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Sjoerd,
> > I am seriously considering ordering a K2, but before i do that i would > > like > > to know what the 'extra costs' are before the kit is in my shack. > > I think 19% tax , but are there more costs?? > > > > Tnx in advance.. > > > > Sjoerd > > > > PE2SVN We've ordered two K2's a year ago, with identical bells and wisthles. From my notes: the K2's were EUR 2172 (Elecraft list price including transport). On top of hat came EUR 413 'invoerrechten' and EUR 10 'Inklaringskosten'. Now this EUR 413 is 19% of 2172, which is the going VAT-rate (BTW), so I figure there are no other duties to pay. Two notes: 1. I seem to recall that this was a cheaper route then buying from Germany, but do check for yourself. 2. I seem to vaguely recall that we asked Elecraft to mark the package as 'transmitter', with a special customs-code. I can't recall exactly which code that was, but may be able to retrieve it from an e-mail archive (that is currently on another computer). Contact me directly if interested. Then again, I'm not certain that it made any difference. I've only once ordered from them. So mine cost me just under EUR 1300, that's a K2, KSB2, KNB2, K160RX, KAT2, KIO2, KAF2, MH2, KBT2 and an additional BATT. Well worth it. Best, Bart de PA3GYU _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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pa3gyu wrote:
> 1. I seem to recall that this was a cheaper route then buying from > Germany, but do check for yourself. > 2. I seem to vaguely recall that we asked Elecraft to mark the package > as 'transmitter', with a special customs-code. I can't recall exactly > which code that was, but may be able to retrieve it from an e-mail > archive (that is currently on another computer). Contact me directly if > interested. I'm interested in similar info for the UK. I'm led to believe that if it's marked "telecommunications equipment", and especially if marked "kit", I may drastically reduce import duty? Any truth in this? Any other tips? Similarly, is it likely to be better to order from www.qrpproject.de or www.elecraft.com themselves? Being part of the EU and all that, I've already paid taxes if I order from .de I think? -- "Nosey" Nick Waterman, Senior Sysadmin. #include <stddisclaimer> [hidden email] Calm down. It's just ones and zeros. - cbmvax!carolyn _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Kits are irrelevent.
Import duty rules are the same for all of Europe and I would expect that Elecraft already know the correct codes and descriptions to use. Try 8525209900 for transmitters and transceivers (including kits) 85299040000 for accessories for above 8529100000 for antennas 8527190000 for receivers with internal battries 8527210000 for externally powered 12V receivers 8527310000 for other receivers There are other codes but that's a start. Full details are available on the net. On Sunday 04 September 2005 17:09, Nick Waterman wrote: > p > > I'm interested in similar info for the UK. I'm led to believe that if > it's marked "telecommunications equipment", and especially if marked > "kit", I may drastically reduce import duty? Any truth in this? Any > other tips? > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a message dated 04/09/05 17:27:02 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Import duty rules are the same for all of Europe and I would expect that Elecraft already know the correct codes and descriptions to use. Reply:------------------------------------------------------------------ Yes, Elecraft appear to be well aware of the correct commodity codes that should be included with the shipping documents and mark everything accordingly. In the case of equipment of this type there is a concession in place at present for this to be imported free of import duty, at least in the UK. The VAT applicable still has to be paid on the price of the equipment and any shipping costs plus the customs handling charge of the shipping route used. It would be great if all this worked, but am sad to say you are still at the mercy of the official at the point of import who may not understand or want to understand the rules and can place import duty on the package. This ramps up considerably the price you have to pay before the package will be released. The easist route at this point appears to be to pay this cost and go though the saga of reclaiming the amount from Customs, which took about 3 months in my case. The UK Customs involved were unreachable by telephone, did not answer e-mail and the only route appears to be snail mail. Getting agitated does you no good, only tends to raise your blood pressure. Others have got their consignment without any hindrance of this type. Just the luck of the draw on the day or which way your personal Customs official gets out of bed in the morning. Bob, G3VVT K2 #4168 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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At 00:47 05/09/2005, [hidden email] wrote:
>It would be great if all this worked, but am sad to say you are still at the >mercy of the official at the point of import who may not understand or want >to understand the rules and can place import duty on the package. This ramps >up considerably the price you have to pay before the package will be >released. >The easist route at this point appears to be to pay this cost and go though >the saga of reclaiming the amount from Customs, which took about 3 months in >my case. The UK Customs involved were unreachable by telephone, did not >answer e-mail and the only route appears to be snail mail. Getting >agitated does >you no good, only tends to raise your blood pressure. > >Others have got their consignment without any hindrance of this type. Just >the luck of the draw on the day or which way your personal Customs official >gets out of bed in the morning. > >Bob, G3VVT >K2 #4168 Hi Bob, Your experience echoes mine. I'm afraid it's worse than that. Mistakes may be endemic in UK customs. I did manage to speak to a representative in customs over the phone at the International Parcel Force clearing centre. I also got a written explanation of why the error occurred. Apparently, their computer system only allows the first part of the HS tariff number to be entered. Since there are several rates of duty for the same prefix, they can charge the highest rate of duty for all the codes with that same prefix. This is even though Elecraft is stating all the correct information and full HS tariff code on both the customs declaration and the invoice. It also took me about 3 months to get a refund. UK customs are supposed to have a service charter and respond to claims within a certain period. I had to email them twice to remind them that they had exceeded their own time limits for a response. I have to say that if their explanation is true, the whole thing is a crock. In such cases, I think the important thing is to always assert your rights and claim the refund. Nils carborundum illegitemae. Conversely, I have ordered goods delivered by courier. In all cases, the customs handling of these was fast and correct. So I suspect the issue is that it depends which customs clearing centre is being used. The one for International Parcel Force seems a shambles. One thing I suggested to Pam at Elecraft was that they should specifically stamp on all parcels destined for EU countries that import duty is zero rated. Elecraft could have a ready-made label for EU shipments that stated in bold letters "EU zero rated import duty" or some such. That way, there would be a chance that a customs officer using the "inadequate computer system" and entering just the prefix might be prompted to actually look up the proper full code. 73, David M0DHO (K2 #4030). _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Just to add my experiences.
My first order for a K2 (Jan 2004) came through parcel force and full duty was charged. Parcelforce collect the duty for customs, but would not admit that they were in the wrong. I did manage to contact customs by phone, but only by way of a helpful receptionist who got the customs officer to return my call. I sent off the label on the parcel together with copies of the invoice. Then I received a letter saying that because of the "additional" evidence they would refund me, infering that it was my fault. I eventually received the refund, three months after. My second order (March 2005), for extra modules and upgrades went through with no problems. You pays your money and takes the chance. Peter GM8GAX K2 #4027 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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My experience is that the best carrier to use is UPS. Of those I have used
UPS has always performed flawlessly with international purchases (not - Switzerland is not in the EU - so everything I buy goes through customs). If the parcel is correctly marked I can rely on UPS for efficiency, promptness and above all courtesy. UPS may be a tad more expensive but it's well worth it. Simon Brown --- www.hb9drv.ch www.laax.ch RSGB HF Convention: Friday 7th - Sunday 9th October 2005 Holidays: Monday 10th - Thursday 20th October 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Howson" <[hidden email]> > Just to add my experiences. > > My first order for a K2 (Jan 2004) came through parcel force and full duty > was charged. Parcelforce collect the duty for customs, but would not admit > that they were in the wrong. I did manage to contact customs by phone, but > only by way of a helpful receptionist who got the customs officer to > return my call. I sent off the label on the parcel together with copies of > the invoice. Then I received a letter saying that because of the > "additional" evidence they would refund me, infering that it was my fault. > I eventually received the refund, three months after. > > My second order (March 2005), for extra modules and upgrades went through > with no problems. > > You pays your money and takes the chance. > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Just to give my experiences:
I ordered a K2 and several options as well as a K1 and several options since Dec 2000 and everything was delivered via US Post Office International Parcel Post (as suggested on Elecrafts homepage). It turned out to be the cheapest way, was always fast (delivered almost always within 5 days). After 2001 I never experiences any problems with customs, just had to pay the national VAT. vy 73 de Rolf, DL8BAG .... >> >> My second order (March 2005), for extra modules and upgrades went >> through >> with no problems. >> >> You pays your money and takes the chance. >> > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hello all again,
As starter of this thread I would like to thank you all for reactions, I fully agree with Simon about UPS. I ordered my K2 last Friday, shipping via UPS, and hoped my new toy would be delivered within a week or 2... Yesterday (Monday) I came home from work, turned on my PC to see if there is some sort of order confirmation.. triiing UPS at the front door with a package! Wow that was FAST... My K2 arrived and by paying BTW (tax, no import duties) I was ready to start building in 37 hours after ordering! K2 # 5095 is work in progress at the moment! 73 to all! Sjoerd van Nederveen PE2SVN -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens Simon Brown (HB9DRV) Verzonden: dinsdag 6 september 2005 9:34 Aan: [hidden email] Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] Re: Ordering form PA (AND UK!) My experience is that the best carrier to use is UPS. Of those I have used UPS has always performed flawlessly with international purchases (not - Switzerland is not in the EU - so everything I buy goes through customs). If the parcel is correctly marked I can rely on UPS for efficiency, promptness and above all courtesy. UPS may be a tad more expensive but it's well worth it. Simon Brown --- www.hb9drv.ch www.laax.ch RSGB HF Convention: Friday 7th - Sunday 9th October 2005 Holidays: Monday 10th - Thursday 20th October 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Howson" <[hidden email]> > Just to add my experiences. > > My first order for a K2 (Jan 2004) came through parcel force and full duty > was charged. Parcelforce collect the duty for customs, but would not admit > that they were in the wrong. I did manage to contact customs by phone, but > only by way of a helpful receptionist who got the customs officer to > return my call. I sent off the label on the parcel together with copies of > the invoice. Then I received a letter saying that because of the > "additional" evidence they would refund me, infering that it was my fault. > I eventually received the refund, three months after. > > My second order (March 2005), for extra modules and upgrades went through > with no problems. > > You pays your money and takes the chance. > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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