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NH7RO

Re: New P3 "meters"

Very excited about the new P3 features soon to debut; one of the things I miss the most in my K3 is a good old-fashioned analog S-meter. Now it will be like my earlier radio/audio days with these bouncing needle analogue displays to watch! I am sure this feature will be worth whatever small wait we might have to endure.

Just wondering, will these S/SWR meters display side-by-side (simultaneously) or will they be switched in/out as need be?

Will they resemble the beautiful Icom 7800 VU-type metering display, by any chance?

Hope that Wayne or Eric or anyone in the know at Elecraft can take a moment to answer these questions; meanwhile I'm already setting aside some extra $$ come "P3 upgrade ordering day."

My hat is off to Elecraft once again; thank you for the good news!

73,

Jeff, NH7RO

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Re: New P3 "meters"

This thread is no good without pics! When are we gonna see it?

George NE2I

On Apr 20, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jeff Cathrow <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Very excited about the new P3 features soon to debut; one of the things I miss the most in my K3 is a good old-fashioned analog S-meter. Now it will be like my earlier radio/audio days with these bouncing needle analogue displays to watch! I am sure this feature will be worth whatever small wait we might have to endure.
>
> Just wondering, will these S/SWR meters display side-by-side (simultaneously) or will they be switched in/out as need be?
>
> Will they resemble the beautiful Icom 7800 VU-type metering display, by any chance?
>
> Hope that Wayne or Eric or anyone in the know at Elecraft can take a moment to answer these questions; meanwhile I'm already setting aside some extra $$ come "P3 upgrade ordering day."
>
> My hat is off to Elecraft once again; thank you for the good news!
>
> 73,
>
> Jeff, NH7RO
>
> K3-P3-KPA500 (my modular K4)
>
>
>
>
>
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Harlan Sherriff

Re: New P3 "meters"

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Wayne said earlier photos would be forthcoming.
Harlan
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This thread is no good without pics! When are we gonna see it?

George NE2I

On Apr 20, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jeff Cathrow <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Alan Bloom-2

Re: New P3 "meters"

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We're not done arguing about how the meters should look yet.

:=)

Alan N1AL

On 04/20/2015 04:05 PM, George via Elecraft wrote:

>
> This thread is no good without pics! When are we gonna see it?
>
> George NE2I
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jeff Cathrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Very excited about the new P3 features soon to debut; one of the things I miss the most in my K3 is a good old-fashioned analog S-meter. Now it will be like my earlier radio/audio days with these bouncing needle analogue displays to watch! I am sure this feature will be worth whatever small wait we might have to endure.
>>
>> Just wondering, will these S/SWR meters display side-by-side (simultaneously) or will they be switched in/out as need be?
>>
>> Will they resemble the beautiful Icom 7800 VU-type metering display, by any chance?
>>
>> Hope that Wayne or Eric or anyone in the know at Elecraft can take a moment to answer these questions; meanwhile I'm already setting aside some extra $$ come "P3 upgrade ordering day."
>>
>> My hat is off to Elecraft once again; thank you for the good news!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Jeff, NH7RO
>>
>> K3-P3-KPA500 (my modular K4)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: New P3 "meters"

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Keep in mind that the digital meters (they can be designed to look like
the curved analog meters) will show peaks much better than real analog
meters.
Other than nostalgia about the old analog meters, I do not see any
advantage over the bargraph type displays.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/20/2015 6:07 PM, Jeff Cathrow wrote:
> Very excited about the new P3 features soon to debut; one of the things I miss the most in my K3 is a good old-fashioned analog S-meter. Now it will be like my earlier radio/audio days with these bouncing needle analogue displays to watch! I am sure this feature will be worth whatever small wait we might have to endure.
>
> Just wondering, will these S/SWR meters display side-by-side (simultaneously) or will they be switched in/out as need be?
>
> Will they resemble the beautiful Icom 7800 VU-type metering display, by any chance?
>
>

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N5GE

Re: New P3 "meters"

The Yaesu FTdx1200 that I bought for MARS use allows viewing the S
meter both ways. I bought it for MARS so I could communicate on the
entire MARS spectrum.

I still have both of my K3's, which I use for Amateur band operation
and yes I still think they are better than anything I have ever used.

The new capabilities of the P3 sound promising.

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:52:24 -0400, you wrote:

>Keep in mind that the digital meters (they can be designed to look like
>the curved analog meters) will show peaks much better than real analog
>meters.
>Other than nostalgia about the old analog meters, I do not see any
>advantage over the bargraph type displays.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 4/20/2015 6:07 PM, Jeff Cathrow wrote:
>> Very excited about the new P3 features soon to debut; one of the things I miss the most in my K3 is a good old-fashioned analog S-meter. Now it will be like my earlier radio/audio days with these bouncing needle analogue displays to watch! I am sure this feature will be worth whatever small wait we might have to endure.
>>
>> Just wondering, will these S/SWR meters display side-by-side (simultaneously) or will they be switched in/out as need be?
>>
>> Will they resemble the beautiful Icom 7800 VU-type metering display, by any chance?
>>
>>
>
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NK7Z

Re: New P3 "meters"

I use my K3 for MARS... Why did you need a different rig?
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On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 20:27 -0500, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:

> The Yaesu FTdx1200 that I bought for MARS use allows viewing the S
> meter both ways. I bought it for MARS so I could communicate on the
> entire MARS spectrum.
>
> I still have both of my K3's, which I use for Amateur band operation
> and yes I still think they are better than anything I have ever used.
>
> The new capabilities of the P3 sound promising.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:52:24 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Keep in mind that the digital meters (they can be designed to look like
> >the curved analog meters) will show peaks much better than real analog
> >meters.
> >Other than nostalgia about the old analog meters, I do not see any
> >advantage over the bargraph type displays.
> >
> >73,
> >Don W3FPR
> >
> >On 4/20/2015 6:07 PM, Jeff Cathrow wrote:
> >> Very excited about the new P3 features soon to debut; one of the things I miss the most in my K3 is a good old-fashioned analog S-meter. Now it will be like my earlier radio/audio days with these bouncing needle analogue displays to watch! I am sure this feature will be worth whatever small wait we might have to endure.
> >>
> >> Just wondering, will these S/SWR meters display side-by-side (simultaneously) or will they be switched in/out as need be?
> >>
> >> Will they resemble the beautiful Icom 7800 VU-type metering display, by any chance?
> >>
> >>
> >
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David Olean

Re: New P3 "meters"

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Alan,
The only complaint that I have about my K3s is the darn S-meter chicklet
display that is basically worthless to me as it does not show small changes
in signal strength. I am an antenna phreak and like to experiment and
compare antenna options. I am on ten meters and have six yagis at different
heights and combinations. 160 has six choices. On six meters I have four
yagis in various combinations. (don't ask how many antennas I use on 144
MHz!) With the 6 dB LEDs on the K3, any comparison between antennas is
pretty meaningless oftentimes. I found a neat software package that gives me
a much more sensitive signal level meter, but it uses the serial port so it
interferes with computer logging etc. Anything that will show fine detail in
signal strength will be a Godsend for me. I loved my old analog S meter on
my Ten Tec rigs. It was so valuable in such mundane things as tracking down
power line noise with my very directional 144 MHz antenna. I could locate
noise 3 miles away to almost the correct pole just from my shack! With the
K3, I have lost that capability entirely as the chicklets do not change
unless it sees a huge change in strength. Calling the power company to fix
noise is a full time job here. Of course, for casual operating and
contesting, the green chicklet display is fine. If Elecraft solves my
S-meter problem, I will definitely become a true blue Kool-Aid drinker.

Dave K1WHS
ps. I have had thought about digging into the K3 rx circuit to install an
outboard analog S-meter. I am getting desperate!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Bloom" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New P3 "meters"

> We're not done arguing about how the meters should look yet.
>
> :=)
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 04/20/2015 04:05 PM, George via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>> This thread is no good without pics! When are we gonna see it?
>>
>> George NE2I
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Jeff Cathrow
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Very excited about the new P3 features soon to debut; one of the things
>>> I miss the most in my K3 is a good old-fashioned analog S-meter. Now it
>>> will be like my earlier radio/audio days with these bouncing needle
>>> analogue displays to watch! I am sure this feature will be worth
>>> whatever small wait we might have to endure.
>>>
>>> Just wondering, will these S/SWR meters display side-by-side
>>> (simultaneously) or will they be switched in/out as need be?
>>>
>>> Will they resemble the beautiful Icom 7800 VU-type metering display, by
>>> any chance?
>>>
>>> Hope that Wayne or Eric or anyone in the know at Elecraft can take a
>>> moment to answer these questions; meanwhile I'm already setting aside
>>> some extra $$ come "P3 upgrade ordering day."
>>>
>>> My hat is off to Elecraft once again; thank you for the good news!
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Jeff, NH7RO
>>>
>>> K3-P3-KPA500 (my modular K4)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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dmb@lightstream.net

Re: New P3 "meters"

Dave,

You must not have a P3. It's a far better tool for evaluating the rf
environment than an s-meter; analogue or not. In addition to having
significantly greater amplitude resolution, you can simultaneously see the
nature of the signal spectrum you're trying to evaluate. I do a lot of
experimenting with receive-only antennas, and can't imagine trying to make
evaluations without the P3.

We have power line noise issues here too, and I use the K3/P3 along with
my rotator and few yagis covering the range from 20m to 2m, to pinpoint
the location, and then take the P3, a battery and small loop antenna in
that direction until I find the source (which I always do).

Then after half a dozen phone calls to the power company and 3 to 6
months, the issue is (usually) resolved.

73, Dale
WA8SRA

> Alan,
> The only complaint that I have about my K3s is the darn S-meter
> chicklet
> display that is basically worthless to me as it does not show small
> changes
> in signal strength. I am an antenna phreak and like to experiment and
> compare antenna options. I am on ten meters and have six yagis at
> different
> heights and combinations. 160 has six choices. On six meters I have four
> yagis in various combinations. (don't ask how many antennas I use on 144
> MHz!) With the 6 dB LEDs on the K3, any comparison between antennas is
> pretty meaningless oftentimes. I found a neat software package that gives
> me
> a much more sensitive signal level meter, but it uses the serial port so
> it
> interferes with computer logging etc. Anything that will show fine detail
> in
> signal strength will be a Godsend for me. I loved my old analog S meter on
> my Ten Tec rigs. It was so valuable in such mundane things as tracking
> down
> power line noise with my very directional 144 MHz antenna. I could locate
> noise 3 miles away to almost the correct pole just from my shack! With the
> K3, I have lost that capability entirely as the chicklets do not change
> unless it sees a huge change in strength. Calling the power company to fix
> noise is a full time job here. Of course, for casual operating and
> contesting, the green chicklet display is fine. If Elecraft solves my
> S-meter problem, I will definitely become a true blue Kool-Aid drinker.
>
> Dave K1WHS
> ps. I have had thought about digging into the K3 rx circuit to install an
> outboard analog S-meter. I am getting desperate!

W4GRJ

Re: New P3 "meters"

In reply to this post by NK7Z

Cannot transmit from around 7.5mhz to 8.7Mhz
I use a FT857 for this.
Jack
W4GRJ/AFA4DG

On Apr 21, 2015, at 12:22 AM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

I use my K3 for MARS... Why did you need a different rig?
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Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info

> On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 20:27 -0500, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:
> The Yaesu FTdx1200 that I bought for MARS use allows viewing the S
> meter both ways. I bought it for MARS so I could communicate on the
> entire MARS spectrum.
>
> I still have both of my K3's, which I use for Amateur band operation
> and yes I still think they are better than anything I have ever used.
>
> The new capabilities of the P3 sound promising.
>
>
>
>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:52:24 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> Keep in mind that the digital meters (they can be designed to look like
>> the curved analog meters) will show peaks much better than real analog
>> meters.
>> Other than nostalgia about the old analog meters, I do not see any
>> advantage over the bargraph type displays.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 4/20/2015 6:07 PM, Jeff Cathrow wrote:
>>> Very excited about the new P3 features soon to debut; one of the things I miss the most in my K3 is a good old-fashioned analog S-meter. Now it will be like my earlier radio/audio days with these bouncing needle analogue displays to watch! I am sure this feature will be worth whatever small wait we might have to endure.
>>>
>>> Just wondering, will these S/SWR meters display side-by-side (simultaneously) or will they be switched in/out as need be?
>>>
>>> Will they resemble the beautiful Icom 7800 VU-type metering display, by any chance?
>>
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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: New P3 "meters"

This is due to the 8.4 MHz first IF and the narrow roofing filters, which
makes possible so many of the K3's excellent close frequency performance
attributes.

The 8.4 drops in between the 4" and 30
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015, W4GRJ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Cannot transmit from around 7.5mhz to 8.7Mhz
> I use a FT857 for this.
> Jack
> W4GRJ/AFA4DG
>
> On Apr 21, 2015, at 12:22 AM, David Cole <[hidden email] <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> I use my K3 for MARS... Why did you need a different rig?
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
> > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 20:27 -0500, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote:
> > The Yaesu FTdx1200 that I bought for MARS use allows viewing the S
> > meter both ways. I bought it for MARS so I could communicate on the
> > entire MARS spectrum.
> >
> > I still have both of my K3's, which I use for Amateur band operation
> > and yes I still think they are better than anything I have ever used.
> >
> > The new capabilities of the P3 sound promising.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:52:24 -0400, you wrote:
> >>
> >> Keep in mind that the digital meters (they can be designed to look like
> >> the curved analog meters) will show peaks much better than real analog
> >> meters.
> >> Other than nostalgia about the old analog meters, I do not see any
> >> advantage over the bargraph type displays.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Don W3FPR
> >>
> >>> On 4/20/2015 6:07 PM, Jeff Cathrow wrote:
> >>> Very excited about the new P3 features soon to debut; one of the
> things I miss the most in my K3 is a good old-fashioned analog S-meter.
> Now it will be like my earlier radio/audio days with these bouncing needle
> analogue displays to watch! I am sure this feature will be worth whatever
> small wait we might have to endure.
> >>>
> >>> Just wondering, will these S/SWR meters display side-by-side
> (simultaneously) or will they be switched in/out as need be?
> >>>
> >>> Will they resemble the beautiful Icom 7800 VU-type metering display,
> by any chance?
> >>
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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: New P3 "meters"

This due to the K3's 8.4 MHz first IF and the narrow roofing filters, which
makes possible so many of the K3's excellent close frequency performance
attributes.

The 8.4 handily drops in between the 40 and 30 meter bands.
>
>
73, Guy

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Re: New P3 "meters"

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Dave,

Thank you for asking.

Because the K3, due to it's IF frequency will not access all of the
MARS frequencies, and also because the K3 is designed (on purpose) not
to work on 27 Mhz at all. There are MARS frequency designators that
fall within the 11 meter band. Since a lot of my MARS activities
involve pactor message traffic I need to be able to access all MARS
frequencies, including 27 Mhz.

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:22:02 -0700, you wrote:

>I use my K3 for MARS... Why did you need a different rig?

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Re: New P3 "meters"

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Have you looked at S Meter Lite Software?

http://www.seed-solutions.com/gregordy/Software/SMeterLite.htm

I've used it with a 2nd CAT port in microHAM Router, which I use with my
microKEYER II.

73, Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----

Alan,
The only complaint that I have about my K3s is the darn S-meter chicklet
display that is basically worthless to me as it does not show small changes
in signal strength. I am an antenna phreak and like to experiment and
compare antenna options. I am on ten meters and have six yagis at different
heights and combinations. 160 has six choices. On six meters I have four
yagis in various combinations. (don't ask how many antennas I use on 144
MHz!) With the 6 dB LEDs on the K3, any comparison between antennas is
pretty meaningless oftentimes. I found a neat software package that gives me
a much more sensitive signal level meter, but it uses the serial port so it
interferes with computer logging etc. Anything that will show fine detail in
signal strength will be a Godsend for me. I loved my old analog S meter on
my Ten Tec rigs. It was so valuable in such mundane things as tracking down
power line noise with my very directional 144 MHz antenna. I could locate
noise 3 miles away to almost the correct pole just from my shack! With the
K3, I have lost that capability entirely as the chicklets do not change
unless it sees a huge change in strength. Calling the power company to fix
noise is a full time job here. Of course, for casual operating and
contesting, the green chicklet display is fine. If Elecraft solves my
S-meter problem, I will definitely become a true blue Kool-Aid drinker.

Dave K1WHS
ps. I have had thought about digging into the K3 rx circuit to install an
outboard analog S-meter. I am getting desperate!

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Re: New P3 "meters"

I have a brief review of S-Meter lite with screenshots at:
http://nk7z.net/review-of-s-meter-lite/

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On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 10:28 -0500, Jim N7US wrote:

> Have you looked at S Meter Lite Software?
>
> http://www.seed-solutions.com/gregordy/Software/SMeterLite.htm
>
> I've used it with a 2nd CAT port in microHAM Router, which I use with my
> microKEYER II.
>
> 73, Jim N7US
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Alan,
> The only complaint that I have about my K3s is the darn S-meter chicklet
> display that is basically worthless to me as it does not show small changes
> in signal strength. I am an antenna phreak and like to experiment and
> compare antenna options. I am on ten meters and have six yagis at different
> heights and combinations. 160 has six choices. On six meters I have four
> yagis in various combinations. (don't ask how many antennas I use on 144
> MHz!) With the 6 dB LEDs on the K3, any comparison between antennas is
> pretty meaningless oftentimes. I found a neat software package that gives me
> a much more sensitive signal level meter, but it uses the serial port so it
> interferes with computer logging etc. Anything that will show fine detail in
> signal strength will be a Godsend for me. I loved my old analog S meter on
> my Ten Tec rigs. It was so valuable in such mundane things as tracking down
> power line noise with my very directional 144 MHz antenna. I could locate
> noise 3 miles away to almost the correct pole just from my shack! With the
> K3, I have lost that capability entirely as the chicklets do not change
> unless it sees a huge change in strength. Calling the power company to fix
> noise is a full time job here. Of course, for casual operating and
> contesting, the green chicklet display is fine. If Elecraft solves my
> S-meter problem, I will definitely become a true blue Kool-Aid drinker.
>
> Dave K1WHS
> ps. I have had thought about digging into the K3 rx circuit to install an
> outboard analog S-meter. I am getting desperate!
>
>
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Re: New P3 "meters"

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Don and the group;

I realize that digital meters will always be more accurate than the old analogue type; my excitement is due primarily to a combination of nostalgia and aesthetics. As a lifelong professional photographer and lapidary artist I have always been a very visually oriented person; aesthetics come into play all the time for me. Now becoming an old fart, nostalgia is another important part of my daily life, too.

Alan mentioned that he and the design team are still arguing about the display---and while I now expect that (as form generally follows function with all things Elecraft) it will be a bar-graph type for the power and SWR---I will continue to hold out hope for something akin to the curved Icom 7800 type. My fingers are tightly crossed and cable tied for good measure.

Probably too much to ask but if the display had both types that could be switched that would make everyone happy. I have a Behringer audio processor that has exactly that kind of changeable display---bar graph or VU at the press of a button.

I also wish to thank Wayne for the info sent yesterday and regardless of how the new feature materializes I look forward to the official release and order date whenever it happens (I don't mind waiting for anything from Elecraft---it is always worth it!)

73,

Jeff NH7RO

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Re: New P3 "meters"

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Hi All,

Dave, K1HWS, was lamenting the lack of an analog S meter. This probably
isn't the answer he was looking for, and may be no answer at all---but LDG
made/makes an analog S meter specifically for some of the Yaesu rigs
(897/857). Wouldn't something like that be a possibility? Maybe even that
unit itself, subject to some modification perhaps? I assume you could tap
in at an appropriate point just like they do on the Yaesus.

I still have my LDG S meter, although I sold the 897. It was kind of cool
to see analog instead of LED bars. I don't know how accurate the thing is,
but it was the kind of item you could make some comparisons between, audio
vs. visual, and make whatever adjustment you felt was appropriate based on
what you were hearing. If you put a signal generator on, I suspect you
could calibrate the meter pretty accurately.

I know this isn't as elegant as what folks probably want, but since Elecraft
has indicated they aren't contemplating a mod like this, maybe it would be a
work-around for those who feel particularly deprived.

Dave W7AQK

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: New P3 "meters"

There is already a high resolution "S-Meter" on the P3.
It is the amplitude of the signal display. It can be set to read either
S-Units or dBm, and it can be calibrated.
For comparison measurements, such as between two or more antennas, the
relative amplitude is sufficient and there is no real need for precise
calibration.

There is also a feature on the K3 that will do relative measurements for
you - the Alternate VFO B display of AFV gives the true RMS voltage of
the K3 AF (without regard for the AF Gain setting) and the dBV will
indicate the relative deviation from that AFV setting.

I know that will not satisfy those who are seeking something that is
curved and looks more like the S-meter on boatanchor rigs, but there are
software implementations for those who desire such a display.

73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: New P3 "meters"

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Hello Jim,
Yes that is the software that I have running on my laptop. It works really
well. I tried the dBv feature on the K3 DISPLAY button, and that does not
work well at all for rapidly varying signals. My brain can't process it all.
A steady signal is much better, but there are very few steady signals on the
bands when I want to check antenna levels. I can adjust the P3 for a
limited scale of say 30 dB, so I can see changes there, but then there is
the problem of signals going up out of sight on the screen. I tried it today
on ten meters. Lacking a good analog meter, having a P3 seems to be the best
choice now for what I need.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
Dave K1WHS
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From: "Jim N7US" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Dave Olean'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New P3 "meters"

> Have you looked at S Meter Lite Software?
>
> http://www.seed-solutions.com/gregordy/Software/SMeterLite.htm
>
> I've used it with a 2nd CAT port in microHAM Router, which I use with my
> microKEYER II.
>
> 73, Jim N7US
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Alan,
> The only complaint that I have about my K3s is the darn S-meter
> chicklet
> display that is basically worthless to me as it does not show small
> changes
> in signal strength. I am an antenna phreak and like to experiment and
> compare antenna options. I am on ten meters and have six yagis at
> different
> heights and combinations. 160 has six choices. On six meters I have four
> yagis in various combinations. (don't ask how many antennas I use on 144
> MHz!) With the 6 dB LEDs on the K3, any comparison between antennas is
> pretty meaningless oftentimes. I found a neat software package that gives
> me
> a much more sensitive signal level meter, but it uses the serial port so
> it
> interferes with computer logging etc. Anything that will show fine detail
> in
> signal strength will be a Godsend for me. I loved my old analog S meter on
> my Ten Tec rigs. It was so valuable in such mundane things as tracking
> down
> power line noise with my very directional 144 MHz antenna. I could locate
> noise 3 miles away to almost the correct pole just from my shack! With the
> K3, I have lost that capability entirely as the chicklets do not change
> unless it sees a huge change in strength. Calling the power company to fix
> noise is a full time job here. Of course, for casual operating and
> contesting, the green chicklet display is fine. If Elecraft solves my
> S-meter problem, I will definitely become a true blue Kool-Aid drinker.
>
> Dave K1WHS
> ps. I have had thought about digging into the K3 rx circuit to install an
> outboard analog S-meter. I am getting desperate!
>
>

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: New P3 "meters"

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On 2015-04-21 9:18 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> This due to the K3's 8.4 MHz first IF and the narrow roofing filters,

8.215 MHz (nominal) not 8.4 MHz ...

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-04-21 9:18 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

> This due to the K3's 8.4 MHz first IF and the narrow roofing filters, which
> makes possible so many of the K3's excellent close frequency performance
> attributes.
>
> The 8.4 handily drops in between the 40 and 30 meter bands.
>>
>>
> 73, Guy
>
>