Re: O.T. Learning Morse Code

[W7CS]

A bit of "Believe It Or Not".

As a very young 17 year old, and couple of years after I was first
licensed, I was approached by a LT in the local Naval Reserve and
asked if I wouldn't like to join his unit.  After a hesitation on my
part, he explained that he needed someone to each his Radiomen the
Morse code and theory.  After more hesitation, he proposed that he
could enlist me at an above the entry level rate, and as a 3rd Class
Petty Officer.  I really was not familiar with Navy enlisted ranking,
but it sounded better than as a Seaman.  So I accepted.

I was tasked teaching much older(>17) and lower ranked Radiomen,
Morse code, via using a typewriter for copying.  It was a learning
experience for me, as I found this method much easier to learn, than
by writing down the words and messages by hand.  It seemed as if the
code characters went directly from the ears to the typing fingers,
totally bypassing any pondering in the brain.

Chuck,  W7CS

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[Phil Hystad-3]

During my Novice years back in the mid-1960s, I was operating regularly from my home
QTH during summer vacation.  My neighbor who was a former Navy radioman wanted to
try out some operating.  I had a J-38 straight key for sending and at that time I was
head copy (mostly) at up to 20 wpm.

So, we found a station sending about 10 to 15 and my neighbor couldn't copy.  He asked for a typewriter.
I went into the closet and got the old manual typewriter and set it on the desk.  He was
in fat city and copying everything sent.  He could NOT copy without that typewriter.  I mean
not at all.

73, phil, K7PEH


On May 31, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Chuck Smallhouse <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A bit of "Believe It Or Not".
>
> As a very young 17 year old, and couple of years after I was first licensed, I was approached by a LT in the local Naval Reserve and asked if I wouldn't like to join his unit.  After a hesitation on my part, he explained that he needed someone to each his Radiomen the Morse code and theory.  After more hesitation, he proposed that he could enlist me at an above the entry level rate, and as a 3rd Class Petty Officer.  I really was not familiar with Navy enlisted ranking, but it sounded better than as a Seaman.  So I accepted.
>
> I was tasked teaching much older(>17) and lower ranked Radiomen, Morse code, via using a typewriter for copying.  It was a learning experience for me, as I found this method much easier to learn, than by writing down the words and messages by hand.  It seemed as if the code characters went directly from the ears to the typing fingers, totally bypassing any pondering in the brain.
>
> Chuck,  W7CS
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You are right Chuck, this is true, many will verify it.  If I'm writing
it down, the translation path is <hear sound><know letter/number [or
maybe word]><recall shape of written character[s]><write character[s]>.
  With a mill, it's <hear sounds><move fingers>.

I think it's that <recall ...> step that breaks the continuous copying
process, it requires thinking, and if you learned on a mill, or have
used a mill a lot, you're not used to doing any thinking.  When I was at
the coastal marine station so many years ago, my mind would wander while
in traffic with a ship ... OK, I was 16, 16-yr old minds wander a lot.
:-)  But, it's just evidence that I wasn't thinking about what I was copying

Copying on a mill, and to a large extent on a keyboard, I have no idea
what I copied when I'm done, without reading it, it's muscle-memory and
it did not go through my alleged brain.  I'm not a musician, but my
brother is [however, he makes his living writing software :-)] and he
tells me playing the piano is basically muscle memory ... <see
notes><move fingers>.

It goes a bit beyond that however, there is a distinct difference
between a mill and a computer keyboard for most.  I can type faster
[from hard copy text] on a desktop keyboard than I can on a mill.
However, I can copy Morse [groups or text] faster on a mill than than
that same keyboard.  On a mill, I'm good for 30-35 WPM.  On a standard
sized desktop keyboard, 30 is tops and will have typos.  On a laptop or
other smaller keyboard, I sort of top out at 20-25 ... or less depending
on the keyboard.

I really don't *know* why, but I suspect that the longer key travel
forces a rhythm that syncs with the Morse.  The worst of all keyboards
to touch type on are the flat-panel ones with no key travel.

Just in case there are any out there looking for a CW Elmer, the CWOps
group runs an international CW Academy.  They use a well proved
methodology, a free video-conferencing program with competent
instructors, flexible schedules, and there's lots of on-air support from
the members on the 3 CWT's each Wednesday.  cwops.org  There is usually
a waiting list but it goes fast.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 5/31/2014 4:08 PM, Chuck Smallhouse wrote:

> I was tasked teaching much older(>17) and lower ranked Radiomen, Morse
> code, via using a typewriter for copying.  It was a learning experience
> for me, as I found this method much easier to learn, than by writing
> down the words and messages by hand.  It seemed as if the code
> characters went directly from the ears to the typing fingers, totally
> bypassing any pondering in the brain.


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I had to learn to copy at least three times.  First, I memorized the code from the Boy Scout Handbook with dots and dashes.  That was good for about 5 wpm.  Then I learned to copy with block printing and that worked well to almost 20, but I could not get there.  I had to learn to copy with cursive to get the extra back when you had to get a minute perfect copy for the examiner.  I am still working on head copy but for some reason I have to hold a pencil and make marks that even I can't read most of the words to copy.  Finding a mill that works well is a challenge these days.  The ships that I have worked on have several mills sitting around frozen up, but none that work well.  I don't think there are any typewriter repairmen left around to rework a mill.
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart


On Saturday, May 31, 2014 7:25 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
 


You are right Chuck, this is true, many will verify it.  If I'm writing
it down, the translation path is <hear sound><know letter/number [or
maybe word]><recall shape of written character[s]><write character[s]>.
  With a mill, it's <hear sounds><move fingers>.

I think it's that <recall ...> step that breaks the continuous copying
process, it requires thinking, and if you learned on a mill, or have
used a mill a lot, you're not used to doing any thinking.  When I was at
the coastal marine station so many years ago, my mind would wander while
in traffic with a ship ... OK, I was 16, 16-yr old minds wander a lot.
:-)  But, it's just evidence that I wasn't thinking about what I was copying

Copying on a mill, and to a large extent on a keyboard, I have no idea
what I copied when I'm done, without reading it, it's muscle-memory and
it did not go through my alleged brain.  I'm not a musician, but my
brother is [however, he makes his living writing software :-)] and he
tells me playing the piano is basically muscle memory ... <see
notes><move fingers>.

It goes a bit beyond that however, there is a distinct difference
between a mill and a computer keyboard for most.  I can type faster
[from hard copy text] on a desktop keyboard than I can on a mill.
However, I can copy Morse [groups or text] faster on a mill than than
that same keyboard.  On a mill, I'm good for 30-35 WPM.  On a standard
sized desktop keyboard, 30 is tops and will have typos.  On a laptop or
other smaller keyboard, I sort of top out at 20-25 ... or less depending
on the keyboard.

I really don't *know* why, but I suspect that the longer key travel
forces a rhythm that syncs with the Morse.  The worst of all keyboards
to touch type on are the flat-panel ones with no key travel.

Just in case there are any out there looking for a CW Elmer, the CWOps
group runs an international CW Academy.  They use a well proved
methodology, a free video-conferencing program with competent
instructors, flexible schedules, and there's lots of on-air support from
the members on the 3 CWT's each Wednesday.  cwops.org  There is usually
a waiting list but it goes fast.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org


On 5/31/2014 4:08 PM, Chuck Smallhouse wrote:

> I was tasked teaching much older(>17) and lower ranked Radiomen, Morse
> code, via using a typewriter for copying.  It was a learning experience
> for me, as I found this method much easier to learn, than by writing
> down the words and messages by hand.  It seemed as if the code
> characters went directly from the ears to the typing fingers, totally
> bypassing any pondering in the brain.


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I'm surprised to learn that there is at least one other living human
being that knows what an APL golfball is.  The Selectric was a great
machine. I only ever used it as a terminal - but it sure had a pleasant
keyboard.

I don't work nearly as much cw as I would like to.  I've always had some
kind of mental block.  I just can't seem to recognize characters fast
enough, no matter how many hours (100's)  I've spent just copying code.  
On a good day I can maybe get to 15 wpm. Mostly, in a QSO, I'm more like
12 wpm.

My father could copy 25 WPM in his head like someone was talking to him
on the phone.  Whatever genes he had that enabled that, he certainly
didn't pass them on to me.

Doug -- K0DXV


On 05/31/2014 10:02 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

> Should be able to find a typewriter in fine working condition here:
>
> http://www.losaltosbusinessmachines.com/
>
> My all time favorite typewriter is an IBM Correcting Selectric II. An APL golfball would be icing on the cake.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
>
> On May 31, 2014, at 8:26 PM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I had to learn to copy at least three times.  First, I memorized the code from the Boy Scout Handbook with dots and dashes.  That was good for about 5 wpm.  Then I learned to copy with block printing and that worked well to almost 20, but I could not get there.  I had to learn to copy with cursive to get the extra back when you had to get a minute perfect copy for the examiner.  I am still working on head copy but for some reason I have to hold a pencil and make marks that even I can't read most of the words to copy.  Finding a mill that works well is a challenge these days.  The ships that I have worked on have several mills sitting around frozen up, but none that work well.  I don't think there are any typewriter repairmen left around to rework a mill.
>>  
>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
>> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 31, 2014 7:25 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> You are right Chuck, this is true, many will verify it.  If I'm writing
>> it down, the translation path is <hear sound><know letter/number [or
>> maybe word]><recall shape of written character[s]><write character[s]>.
>>    With a mill, it's <hear sounds><move fingers>.
>>
>> I think it's that <recall ...> step that breaks the continuous copying
>> process, it requires thinking, and if you learned on a mill, or have
>> used a mill a lot, you're not used to doing any thinking.  When I was at
>> the coastal marine station so many years ago, my mind would wander while
>> in traffic with a ship ... OK, I was 16, 16-yr old minds wander a lot.
>> :-)  But, it's just evidence that I wasn't thinking about what I was copying
>>
>> Copying on a mill, and to a large extent on a keyboard, I have no idea
>> what I copied when I'm done, without reading it, it's muscle-memory and
>> it did not go through my alleged brain.  I'm not a musician, but my
>> brother is [however, he makes his living writing software :-)] and he
>> tells me playing the piano is basically muscle memory ... <see
>> notes><move fingers>.
>>
>> It goes a bit beyond that however, there is a distinct difference
>> between a mill and a computer keyboard for most.  I can type faster
>> [from hard copy text] on a desktop keyboard than I can on a mill.
>> However, I can copy Morse [groups or text] faster on a mill than than
>> that same keyboard.  On a mill, I'm good for 30-35 WPM.  On a standard
>> sized desktop keyboard, 30 is tops and will have typos.  On a laptop or
>> other smaller keyboard, I sort of top out at 20-25 ... or less depending
>> on the keyboard.
>>
>> I really don't *know* why, but I suspect that the longer key travel
>> forces a rhythm that syncs with the Morse.  The worst of all keyboards
>> to touch type on are the flat-panel ones with no key travel.
>>
>> Just in case there are any out there looking for a CW Elmer, the CWOps
>> group runs an international CW Academy.  They use a well proved
>> methodology, a free video-conferencing program with competent
>> instructors, flexible schedules, and there's lots of on-air support from
>> the members on the 3 CWT's each Wednesday.  cwops.org  There is usually
>> a waiting list but it goes fast.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/2014 4:08 PM, Chuck Smallhouse wrote:
>>
>>> I was tasked teaching much older(>17) and lower ranked Radiomen, Morse
>>> code, via using a typewriter for copying.  It was a learning experience
>>> for me, as I found this method much easier to learn, than by writing
>>> down the words and messages by hand.  It seemed as if the code
>>> characters went directly from the ears to the typing fingers, totally
>>> bypassing any pondering in the brain.
>>
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Of all the programming languages whose demise and disappearance I
lament, I lament the demise and disappearance of APL the least.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 6/1/2014 8:15 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> I'm surprised to learn that there is at least one other living human
> being that knows what an APL golfball is.

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A final comment to the issue of keyboard vs mill.  I find that the keyboard tactile feel is not as good as a old hard mechanical mill.  Albeit you need more pressure to complete the stroke, but it is positive.  Something like the feedback sound of the paper being hit.  I think mainly because I learned to type on a mill decades ago, hi.  But here is one thing I will comment on, when typing at high speed on a teletype machine you can get to the point of going fast enough to actually feel the actuator riding over the cam...  Quite a sensation at the limit of the machine, 60 wpm as I recall.  

Mel, K6KBE



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 11:40 AM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
 


Of all the programming languages whose demise and disappearance I
lament, I lament the demise and disappearance of APL the least.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org


On 6/1/2014 8:15 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> I'm surprised to learn that there is at least one other living human
> being that knows what an APL golfball is.

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There can be no greater example of a geek language than APL. I've known
a few research scientists that actually used it.  Looking at APL code
was like looking at something written on another planet by a non-human
culture.  It was, however, a true first generation language having been
initially developed in 1960.  Fortunately for us old timers there was
Fortran - which the human mind could comprehend.  By the end of the
60's, the C language was born, and, as they say, the rest is history.  C
has become the standard pattern for most of the languages used today.

So, as hams with inquisitive minds and a desire to build and create,
programming is a wonderful alternative to building hardware, albeit not
the least bit less frustrating.  But it can be real fun.  The Elecraft
gear all come with wonderfully thought through programmable command sets
which means it doesn't take a whole lot of coding to get a piece of gear
to do something for you.  Programming is also a good way to light up a
few more brain cells and keep the neural pathways from drying up.

Also, BTW Fred, APL has neither met its demise or completely
disappeared.  There are apparently a few ancient algorithms still in use
in research.  Probably because they still work and nobody has the
slightest idea how to translate APL into anything comprehensible.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 06/01/2014 12:19 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> Of all the programming languages whose demise and disappearance I
> lament, I lament the demise and disappearance of APL the least.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 6/1/2014 8:15 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>> I'm surprised to learn that there is at least one other living human
>> being that knows what an APL golfball is.
>
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One can probably find an electric typewriter, but that is not a Mill.  A Mill is a manual typewriter that has no shift.  It is not good for typing and all the ones that I have seen were manufactured in the forties.  Mills are not very useful for anything except copying code.
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart


On Saturday, May 31, 2014 11:02 PM, Walter Underwood <[hidden email]> wrote:
 


Should be able to find a typewriter in fine working condition here:

http://www.losaltosbusinessmachines.com/

My all time favorite typewriter is an IBM Correcting Selectric II. An APL golfball would be icing on the cake.

wunder
K6WRU

On May 31, 2014, at 8:26 PM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I had to learn to copy at least three times.  First, I memorized the code from the Boy Scout Handbook with dots and dashes.  That was good for about 5 wpm.  Then I learned to copy with block printing and that worked well to almost 20, but I could not get there.  I had to learn to copy with cursive to get the extra back when you had to get a minute perfect copy for the examiner.  I am still working on head copy but for some reason I have to hold a pencil and make marks that even I can't read most of the words to copy.  Finding a mill that works well is a challenge these days.  The ships that I have worked on have several mills sitting around frozen up, but none that work well.  I don't think there are any typewriter repairmen left around to rework a mill.
> 
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
>
>
> On Saturday, May 31, 2014 7:25 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> You are right Chuck, this is true, many will verify it.  If I'm writing
> it down, the translation path is <hear sound><know letter/number [or
> maybe word]><recall shape of written character[s]><write character[s]>.
>   With a mill, it's <hear sounds><move fingers>.
>
> I think it's that <recall ...> step that breaks the continuous copying
> process, it requires thinking, and if you learned on a mill, or have
> used a mill a lot, you're not used to doing any thinking.  When I was at
> the coastal marine station so many years ago, my mind would wander while
> in traffic with a ship ... OK, I was 16, 16-yr old minds wander a lot.
> :-)  But, it's just evidence that I wasn't thinking about what I was copying
>
> Copying on a mill, and to a large extent on a keyboard, I have no idea
> what I copied when I'm done, without reading it, it's muscle-memory and
> it did not go through my alleged brain.  I'm not a musician, but my
> brother is [however, he makes his living writing software :-)] and he
> tells me playing the piano is basically muscle memory ... <see
> notes><move fingers>.
>
> It goes a bit beyond that however, there is a distinct difference
> between a mill and a computer keyboard for most.  I can type faster
> [from hard copy text] on a desktop keyboard than I can on a mill.
> However, I can copy Morse [groups or text] faster on a mill than than
> that same keyboard.  On a mill, I'm good for 30-35 WPM.  On a standard
> sized desktop keyboard, 30 is tops and will have typos.  On a laptop or
> other smaller keyboard, I sort of top out at 20-25 ... or less depending
> on the keyboard.
>
> I really don't *know* why, but I suspect that the longer key travel
> forces a rhythm that syncs with the Morse.  The worst of all keyboards
> to touch type on are the flat-panel ones with no key travel.
>
> Just in case there are any out there looking for a CW Elmer, the CWOps
> group runs an international CW Academy.  They use a well proved
> methodology, a free video-conferencing program with competent
> instructors, flexible schedules, and there's lots of on-air support from
> the members on the 3 CWT's each Wednesday.  cwops.org  There is usually
> a waiting list but it goes fast.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
> - www.cqp.org
>
>
> On 5/31/2014 4:08 PM, Chuck Smallhouse wrote:
>
>> I was tasked teaching much older(>17) and lower ranked Radiomen, Morse
>> code, via using a typewriter for copying.  It was a learning experience
>> for me, as I found this method much easier to learn, than by writing
>> down the words and messages by hand.  It seemed as if the code
>> characters went directly from the ears to the typing fingers, totally
>> bypassing any pondering in the brain.
>
>
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