Re: [KX3] Band Plans
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There are many FM repeater inputs / outputs above 53 MHz.
73 Ken - K0PP Montana Frequency Coordinator On Aug 21, 2017 9:52 PM, "Hank Greeb [hidden email] [KX3]" < [hidden email]> wrote: Don't know if it is still active, but a few years ago there was a FM repeater output on 53.05 MHz in Cincinnati, OH 72/73 de n8xx Hg QRP >99.44% of the time On 8/21/2017 11:30 PM, Don Wilhelm [hidden email] [KX3] wrote: > I am not certain what you want to hear above 53.000 MHz, but if you contact support with sufficient reason, they can give you a program that will open up the band limits. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/21/2017 10:47 PM, [hidden email] [KX3] wrote: >> G'Day >> How do I alter the Band Plan frequencies in my KX3..?? >> >> I was playing around with the 6 Metre band, when I noticed that once I pass 53.000MHz the radio shows "Band End". But looking through the Band Plans shows that the band extends to 54MHz. __._,_.___ ------------------------------ Posted by: Hank Greeb <[hidden email]> ------------------------------ Reply via web post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/messages/62655;_ylc=X3oDMTJya2IzMzdoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc0NTIwOTQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARtc2dJZAM2MjY1NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MDMzNzM5MjI-?act=reply&messageNum=62655> • Reply to sender <[hidden email]?subject=Re%3A%20%5BKX3%5D%20Band%20Plans> • Reply to group <[hidden email]?subject=Re%3A%20%5BKX3%5D%20Band%20Plans> • Start a New Topic <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZmUxc2E4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc0NTIwOTQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MDMzNzM5MjI-> • Messages in this topic <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/topics/62652;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZDBkcHJ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc0NTIwOTQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARtc2dJZAM2MjY1NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MDMzNzM5MjIEdHBjSWQDNjI2NTI-> (4) ------------------------------ Have you tried the highest rated email app? <https://yho.com/1wwmgg> With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. ------------------------------ Visit Your Group <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb29lYzJpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc0NTIwOTQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE1MDMzNzM5MjI-> - New Members <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnOHJqaGNvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc0NTIwOTQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNTAzMzczOTIy> 10 [image: Yahoo! Groups] <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMXFhdG9wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc0NTIwOTQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTUwMzM3MzkyMg--> • Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> • Unsubscribe <[hidden email]?subject=Unsubscribe> • Terms of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> . __,_._,___ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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It's certainly a strange situation, reaching the "band edge" at 53 MHz. I'll have to admit, I've never tuned up that high in the band to see if I have the same situation with my KX3. I know that there are a number of repeaters here in EPA, and I'm sure some must be using that last MHz of the band. Historically, 6 meter repeaters grew to be popular in this area (near Philly) for mobile FM operation, because there were no over-the-air TV stations on Channel 2, and that would afford a 6 MHz buffer zone between that upper end of 6 meters and the Channel 3 station... a luxury not enjoyed by areas that did have a station on TV Channel 2. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 -----Original Message----- From: Walter Underwood <[hidden email]> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]> Sent: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 12:22 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans The original poster is in Australia. He’d be thrilled to hit a 6 m repeater in Cincinnati, but that might not be his primary use. :-)It appears that VK has permission to use 50-54 MHz, so I’m not sure why that isn’t working. The KX3 will work at 54 MHz. Maybe an e-mail to [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>?http://www.wia.org.au/members/bandplans/data/documents/Background%20-%206%20metres%202014.pdfwunderK6WRUWalter UnderwoodCM87wjhttp://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Yup,
I’ve just checked and my KX3 goes up to 54.000 and no further — but at least it doesn’t stop at 53.000 MHz so it would work fine for the Australian 50 - 54 MHz band plan. Andy > On 22 Aug 2017, at 14:40, Raymond Sills <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > It's certainly a strange situation, reaching the "band edge" at 53 MHz. I'll have to admit, I've never tuned up that high in the band to see if I have the same situation with my KX3. I know that there are a number of repeaters here in EPA, and I'm sure some must be using that last MHz of the band. > Historically, 6 meter repeaters grew to be popular in this area (near Philly) for mobile FM operation, because there were no over-the-air TV stations on Channel 2, and that would afford a 6 MHz buffer zone between that upper end of 6 meters and the Channel 3 station... a luxury not enjoyed by areas that did have a station on TV Channel 2. > > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Underwood <[hidden email]> > To: Elecraft <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 12:22 am > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans > > The original poster is in Australia. He’d be thrilled to hit a 6 m repeater in Cincinnati, but that might not be his primary use. :-)It appears that VK has permission to use 50-54 MHz, so I’m not sure why that isn’t working. The KX3 will work at 54 MHz. Maybe an e-mail to [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>?http://www.wia.org.au/members/bandplans/data/documents/Background%20-%206%20metres%202014.pdfwunderK6WRUWalter UnderwoodCM87wjhttp://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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No problem if you come to Alaska. Most 6m activity is 50 - 50.300,
52.525 and one repeater in Anchorage on 52.81 (51.11 input) which is not usable 100km (65 mi) south of Anchorage using a 24-foot high J-pole (only 20% quieting) and requires over 100w to access. In my opinion 6m ground-wave s**ks when compared with 2m or 222. Anchorage has a 224.94 (223.34) repeater that runs S9 over the same path. Propagation on 222 often exceeds that on 2m (we get frequent inversion layer wx). I run 30w on 222 FM with a new Bridgecom radio (traded my 222-28 transverter since there was no CW/SSB activity). I have a 150w amp on 222 for those that use only a HT and "wet noodle" antenna. 222 is the "overlooked" ham band by mfr's - a real shame! BTW the KX3 works very well on 6m (receive sensitivity with PRE on comparable with my K3+PR6). It drives the KXPA100 just as nicely (even nicer with remote control line using the KXAT100 for mobile HF/6m). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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6M FM mobile operation tends to be less bothered by hill & valley drop out.
We have done extensive testing here in the Washington * DC area using 52, 146, 223 & 449 FM with identical mobile antennas & power out, communicating directly with home stations. A separate wide coverage 220 repeater was used to coordinate the testing. When you are operating purposely with relatively weak signals, as you go up in frequency, the signal loss is much worse when you pop over a hill into a small valley, which may be only a 20 to 50 feet difference in height, where-as the lower freqs seem to "fill-in" better. Admittedly we did not do any testing in a metro environment, where the higher freqs (440?) may yield better coverage due to building reflections. Our testing was performed strictly in open country of Maryland and no. Virginia. 73, Charlie k3ICH * Potomac Area VHF Society, tests done in the early 70's -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:54 AM To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans No problem if you come to Alaska. Most 6m activity is 50 - 50.300, 52.525 and one repeater in Anchorage on 52.81 (51.11 input) which is not usable 100km (65 mi) south of Anchorage using a 24-foot high J-pole (only 20% quieting) and requires over 100w to access. In my opinion 6m ground-wave s**ks when compared with 2m or 222. Anchorage has a 224.94 (223.34) repeater that runs S9 over the same path. Propagation on 222 often exceeds that on 2m (we get frequent inversion layer wx). I run 30w on 222 FM with a new Bridgecom radio (traded my 222-28 transverter since there was no CW/SSB activity). I have a 150w amp on 222 for those that use only a HT and "wet noodle" antenna. 222 is the "overlooked" ham band by mfr's - a real shame! BTW the KX3 works very well on 6m (receive sensitivity with PRE on comparable with my K3+PR6). It drives the KXPA100 just as nicely (even nicer with remote control line using the KXAT100 for mobile HF/6m). 73, Ed - KL7UW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 8/22/2017 9:25 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> When you are operating purposely with relatively weak signals, as you go up > in frequency, the signal loss is much worse when you pop over a hill into a > small valley, which may be only a 20 to 50 feet difference in height, > where-as the lower freqs seem to "fill-in" better. UHF systems were so dominant in "flatland" Chicago that I didn't realize that systems in the low VHF region below 50 MHz existed. When I moved to California, I learned that these low VHF systems are widely used exactly because of this "fill-in" property, so necessary in the mountainous terrain of much of the state. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The Tennessee Highway Patrol still maintains their state wide systems, base & mobile, in the 48/49 MHz range for this reason.
Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> On 8/22/2017 9:25 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >> When you are operating purposely with relatively weak signals, as you go up >> in frequency, the signal loss is much worse when you pop over a hill into a >> small valley, which may be only a 20 to 50 feet difference in height, >> where-as the lower freqs seem to "fill-in" better. > > UHF systems were so dominant in "flatland" Chicago that I didn't realize that systems in the low VHF region below 50 MHz existed. When I moved to California, I learned that these low VHF systems are widely used exactly because of this "fill-in" property, so necessary in the mountainous terrain of much of the state. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 8/22/2017 2:14 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> The California Highway Patrol holds on to their 47 MHz frequencies for the same reason. 42 MHz. Augmented by a whole system of VHF and UHF portables working through in-car repeaters into and out of the 42 MHz network. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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To all who cite how their state police use low-band VHF (30-50 MHz).
Yes, I've heard that touted for years (decades), yet the Alaska Troopers (state police) use high-band VHF (150-175 MHz). Their car-to-car simplex is 155.250 MHz. Only state utility that uses low-band (47-MHz) is the AK DOT. I personally know that they installed a base station in the home of a worker (his wife was KL7UP-sk) perched on a hill overlooking Turnagain arm to provide a link from Anchorage (about 25-miles) to a hwy maint camp 16-miles further up a mountain valley. They now have a hwy repeater near the maint camp others along the Seward Hwy which probably provides hwy coverage. The Seward Hwy+Sterling Hwy "are" the"I-5" of Alaska (not to mean its a freeway - its mostly 2-lane 55mph hwy - but see's highest traffic use in AK). So all I can say about 6m prop from Kenai to Anchorage: low rolling hills and over water is that higher frequencies (222) propagate better (1991- to date experience). Now I return the reflector to normal "Elecraft oriented" use. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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CHP has totally upgraded their system. They use 39,42,44, and 45MHZ
inputs/outputs. Most dispatch comm centers, but not up here in extreme NorCal, repeat the mobiles on the main base dispatch channel. Makes it easier to listen to both sides. They run their extenders in the 700MHZ range using P25 digital. They were supposed to upgrade the whole system to a statewide 700MHZ P25 digital system covering the whole state. But, no money $$$. Imagine that! No more extenders on the old 154.905 freq (was a poor man's radar radar detector!) ;-) When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway Patrol, I know that something is happening on six... Todd KH2TJ Phil Kane wrote: > On 8/22/2017 2:14 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > >> The California Highway Patrol holds on to their 47 MHz frequencies for the same reason. >> > > 42 MHz. Augmented by a whole system of VHF and UHF portables working > through in-car repeaters into and out of the 42 MHz network. > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote:
> When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway > Patrol, I know that something is happening on six... In 1959 at the peak of the sunspot cycle, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department main dispatch was co-channel with the NYPD dispatch channel for the Brooklyn Borough Command (39.58 IIRC). At the time I was a reserve deputy with the LASO and we would generally hear the NYPD calls in the daytime. I had no problem with that because I grew up in Brooklyn and recognized both the accent and the street names! At the time I was still a Tech and had no HF privileges and of course Elecraft was not in existence. Six meters was not in general use in both the LA and the NY areas because TV Channel 2 was in use locally (CBS O&O). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote:
> CHP has totally upgraded their system. They use 39,42,44, and 45MHZ > inputs/outputs. For decades, FCC Rules precluded Low-VHF in-band repeaters so the bases are licensed as FB ("Fixed Base") rather than FB2 ("Mobile Relay"). A difference without a distinction. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Is Russian TV still on 48 or so MHz.? They've probably also gone digital.
I remember listening for that TV picture buzz as an indicator that the MUF was creeping up. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Kane Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:47 PM To: Todd <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Band Plans On 8/23/2017 5:44 PM, Todd wrote: > When I hear statewide CHP comms, or other state low band Highway > Patrol, I know that something is happening on six... In 1959 at the peak of the sunspot cycle, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department main dispatch was co-channel with the NYPD dispatch channel for the Brooklyn Borough Command (39.58 IIRC). At the time I was a reserve deputy with the LASO and we would generally hear the NYPD calls in the daytime. I had no problem with that because I grew up in Brooklyn and recognized both the accent and the street names! At the time I was still a Tech and had no HF privileges and of course Elecraft was not in existence. Six meters was not in general use in both the LA and the NY areas because TV Channel 2 was in use locally (CBS O&O). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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