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James Bennett

Re: KX3 NAP3 & Win4K Off Frequency

Peter,

I've been using my KX3 and NaP3 for several months, although not with Win4k3 - love how I'm able to control the rig from this application in addition to doing a "point & click" to jump to signals I see on the band. However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on "Fixed", then "Run" in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup panel.

Wayne has noted several times that the KX3 firmware will be changed to allow the option of NOT sending a signal out the RX I/Q port but to my knowledge, this has not yet been implemented. I hope it happens soon......... :-)

Jim / W6JHB
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: KX3 NAP3 & Win4K Off Frequency

> However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my
> CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out
> the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up
> the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it
> (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on "Fixed", then
> "Run" in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup
> panel.

Why not expect the developer of NaP3 to fix his software to work with
the way the KX3 operates and mute the input when the IF poll indicates
the rig is in transmit rather than expect Elecraft to modify their
transceiver to work around a problem in one piece of software? Oh, I
forgot - the developer of NaP3 has folded his tent and abandoned the
product.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2014-09-24 12:40 PM, James Bennett wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I've been using my KX3 and NaP3 for several months, although not with
> Win4k3 - love how I'm able to control the rig from this application
> in addition to doing a "point & click" to jump to signals I see on
> the band. However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I
> press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level
> audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level
> messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I
> remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on
> "Fixed", then "Run" in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3
> Configure/Setup panel.
>
> Wayne has noted several times that the KX3 firmware will be changed
> to allow the option of NOT sending a signal out the RX I/Q port but
> to my knowledge, this has not yet been implemented. I hope it happens
> soon......... :-)
>
> Jim / W6JHB
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James Bennett

Re: KX3 NAP3 & Win4K Off Frequency

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Well, yes that might have been an option, especially if the software were something purchased and not a freebie. But, I did discuss it with Wayne via email several months ago and he did say that it was something possible to do. Not everyone necessarily wants audio sent out that pipe on TRANSMIT. Some do, some don't - that's why he planned it to be a menu option.

"...expect Elecraft to modify their transceiver..." I don't expect them to do anything. I simply asked if it could be done, and was told it is on the to-do list. And that's what's great about Elecraft - you can get help here when you need it, and post answers to the reflector in an attempt to assist others who have issues. And still get snarky responses back...

Why not expect the developer of NaP3 to fix his software to work with
the way the KX3 operates and mute the input when the IF poll indicates
the rig is in transmit rather than expect Elecraft to modify their
transceiver to work around a problem in one piece of software? Oh, I
forgot - the developer of NaP3 has folded his tent and abandoned the
product.

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Barry K3NDM

Re: KX3 NAP3 & Win4K Off Frequency

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I think the developer gave up in disgust due to the number of people who
were hitting him with different issues. And, I don't think he was not
getting paid for the level of effort that was required to keep going.

The situation is not good. The product is quite good and is a very
helpful application to have. It works wonders while operating split with
the one receiver I have with the KX3. However, I have heard nothing
about someone wanting to replace the developer or even supporting its
present state.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

On 9/24/2014 1:14 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
>> However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my
>> CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out
>> the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up
>> the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it
>> (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on "Fixed", then
>> "Run" in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup
>> panel.
>
> Why not expect the developer of NaP3 to fix his software to work with
> the way the KX3 operates and mute the input when the IF poll indicates
> the rig is in transmit rather than expect Elecraft to modify their
> transceiver to work around a problem in one piece of software? Oh, I
> forgot - the developer of NaP3 has folded his tent and abandoned the
> product.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-09-24 12:40 PM, James Bennett wrote:
>> Peter,
>>
>> I've been using my KX3 and NaP3 for several months, although not with
>> Win4k3 - love how I'm able to control the rig from this application
>> in addition to doing a "point & click" to jump to signals I see on
>> the band. However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I
>> press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level
>> audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level
>> messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I
>> remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on
>> "Fixed", then "Run" in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3
>> Configure/Setup panel.
>>
>> Wayne has noted several times that the KX3 firmware will be changed
>> to allow the option of NOT sending a signal out the RX I/Q port but
>> to my knowledge, this has not yet been implemented. I hope it happens
>> soon......... :-)
>>
>> Jim / W6JHB
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James Bennett

Re: KX3 NAP3 & Win4K Off Frequency

Barry, I think you are right - he probably gave up. It's unfortunate that he didn't go a different route - perhaps making it a "pay for it" application. I would gladly pay for a product like this to go with my KX3. While I wouldn't have any need for it while camping / backpacking / out in the field, it sure is a super application to use here at home. I run Windows 8.1 under VMware Fusion on a 27" iMac and the display in combination with the operating flexibility are very, very cool.

Anyway, I guess we can end this thread and get on with using our rigs! Now, where did that W1AW/7 in Idaho go on 12 meters......? :-) :-)

73, Jim / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

On Wednesday, Sep 24, 2014, at Wednesday, 3:05 PM, Barry LaZar <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think the developer gave up in disgust due to the number of people who were hitting him with different issues. And, I don't think he was not getting paid for the level of effort that was required to keep going.
>
> The situation is not good. The product is quite good and is a very helpful application to have. It works wonders while operating split with the one receiver I have with the KX3. However, I have heard nothing about someone wanting to replace the developer or even supporting its present state.
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
>
>
>
> On 9/24/2014 1:14 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>>> However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I press my
>>> CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level audio out
>>> the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level messes up
>>> the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I remedy it
>>> (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on "Fixed", then
>>> "Run" in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3 Configure/Setup
>>> panel.
>>
>> Why not expect the developer of NaP3 to fix his software to work with
>> the way the KX3 operates and mute the input when the IF poll indicates
>> the rig is in transmit rather than expect Elecraft to modify their
>> transceiver to work around a problem in one piece of software? Oh, I
>> forgot - the developer of NaP3 has folded his tent and abandoned the
>> product.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2014-09-24 12:40 PM, James Bennett wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> I've been using my KX3 and NaP3 for several months, although not with
>>> Win4k3 - love how I'm able to control the rig from this application
>>> in addition to doing a "point & click" to jump to signals I see on
>>> the band. However, on my computer, NaP3 gets all bollixed up after I
>>> press my CW key, apparently because the KX3 sends it's high-level
>>> audio out the RX I/Q port even during transmit, and this high level
>>> messes up the NaP3 engine, causing duplicated signals to appear. I
>>> remedy it (until the next transmission sequence) by clicking on
>>> "Fixed", then "Run" in the WBIR box on the DSP tab of the NaP3
>>> Configure/Setup panel.
>>>
>>> Wayne has noted several times that the KX3 firmware will be changed
>>> to allow the option of NOT sending a signal out the RX I/Q port but
>>> to my knowledge, this has not yet been implemented. I hope it happens
>>> soon......... :-)
>>>
>>> Jim / W6JHB
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