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Re: Magnetic fields and phase noise

Bob Evans-4
Fraser,

I would also be interested in a solution to magnetic field sensitivity in my
K2/100.  I found that a Radio Shack Optimus speaker placed within 8 inches
of my K2/100 caused distortion on both transmit and receive.  I'm not
technically astute enough to call this "phase noise", I just thought it was
one of those undocumented features similar to beta software product
releases.  I have not seen the distortion problem occur when using my amps
(one Ameritron AL-80B and one Dentron Clipperton L) as Earl, K6SE has, but
they are both a couple of feet from the rig and are not as potent as an
Alpha.  Since I'm not really a QRPer, I simply bought the K2 because it has
such great specs in the areas I was interested in; i.e. close in
selectivity/descernability (I know everyone in the UK cringes when Americans
hammer the Queens English) for contesting.  In fact, I would like to build a
second one to complete my SO2R (Single Op 2 Radio) contest station, but I
would like to raise my comfort level with the magnetic sensitivity issue.

Lastly, as far as the phase noise limited tests shown for a K2 in some of
the published comparisons, I saw a "nice" (meaning = understandable to the
technically challenged such as myself) post on this reflector that described
the K2's design itself as being max'ed out with the phase noise limitation,
so I am not expecting anything further to be done to improve the phase noise
issue.  The K2 handles contest conditions MUCH better than my pair of old
Icom IC-765s and that means I'll probably have to learn to live with an
idiosyncrasy or two in the magnetic field department.

Bob K5WA

K2/100 #4687

 

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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:26:05 +0000

From: "Fraser Robertson" <[hidden email]>

Subject: [Elecraft] magnetic fields and phase noise?

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Interesting Earl, the non exhaustive tests I've done indicate that it is not


due to magnetic fields. But if indeed that is the case, there must be a

relatively easy, if perhaps not elegant, way of significantly improving

this.

Has anyone else investigated this?

73 Fraser G4BJM

>From: Earl W Cunningham <[hidden email]>

>Over a year ago I noticed this problem, which occurs only when my K2 is

>driving my Alpha linear. After extensive testing done by me to determine

>the cause of the problem, is was found to be caused by hum from the

>magnetic field of the linear amplifier's HV transformer getting into the

>PLL circuit of the K2. In my case, 6 feet of separation between the K2

>and the linear was not enough to eliminate the problem, however with 30

>feet of separation (with the K2 and amp in separate rooms) did solve the

>problem. This answer is unacceptable, of course.

 

Bob Evans
(713) 937-9013

 
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Re: Re: Magnetic fields and phase noise

Stuart Rohre
Bob,

Putting a large speaker magnet near any tuned circuit creates a large
magnetic field that can affect the tuned circuit.  The effect of your large
speaker is common upon many radios.  This even affects toroid circuits such
as those in the K2.

-Stuart
K5KVH



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