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Christopher Plummer

Re: P3 VGA output

Is the P3 VGA output mod available yet for shipping?

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> 1. Re: P3SVGA - Coming soon (Edward Dickinson III)
> 2. Re: K3 High Stability Ref. Oscillator! (Don Wilhelm)
> 3. Re: P3SVGA - Coming soon (Grant Youngman)
> 4. Re: K3 High Stability Ref. Oscillator! (Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU)
> 5. Re: svga big size! (Alan Bloom)
> 6. Panadapter & audio interface for K3 (Bob K6UJ)
> 7. Re: Balun at input or output of tuner (Jim Brown)
> 8. P3 remote sampler (Dan Sherwood)
> 9. KPA100 for Sale or Trade (bob)
> 10. [K2] FS: K2 #5723 (John Reilly)
> 11. Re: Fw: K2 Battery charging Problem (Bruce Beford)
> 12. Re: K3 AGC Mod Test This Weekend (Lu Romero)
> 13. Re: KPA500 Heat Expansion Pop (John_N1JM)
> 14. Re: P3SVGA - Coming soon (Bill Swindell - K1LED)
> 15. Re: Balun at input or output of tuner (David Herring)
> 16. Re: P3SVGA - Coming soon (Bruce Beford)
> 17. Re: P3SVGA - Coming soon (Alan Bloom)
> 18. Harris Platinum I Channel 2 TV amplifiers for 6m
> (Lance Collister, W7GJ)
> 19. K3 Support Story (Sebastian, W4AS)
> 20. K3 Support Story (Johnny Siu)
> 21. Re: Harris Platinum I Channel 2 TV amplifiers for 6m
> ([hidden email])
> 22. New K3 Line Out problem: FIXED! (Neoklis Kyriazis)
> 23. P3 and K3 VFOB (John_N1JM)
> 24. Re: K3/P3 issue--no signals (Pete Meier)
> 25. Re: P3 and K3 VFOB (John_N1JM)
> 26. Change in the P3 noise floor (Larry K1UO)
> 27. Re: K3/P3 issue--no signals (Tobyp)
> 28. Re: K3/P3 issue--no signals (Tobyp)
> 29. Re: Change in the P3 noise floor (Bob - W6OPO)
> 30. Re: Change in the P3 noise floor (Nate Bargmann)
> 31. Re: P3 and K3 VFOB (Rick Prather)
> 32. Re: K3/P3 issue--no signals (Gary, W7TEA)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:25:41 -0500
> From: "Edward Dickinson III" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA - Coming soon
> To: <[hidden email]>
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> I consider the ability to have a resizable, position independent display on
> a computer connected monitor as significant as a dedicated display monitor.
>
>
>
> Does the opportunity exist to have a windowed display of the P3 output?
>
>
>
> Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious.
>
>
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Dick - KA5KKT
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:45:45 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 High Stability Ref. Oscillator!
> To: Jim Harris <[hidden email]>
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> Jim,
>
> The KTCXO3-1 has always been more stable than its spec'ed 0.5ppm
> stability, so there is no need to calibrate it for temperature vs.
> frequency using software.
> Because of that fact, the fields for entering the calibration data have
> been removed from the K3 Utility and also the section referring to
> "Method 3" has been removed from the K3 manual.
>
> In other words, since it is not needed, it has been removed.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 12/16/2011 11:48 AM, Jim Harris wrote:
> > *Good morning, All.*
> > *
> > *
> > *I have K3 [S/N2802] with the latest Firmware installed. I'm also using
> > the K3 Utility rev. 1.4.10.11.*
> > *
> > *
> > *When I ordered my kit, I also ordered the KTCX03-1 [0.5ppm] High Stability
> > Ref. Oscillator. When I received this particular kit, with it came a data
> > sheet for the KTCXO3-1 with freqs at certain temperatures. The "then" K3
> > Utility revision had a "link" that allowed me to input the data from
> > that accompanying sheet into the K3.*
> > *
> > *
> > *Has this "link" been removed? Why, is it no longer required? Am I
> > missing it within the current K3 Utility?*
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:54:55 -0600
> From: Grant Youngman <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA - Coming soon
> To: Elecraft List <[hidden email]>
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> Seems to me you would need either (1) a monitor device with two inputs and built in PIP capability, another video processor in the P3 to also take your PC video and provide PIP on the P3 output, or software and something other than a SVGA video output form the P3 to let your PC do the PIP on it's screen.
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Edward Dickinson III wrote:
>
> > I consider the ability to have a resizable, position independent display on
> > a computer connected monitor as significant as a dedicated display monitor.
> >
> >
> >
> Edward Dickinson III <[hidden email]>
> >
> > Does the opportunity exist to have a windowed display of the P3 output?
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:56:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 High Stability Ref. Oscillator!
> To: [hidden email]
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>
> w0mu wrote
> >
> > You need to enter that data for the TCXO to work right. It is under
> > calibration....enter TCXO data..........
> >
>
> I just checked 1.4.10.11 and do not see TCXO under Calibration.
> In 1.4.1.8, the latest version for Windows, the TCXO button is listed under
> Calibration but grayed out. I've never seen it active, even though I have
> the TCXO.
>
> My recollection is that Elecraft decided they didn't need the cal sheet in
> order to get the TCXO to work within spec.
>
> Leigh/WA5ZNU
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:59:47 -0800
> From: Alan Bloom <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] svga big size!
> To: Nate Bargmann <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
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> The P3 SVGA option uses an analog VGA connector. So you should be able
> to connect the PC to the DVI or whatever connector and the P3 to the
> VGA.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 05:48 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > * On 2011 16 Dec 03:55 -0600, Dick Lindzen wrote:
> > > Will one need a dedicated monitor or can it be shared with a pc?
> >
> > Most new monitors have at least an analog VGA input and at least one
> > DVI/Displayport inputs and can be switched between the input sources
> > muck like newer TVs.
> >
> > 73, de Nate N0NB >>
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:43:08 -0800
> From: Bob K6UJ <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter & audio interface for K3
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> I have for sale, brand new in box, LP-Pan with preamp, factory wired, for Elecraft K3. currently sells for $270
> Here's info on the panadapter, click on LP-Pan www.telepostinc.com
>
> Also, brand new in box, E-MU 0204 currently sells for $130
> Heres info on this audio interface: http://us.store.creative.com/EMU-0204-USB-2.0/M/B004GJXTQS.htm
>
> Asking $300 for both.
>
> if interested please contact me off the forum at [hidden email]
>
> thanks,
> Bob
> K6UJ
>
>
> > __,_._,___
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:00:43 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Balun at input or output of tuner
> To: Reflector Elecraft <[hidden email]>
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> On 12/13/2011 12:53 PM, David Herring wrote:
> > I'd like to ask a few questions.
>
> David,
>
> I hardly know where to begin in responding to your question. First, if
> you want a self-supporting vertical antenna for 30-10M, there are some
> really good choices that you can buy, that can be easily installed, that
> can be fed with 50 ohm coax, that don't require radials, and that don't
> require a balanced tuner. Loss in the feedline should be quite small if
> you use RG8 (or even RG8X). Look at the Hy-Gain AV-640, which one of my
> friends has used to work a lot of DX and do contesting from a small city
> lot. You should use one of my chokes at the feedpoint of this antenna.
> See my RFI tutorial, previously referenced.
>
> IMO, balanced tuners and so-called balanced line are highly over-rated
> solutions to problems that don't exist, or that could be better solved
> with other far simpler and less costly means. IMO, the only GOOD use of
> high impedance parallel wire feedlines is for very long runs -- 500 ft
> or more. Likewise, I am not a fan of all-band non-resonant dipole
> antennas, primarily because it is mechanically difficult choke them at
> their feedpoint, which makes them noisy and puts RF on the feedline, but
> also because their directional patterns vary widely with frequency.
> Since you're trying to make a vertical work on all bands, I'm assuming
> that horizontal antennas are not practical for you, hence the
> recommendation for the AV-640. I'm not a fan of compact, multi-band
> verticals below 40M because their efficiency tends to be poor, but at
> 30M and above they can work quite well.
>
> As to RF in the shack -- nearly all RF in the shack problems are the
> result of Pin One Problems in equipment. See the RFI tutorial for an
> explanation and solutions. Also see the pdf on Ham Interfacing for
> detailed instructions about bonding all of your gear together with short
> lengths of copper wire. This kills hum and buzz, and makes a big dent in
> the RFI you're experiencing. In extreme cases you may need to add
> chokes to individual cables.
>
> http://audiosystemsgroup.com/publish.htm
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:26:45 -0800
> From: Dan Sherwood <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 remote sampler
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
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> Now that at least one of those extra holes can soon be filled with a SVGA adaptor, I'm wondering about one of the others: Remote output monitoring?
>
> I've got a wonderful old Heath monitor scope on the output of my Drake L7 but it's getting tired and takes up much room. Would be sweet to have the P3 take over that chore monitoring Xmit envelope, spectrum and wattmeter functionality.
>
> 73
>
> >From the IPhone of
> Dan Sherwood
> W6DAS (formerly WA6PZK)
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:35:31 -0800
> From: bob <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 for Sale or Trade
> To: [hidden email]
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> Thanks for all who replied. The KPA100 has been spoken for.
> 73 Bob w7wo
>
>
> Hi,
> I have a KPA-100 recently removed from my K2 for $375 shipped. It is perfect in all respect and up to date.
>
> I would consider a KX-1 with atu
>
> 73 Bob w7wo
>
> Please respond to [hidden email] or [hidden email] Trades welcome
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:34:21 -0700
> From: John Reilly <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] FS: K2 #5723
> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
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> I purchased K2 #5723 as an unfinished kit. I completed the assembly,
> and added the following accessories:
>
> K160RX - 160m option + RX antenna input
> KAF2 - Audio Filter
> KAT2 - 20w Internal ATU
> KDIMP - finger Dimple
> KIO2 - RS-232 Serial Interface
> KNB2 - Noise Blanker
> KSB2 - SSB Option
> K6XX CW Indicator
> N0SS External T-R Relay Driver (keys external amplifier, plugged
> into 60m connector)
> Rework Eliminators & their Internal Mic Adapter
> Includes full documentation
>
> It is using V2.04P main micro-controller firmware, V1.09 I/O controller
> firmware (other firmware versions by request). It puts out greater than
> 10w on all bands (min: 10.1w on 10 & 160m, max: 14w on 80m).
>
> Reason for selling: buy a K3. $800
> - John, N0TA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:11:22 -0500
> From: "Bruce Beford" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: K2 Battery charging Problem
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <7B72D9011DD94C5E840178122D6F9E82@HPE250f>
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> Hi, Rich.
> Based on your description of the situation, it does sound like the battery
> is NG. Probably a shorted cell.
>
> As for the current drain, my "fully loaded" QRP K2 with DSP draws 320-360
> mA, according to the internal display. Honestly, I have not actually
> measured it with an external ammeter. Depending on what you have for options
> in the K2, it could conceivably draw this much.
>
> I would contact the vendor about the battery. They -may- be willing to
> replace it in good faith, without you returning the bad one. It's certainly
> worth asking.
>
> 73,
> Bruce, N1RX
>
>
> > Recently purchased and installed a new 2.9 amp battery in my K2. It
> arrived and I measured the voltage at 10.6 instead of being fully charged to
> 12V according to the book. As measured with the K2 internal voltmeter the
> readings were V 10.6 and current 0.32. That current reading is nowhere near
> the 200 to 250 ma indicated in the book.
>
> The K2 is working properly and output at 10.6V gives me about 10 watts;
> however, I have not been able to increase the voltage while hooked to an
> external 12V power supply set at 14.0 V for 12 hours. There is no change in
> either the voltage or current readings and I believe I have a defunct
> battery. I dread the thought of shipping it back to California (it cost me
> $14.95 for the UPS shipping) so thought someone may have some ideas about my
> problem.
>
> Thanks and 73, Rich K8III
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:12:13 -0500
> From: "Lu Romero" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Mod Test This Weekend
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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>
> Dave:
>
> >My next experiment will be to have an N1MM logging program
> >macro available to send RF Gain command RG090 if a loud
> >pileup shows up. RF Gain will be returned to 200 by
> appending
> >the RG200 command to the "thank you" message. This should
> >be the ultimate in "riding the RF gain control."
>
> *EXCELLENT* idea! Thanks for the tip!
>
> -lu-
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:36:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: John_N1JM <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Heat Expansion Pop
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Interestingly enough, I just received KPA500 #594 and there is an errata
> sheet with 1/4" 4-40 screws attached.
>
> John N1JM
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:59:48 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bill Swindell - K1LED <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA - Coming soon
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Will the P3 VGA adapter only work with the one resolution? I have a 1024 x
> 768 monitor that is waiting to connect to my P3.
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3SVGA-Coming-soon-tp7098340p7103070.html
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:23:36 -1000
> From: David Herring <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Balun at input or output of tuner
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: Reflector Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for the tip on the AV-640...I'll surely look into that. I am looking for a self-supporting solution to minimize my impact upon the XYL's view (to her credit, she's been incredibly patient and understanding about that). The home brew vertical dipole I'm running now requires guys which isn't pretty in her opinion.
>
> You're right about my not having space for horizontal antennas. I had shoe-horned in here an inverted-vee for a while, but that was little more than a cloud warmer -- my vertical dipole out-performs it 10 to 1.
>
> I went with the vertical dipole because I'm leery of verticals without radials...I see the AV-640 has what appears to be a ground plane, so that may work out just fine.
>
> I have been reading your papers and am beginning to have a fair understanding of the pin 1 problem, though I admit I have not gotten very far in physically implementing it. I do notice the amount of RF in the shack varies a lot if I mess around with the position the 450-ohm window line. That's what piqued my interest when I read about the use of a CM choke at the feed point of balanced lines...If that helped to restore balance in the balanced feeder, my thought was that might reduce feed line radiation enough to make my relatively minor RF-in-the-shack problem effectively go away. And if it improved my radiation pattern in the process, so much the better.
>
> But I am seeing now that line of thinking was a bit simplistic and the issue is bigger than that.
>
> Jim, thanks for the response to my post and for sharing your knowledge in general...I for one appreciate it.
>
> 73 & Aloha,
>
> David
> AH6TD
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
> > On 12/13/2011 12:53 PM, David Herring wrote:
> >> I'd like to ask a few questions.
> >
> > David,
> >
> > I hardly know where to begin in responding to your question. First, if
> > you want a self-supporting vertical antenna for 30-10M, there are some
> > really good choices that you can buy, that can be easily installed, that
> > can be fed with 50 ohm coax, that don't require radials, and that don't
> > require a balanced tuner. Loss in the feedline should be quite small if
> > you use RG8 (or even RG8X). Look at the Hy-Gain AV-640, which one of my
> > friends has used to work a lot of DX and do contesting from a small city
> > lot. You should use one of my chokes at the feedpoint of this antenna.
> > See my RFI tutorial, previously referenced.
> >
> > IMO, balanced tuners and so-called balanced line are highly over-rated
> > solutions to problems that don't exist, or that could be better solved
> > with other far simpler and less costly means. IMO, the only GOOD use of
> > high impedance parallel wire feedlines is for very long runs -- 500 ft
> > or more. Likewise, I am not a fan of all-band non-resonant dipole
> > antennas, primarily because it is mechanically difficult choke them at
> > their feedpoint, which makes them noisy and puts RF on the feedline, but
> > also because their directional patterns vary widely with frequency.
> > Since you're trying to make a vertical work on all bands, I'm assuming
> > that horizontal antennas are not practical for you, hence the
> > recommendation for the AV-640. I'm not a fan of compact, multi-band
> > verticals below 40M because their efficiency tends to be poor, but at
> > 30M and above they can work quite well.
> >
> > As to RF in the shack -- nearly all RF in the shack problems are the
> > result of Pin One Problems in equipment. See the RFI tutorial for an
> > explanation and solutions. Also see the pdf on Ham Interfacing for
> > detailed instructions about bonding all of your gear together with short
> > lengths of copper wire. This kills hum and buzz, and makes a big dent in
> > the RFI you're experiencing. In extreme cases you may need to add
> > chokes to individual cables.
> >
> > http://audiosystemsgroup.com/publish.htm
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:46:11 -0500
> From: "Bruce Beford" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA - Coming soon
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID: <6449581256134DC0BCFC1206268E941C@HPE250f>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Your monitor should work fine, Bill.
> I am believe the -max- resolution was stated as 1920x1080. It should be
> "backwards compatible" with lower resolution monitors.
> 73,
> Bruce N1RX
>
> > Will the P3 VGA adapter only work with the one resolution? I have a 1024 x
> >768 monitor that is waiting to connect to my P3.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:02:30 -0800
> From: Alan Bloom <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA - Coming soon
> To: Bruce Beford <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <1324090950.1673.70.camel@ulinux-desktop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> The available resolutions are 1024x768, 1280x1024 and 1920x1080.
> There's room in memory so we could probably support other resolutions if
> needed.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 21:46 -0500, Bruce Beford wrote:
> > Your monitor should work fine, Bill.
> > I am believe the -max- resolution was stated as 1920x1080. It should be
> > "backwards compatible" with lower resolution monitors.
> > 73,
> > Bruce N1RX
> >
> > > Will the P3 VGA adapter only work with the one resolution? I have a 1024 x
> > >768 monitor that is waiting to connect to my P3.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:04:33 +0000
> From: "Lance Collister, W7GJ" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Harris Platinum I Channel 2 TV amplifiers for 6m
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hello Magic Band newcomers!
>
> There has been quite a bit of interest in these amps, since there are no electrical
> modifications at all required to use them on 6m. Typically, they put out a kw with
> about 8-11 watts of drive or 1500w output with around 25w drive. They have all kinds
> of built-in protection circuits and are very rugged! They make a perfect companion
> for a 10w K3, or a new KX3!
>
> To keep up with the demand at the low prices at which I am making these available, I
> have arranged for an additional quantity. So, the good news is that I still have
> more available. Complete details on how to hook them up are continually being
> updated here:
>
> http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/HarrisAmps.htm
>
> Complete ordering information is at the bottom of the above web page. Orders are
> shipped in the order that payment is received. Be prepared to work those rare
> stations on 6m with one of these durable amps!
>
> GL and DX on the Magic Band! VY 73, Lance
> --
> Lance Collister, W7GJ
> (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ)
> P.O. Box 73
> Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073
> USA
> TEL: (406) 626-5728
> QTH: DN27ub
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>
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> email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
> page (above)!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:35:55 -0500
> From: "Sebastian, W4AS" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Support Story
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I would like to briefly mention my recent experience with Elecraft's technical support.
>
> My K3/10 kit arrived a few days ago, and I built it without any issues. But my transverter was stuck in transmit when it was connected to the KEY OUT jack. I checked and double checked the connecting cable and menu settings, and couldn't find a problem. Since it was late in the evening and Elecraft wasn't open for business, I emailed Ed (KL7UW) who is active on this list, to see if I had missed something obvious.
>
> We found the KEY OUT jack was always shorted, even with the radio off. Ed suggested I contact Elecraft the following morning.
>
> I had the pleasure of speaking to Dale at Elecraft, who offered a couple of ideas and then asked if I was good with a soldering iron. I was a bit worried, as introducing my soldering iron to my expensive new radio wasn't something I had planned, but I was willing to try.
>
> Dale carefully explained what he wanted me to do, and said to call him back with the results of the first step. That first step didn't solve the problem, so I called him again, and he explained what the next step was; to pull a leg from Q3 which is a relatively large keying transistor. Removing that leg confirmed the transistor was bad. Dale actually apologized on behalf of Elecraft for "sending a bad transistor and not checking it"! I didn't know what to say, other than it certainly wasn't necessary. Who knows, maybe I did something to blow it, or it may have been 'infant mortality'.
>
> During this time, I had thoughts in my head of having to ship the radio back to them and waiting for them to repair it, and then shipping it back to me. Because of the holidays, I imagined that would take several weeks.
>
> Dale said he was placing a replacement transistor in the mail for me, and offered hints on how to replace it, and to let him know if it that didn't cure the problem.
>
> Well I just finished replacing Q3 and reassembling the radio. I'm happy to say it works now.
>
> Happy Holidays to all; and thanks again Dale.
>
> 73 de Sebastian, W4AS
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:53:14 +0800 (HKT)
> From: Johnny Siu <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Support Story
> To: "Sebastian, W4AS" <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]"
> <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID:
> <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> The entire support team is excellent as always.
>
> TNX & 73,
>
>
> Johnny VR2XMC
>
>
> ________________________________
> ?? "Sebastian, W4AS" <[hidden email]>
> ???? [hidden email]
> ????? 2011?12?17? (??) 1:35 PM
> ??? [Elecraft] K3 Support Story
>
> I would like to briefly mention my recent experience with Elecraft's technical support.
>
> My K3/10 kit arrived a few days ago, and I built it without any issues.? But my transverter was stuck in transmit when it was connected to the KEY OUT jack.? I checked and double checked the connecting cable and menu settings, and couldn't find a problem.? Since it was late in the evening and Elecraft wasn't open for business, I emailed Ed (KL7UW) who is active on this list, to see if I had missed something obvious.
>
> We found the KEY OUT jack was always shorted, even with the radio off.? Ed suggested I contact Elecraft the following morning.?
>
> I had the pleasure of speaking to Dale at Elecraft, who offered a couple of ideas and then asked if I was good with a soldering iron.? I was a bit worried, as introducing my soldering iron to my expensive new radio wasn't something I had planned, but I was willing to try.
>
> Dale carefully explained what he wanted me to do, and said to call him back with the results of the first step.? That first step didn't solve the problem, so I called him again, and he explained what the next step was; to pull a leg from Q3 which is a relatively large keying transistor.? Removing that leg confirmed the transistor was bad.? Dale actually apologized on behalf of Elecraft for "sending a bad transistor and not checking it"!? I didn't know what to say, other than it certainly wasn't necessary.? Who knows, maybe I did something to blow it, or it may have been 'infant mortality'.
>
> During this time, I had thoughts in my head of having to ship the radio back to them and waiting for them to repair it, and then shipping it back to me.? Because of the holidays, I imagined that would take several weeks.
>
> Dale said he was placing a replacement transistor in the mail for me, and offered hints on how to replace it, and to let him know if it that didn't cure the problem.
>
> Well I just finished replacing Q3 and reassembling the radio.? I'm happy to say it works now.
>
> Happy Holidays to all; and thanks again Dale.
>
> 73 de Sebastian, W4AS
>
>
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:27:44 -0500
> From: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Harris Platinum I Channel 2 TV amplifiers for
> 6m
> To: <[hidden email]>, "Elecraft Mailing List" <[hidden email]>
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>
> In my last job before retirement, I helped several of our stations buy the
> Platinum transmitters. They are wonderfully reliable. I don't remember
> hearing of a single module going bad, we must have had at least 15 Platinums
> by then, both low-VHF and high-VHF. I wonder whatever happened to the
> low-VHF Platinum DTV transmitter we installed in Cleveland (channel 2 or 4,
> I can't remember which) to work through the DTV transition with their analog
> channel 3.
>
> They take a licking, and keep on ticking!
> Terry, WB4JFI
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lance Collister, W7GJ
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:04 AM
> To: Elecraft Mailing List
> Subject: [Elecraft] Harris Platinum I Channel 2 TV amplifiers for 6m
>
> Hello Magic Band newcomers!
>
> There has been quite a bit of interest in these amps, since there are no
> electrical
> modifications at all required to use them on 6m. Typically, they put out a
> kw with
> about 8-11 watts of drive or 1500w output with around 25w drive. They have
> all kinds
> of built-in protection circuits and are very rugged! They make a perfect
> companion
> for a 10w K3, or a new KX3!
>
> To keep up with the demand at the low prices at which I am making these
> available, I
> have arranged for an additional quantity. So, the good news is that I still
> have
> more available. Complete details on how to hook them up are continually
> being
> updated here:
>
> http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/HarrisAmps.htm
>
> Complete ordering information is at the bottom of the above web page.
> Orders are
> shipped in the order that payment is received. Be prepared to work those
> rare
> stations on 6m with one of these durable amps!
>
> GL and DX on the Magic Band! VY 73, Lance
> --
> Lance Collister, W7GJ
> (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ)
> P.O. Box 73
> Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073
> USA
> TEL: (406) 626-5728
> QTH: DN27ub
> URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
> Windows Messenger: [hidden email]
> Skype: lanceW7GJ
> 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815
>
> Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME
> email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web
> page (above)!
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:12:25 -0800 (PST)
> From: Neoklis Kyriazis <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Line Out problem: FIXED!
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID:
> <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Phew! How lucky can you get...
>
> My original problem on my new K3 was that there was no output form the Line Out
> socket and very low sensitivity to input signal at the Line In socket. I now know that
> another problem I had was that with CONFIG SPKR+PH NO, the speaker would go
> silent after a couple of seconds, even with no phones plugged in anywhere.
>
> I tried to trace the Line Out circuit, starting from the DSP's output. I had to remove
> the front half of the bottom cover to access P50, where the AF interconnections to
> the DSP are grouped. I found no output on Pin 10 of P50 where the Line Out signal
> is delivered by the DSP.
>
> While wondering what may be wrong, I noticed that the DSP board was not lying
>
> parallel to the front panel so I suspected it wasn't mounted right. I removed the
>
> left side panel and I then realized that I plugged J50 into P50 with the top row of
> pins into the botton row of sockets, so that half the pins where not connected!
> I fixed the problem and re-assembled the K3 and voila! all was well with the faults
> mentioned above.
>
> However my troubles were not over just yet... I noticed that in CW mode and listening
> to our local beacon on 50.499, there was a lot of distortion that sounded like clipping
> of the audio output. On AM and listening to a local station the audio sounded good.
> I really couldn't figure out why but eventually the fault cleared by itself, with the
>
> distortion going away slowly! Don't know what was wrong (possibly an electrolytic?)
> but I sure am very thankful it did....
>
> I guess I should also be thankful that my sloppy assembling of the front panel didn't
> cause any permanent damage, possibly because there is no DC involved and the pin
> connections are mostly symmetric (Lineout-Left - Lineout Right etc).
>
> One nice point that came out of this experience is that I was right about one
>
> thing - one strong motive to buy a K3 kit was user repairability. I had an FT847 that
> developed a fault on the RIT control but I could find no spares, even from the makers,
> and I damaged it further trying to access the front panel internals. Kits for ever! ;-)
>
> Also, one advantage of modern times - I used the schematics and assembly manuals
> that are available on Elecraft's website in PDF format. Tracing a signal by name (like
> LINEOUT_R etc) was so much easier than searching in paper schematics - I used the
> keyword search of the PDF reader and could navigate the schematics with the click
> of a button!
>
> Thanks Elecraft, and all responders.
>
>
> ?
> Regards
>
> Neoklis - Ham Radio Call 5B4AZ
> QTH Locator KM64KR
> Website: http://www.qsl.net/5b4az/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:54:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: John_N1JM <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and K3 VFOB
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I just noticed on my fairly new P3 that VFO B marker shows up on the screen
> even though it is on a different band. There is no carrier frequency line
> like when VFO B is on the same band but the magenta band is there. Is that
> normal?
>
> John N1JM
>
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 06:21:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Pete Meier <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/P3 issue--no signals
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I have similar issue. Just built the P3 and it worked immediately. I shut
> down and returned a few hours later and no signals. It's like the IF is no
> longer getting to the P3. Weird.
>
> Hope someone has the fix soon.
>
> Pete WK8S
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 06:24:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: John_N1JM <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and K3 VFOB
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> It also seems to vary with span. It may appear at 25khz span but be off
> screen at 100khz span, etc.
>
> John N1JM
>
>
>
> John_N1JM wrote
> >
> > I just noticed on my fairly new P3 that VFO B marker shows up on the
> > screen even though it is on a different band. There is no carrier
> > frequency line like when VFO B is on the same band but the magenta band is
> > there. Is that normal?
> >
> > John N1JM
> >
>
>
> --
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 06:42:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: Larry K1UO <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Change in the P3 noise floor
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> A question for you "Tekkies". Today, for the first time I can recall, I
> widened the P3 span to the full 200K bandwidth display. While listening on
> aux receive antennas for 160 meters, I could see a half moon shaped noise
> floor that started gradually rising from S0 at about 1.775Mhz, peaking
> around S3 at about 1.830 and slowly declining again until back to S0 level
> at around 1.875Mhz (A nice even arc of noise).
>
> Would this be noise from my series fed 115ft top loaded 160/80M xmit tower
> that I am seeing? I have a vacuum relay that disconnects the feed /radials
> from the tower when receiving and I didnt see much if any difference when
> switching the relay in and out manually.
>
> curious now as to what I am seeing.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry K1UO
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 06:57:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tobyp <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/P3 issue--no signals
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:01:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tobyp <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/P3 issue--no signals
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Pete, I have experienced the same thing. It seems the IF BNC connector on
> back of the rig is a bit touchy and I have difficulty getting a really
> solid connection.
>
> If I move the rig around any at all the BNC disconnects. Playing with the
> connector seems to get me up and running again.
>
> Toby W4CAK
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:24:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bob - W6OPO <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Change in the P3 noise floor
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Larry,
>
> That is usually due to the antenna's bandwidth especially if an antenna
> tuner is used. Really wide spans will show how sharp the antenna is - in
> other words its bandwidth.
>
> Again if an antenna tuner is employed it will look pretty sharp/narrow
> compared to no matching network.
>
> 73,
>
> Bob - W6OPO
>
> --
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:25:42 -0600
> From: Nate Bargmann <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Change in the P3 noise floor
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> * On 2011 17 Dec 08:47 -0600, Larry K1UO wrote:
> > curious now as to what I am seeing.
>
> I see about the same thing on 160m. I have a 3/8 wave center-fed
> doublet on 160m fed via 450 ohm window lead and a Palstar AT1500DT
> tuner. As I need to retune on excursions of more than 20 kHz or so, the
> peak of the noise on the P3 corresponds to the matched setting of the
> tuner. As the most efficient transfer of energy occurs when impedances
> are matched, it makes sense that the P3 would show a peak of noise at
> the setting of the conjugate match.
>
> In other words (for those who believe I'm not clear enough and will want
> point that out via private mail--save your bandwidth), the noise floor
> peak on MY P3 corresponds to where I have the tuner set for an SWR of
> 1.0:1 on 160m. The display is not as pronounced on other bands where
> the 2:1 SWR bandwidth is much wider.
>
> 73, de Nate N0NB >>
>
> --
>
> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
> possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
>
> Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:00:21 -0800
> From: Rick Prather <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and K3 VFOB
> To: Elecraft List <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> John,
>
> Sounds like what you are seeing is not the VFO B marker but the P3's MKR B.
>
> You should be able to move it with the P3's SELECT knob and turn it off by holding the MKR B button on the P3.
>
> Rick
> K6LE
>
> On 12/17/2011, at 5:54 , John_N1JM wrote:
>
> > I just noticed on my fairly new P3 that VFO B marker shows up on the screen
> > even though it is on a different band. There is no carrier frequency line
> > like when VFO B is on the same band but the magenta band is there. Is that
> > normal?
> >
> > John N1JM
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:44:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Gary, W7TEA" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/P3 issue--no signals
> To: [hidden email]
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I'm sorry I didn't post the "fix." As it turned out, the RF board holding
> the BNC jacks was bad. Elecraft sent a replacement and I was up and running
> again.
>
> 73, Gary W7TEA
>
> -----
> 73,
>
> Gary W7TEA K3 #1001, #5763
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Re: P3 VGA output

Administrator

It is being released to production right now. With lead times on parts
etc, I expect it to be assembled and in-house around the end of January.

73, Eric

www.elecraft.com

On 12/17/2011 10:10 AM, Christopher Plummer wrote:
> Is the P3 VGA output mod available yet for shipping?
>
> Chris G8APB
>
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Re: P3 VGA output

And ballpark cost please? I don't remember seeing that and don't think it's listed on the order page yet?
73 de M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???)
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On 17 Dec 2011, at 21:48, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> It is being released to production right now. With lead times on parts
> etc, I expect it to be assembled and in-house around the end of January.

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Re: P3 VGA output

David,

I wonder when we will see the wider bandwidth option appear?

It would be nice to see the whole amateur band of interest to see quickly what is happening on the CW and SSB portions of the band.

73

Gary

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----- Original Message -----
From: David Ferrington, M0XDF
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 VGA output

And ballpark cost please? I don't remember seeing that and don't think it's listed on the order page yet?
73 de M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???)
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On 17 Dec 2011, at 21:48, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> It is being released to production right now. With lead times on parts
> etc, I expect it to be assembled and in-house around the end of January.

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Re: P3 VGA output

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Hi Dave,

Take a deep breath and follow this link.

http://nefl-dstar.com/blog/2011/09/15/elecraft-p3-pan-adapter-upgrades/

73,
Mike K2MK

M0XDF wrote

And ballpark cost please? I don't remember seeing that and don't think it's listed on the order page yet?

73 de M0XDF

M0XDF

Re: P3 VGA output

Ah - now, ~ $300 for the extra features I would definitely go for - especially being able to use data mode via a keyboard (my CW is very ropey and S/K only at present)
73 de M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???)
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year with good DX

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On 19 Dec 2011, at 12:11, Mike K2MK wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Take a deep breath and follow this link.
>
> http://nefl-dstar.com/blog/2011/09/15/elecraft-p3-pan-adapter-upgrades/
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
>
>
> M0XDF wrote
>>
>>
>> And ballpark cost please? I don't remember seeing that and don't think
>> it's listed on the order page yet?
>>
>> 73 de M0XDF
>>

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: P3 VGA output

Administrator

I just posted to that page with some corrections and updates:

1. The CW, RTTY, and PSK31 text display window will appear on both the
P3 internal screen and the external monitor, in addition to the spectral
display information. we'll either have this up at release on the SVGA or
with a follow up firmware update.

2. Pricing looks to be approximately in the mid to high $200 range.
Certainly not in the $350-400 range :-)

3. Current resolutions supported are 1024x768, 1280x1024 and 1920x1080.
We will be adding several more ranges in the wide screen format.

4. Its released for purchasing and production now. We will be adding it
to the order form in the next couple of weeks (between 12/27 and 1/15)
and expect to ship late Jan early Feb.

73, Eric

www.elecraft.com

On 12/19/2011 4:23 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
> Ah - now, ~ $300 for the extra features I would definitely go for - especially being able to use data mode via a keyboard (my CW is very ropey and S/K only at present)
> 73 de M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???)
> Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year with good DX
>
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Re: P3 VGA output

Eric,
Very few monitors today support 1024x768. 1280x1024 is rapidly becoming
obsolete. Useful native resolutions are 1366x768 - also known as 720p,
used widely in laptops and lower priced LCD TVs, 1440x900 and 1680x1050
(both used in higher end laptops and lower end LCD monitors). But,
having 1920x1080 is the most important because the overwhelming majority
of monitors and TVs sold today are at this native resolution (also known
as 1080I and 1080P). So you have the important one. I would go with
1366x768 as the next one to pick up. Lots of really inexpensive
monitors ($80-$90) available using this spec. I just picked up a 15.2"
Acer at WalMart to dedicate to this option for about $85 out the door.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 12/19/2011 10:24 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> I just posted to that page with some corrections and updates:
>
> 1. The CW, RTTY, and PSK31 text display window will appear on both the
> P3 internal screen and the external monitor, in addition to the spectral
> display information. we'll either have this up at release on the SVGA or
> with a follow up firmware update.
>
> 2. Pricing looks to be approximately in the mid to high $200 range.
> Certainly not in the $350-400 range :-)
>
> 3. Current resolutions supported are 1024x768, 1280x1024 and 1920x1080.
> We will be adding several more ranges in the wide screen format.
>
> 4. Its released for purchasing and production now. We will be adding it
> to the order form in the next couple of weeks (between 12/27 and 1/15)
> and expect to ship late Jan early Feb.
>
> 73, Eric
>
> www.elecraft.com
>
>
> On 12/19/2011 4:23 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>> Ah - now, ~ $300 for the extra features I would definitely go for - especially being able to use data mode via a keyboard (my CW is very ropey and S/K only at present)
>> 73 de M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???)
>> Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year with good DX
>>
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Re: P3 VGA output

On 12/19/2011 9:54 AM, Doug Person wrote:
> Very few monitors today support 1024x768. 1280x1024 is rapidly becoming
> obsolete. Useful native resolutions are 1366x768 - also known as 720p,
> used widely in laptops and lower priced LCD TVs, 1440x900 and 1680x1050
> (both used in higher end laptops and lower end LCD monitors).

While it's important to support these 16:9 resolutions, it should be
remembered that many (most?) ham shacks utilize vintage gear re-purposed
from mainstream use. Until the last year or two, the computers in my
shack have been 6-8 year old laptops those that I used to use in my
business, and I'm still using slightly newer versions of the same type
that I bought as off-lease refurbs. Thus, while 4:3 display schemes may
be disappearing from NEW equipment, Elecraft is right to support them
for compatibility with older monitors. Indeed, the only problem I have
right now with using a 10 year old 28-in LCD display originally bought
for my biz is that it's too big to fit in the available space above my
operating desk.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: P3 VGA output

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Fantastic - another sale!
:-)

I'd like to take this opertunity to wish all at Elecraft a Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year with good DX

Have a good holiday chaps - you deserve it.

73 de M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???)

--
If you have the same ideas as everybody else but have them one week earlier
than everyone else then you will be hailed as a visionary. But if you have
them five years earlier you will be named a lunatic. -Barry Jones,
politician, author (1932- )

On 19 Dec 2011, at 17:24, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> I just posted to that page with some corrections and updates:
>
> 1. The CW, RTTY, and PSK31 text display window will appear on both the P3 internal screen and the external monitor, in addition to the spectral display information. we'll either have this up at release on the SVGA or with a follow up firmware update.
>
> 2. Pricing looks to be approximately in the mid to high $200 range. Certainly not in the $350-400 range :-)
>
> 3. Current resolutions supported are 1024x768, 1280x1024 and 1920x1080. We will be adding several more ranges in the wide screen format.
>
> 4. Its released for purchasing and production now. We will be adding it to the order form in the next couple of weeks (between 12/27 and 1/15) and expect to ship late Jan early Feb.
>
> 73, Eric
>
> www.elecraft.com
>
>
> On 12/19/2011 4:23 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>> Ah - now, ~ $300 for the extra features I would definitely go for - especially being able to use data mode via a keyboard (my CW is very ropey and S/K only at present)
>> 73 de M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???)
>> Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year with good DX
>>

Doug Person-3

Re: P3 VGA output

In reply to this post by Doug Person-3

Very few monitors in use today (for web-browsing) can accommodate 1024 x
768 as a native mode. This is a well-known statistic among
web-developers. I didn't say Elecraft shouldn't support this mode.
But, obviously, I should have just said 1366x768 would be the next most
important mode and leave it at that. I don't think its a reasonable
statement to say any particular monitor type is more likely to be in use
by hams. You're just making an assumption not based on any particular
data. Industry data says 1024x768 is not used much anymore. I don't
think hams are very far out of the mainstream. End of discussion.

On 12/19/2011 11:02 AM, Rick Bates wrote:

> "Very few NEW monitors" would be a more accurate statement. And since when
> do most hams through out any functioning device? In other words, an older
> monitor is MORE likely to be in the shack than a new one, regardless of the
> new one being cheaper. We reuse so we can spend on other things.
>
> Merry/Happy Christmas
> Rick WA6NHC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Person
>
> Eric,
> Very few monitors today support 1024x768. 1280x1024 is rapidly becoming
> obsolete.<snipped>
>
>

Jim Brown-10

Re: P3 VGA output

On 12/19/2011 1:21 PM, Doug Person wrote:
> Very few monitors in use today (for web-browsing) can accommodate 1024 x
> 768 as a native mode.

This is a computer geek's view. So far, I've never seen a monitor sold
for use with computers that would NOT run at 1024x768. If you would
like to come by my QTH I can show you ten that DO work at 1024x768.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: P3 VGA output

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 12/19/2011 1:21 PM, Doug Person wrote:
>> Very few monitors in use today (for web-browsing) can accommodate 1024 x
>> 768 as a native mode.
>
> This is a computer geek's view. So far, I've never seen a monitor sold
> for use with computers that would NOT run at 1024x768. If you would
> like to come by my QTH I can show you ten that DO work at 1024x768.

The key word is "native". LCDs, being digital, have a native
resolution, where each pixel to be displayed maps directly to a pixel
on the screen. Most monitors will find a way to display some
resolutions lower than their native one, but it may not look pretty
(either "blurry", or maybe not filling the entire screen).

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_resolution

~iain / N6ML
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Bill K9YEQ

Re: P3 VGA output

In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10

Jim.

I think it is fair that Elecraft look to newer equipment for developing
drivers, meaning stuff that is in the flat screen vintage and early in the
adaption of 3-5 years ago. Beyond that, I think the game becomes too
complex. This is the reason several of us have asked for more wide screen
support for monitors that were 19" and up for widescreen.

While we don't have unlimited resources for $'s to spend If one is to get
the adapter, unfortunately that may require more $'s to take advantage. I
don't find that I need a larger monitor as the P3 does what I need as is,
but may go ahead just for another toy. You know what I mean? I will get
the adapter and try it on one of my main screens and see if it is worth
buying the additional monitor. I have two now that are large, but are not
available for the single purpose of the P3 external display. Further, an
external display will take up more desk space. I can add the display via AB
switch, but this would only be on a momentary basis, as I use my displays
for business in my shack.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 VGA output

On 12/19/2011 9:54 AM, Doug Person wrote:
> Very few monitors today support 1024x768. 1280x1024 is rapidly
> becoming obsolete. Useful native resolutions are 1366x768 - also
> known as 720p, used widely in laptops and lower priced LCD TVs,
> 1440x900 and 1680x1050 (both used in higher end laptops and lower end LCD
monitors).

While it's important to support these 16:9 resolutions, it should be
remembered that many (most?) ham shacks utilize vintage gear re-purposed
from mainstream use. Until the last year or two, the computers in my shack
have been 6-8 year old laptops those that I used to use in my business, and
I'm still using slightly newer versions of the same type that I bought as
off-lease refurbs. Thus, while 4:3 display schemes may be disappearing from
NEW equipment, Elecraft is right to support them for compatibility with
older monitors. Indeed, the only problem I have right now with using a 10
year old 28-in LCD display originally bought for my biz is that it's too big
to fit in the available space above my operating desk.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: P3 VGA output [monitor resolution thread closed]

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In reply to this post by Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Fortunately displaying the SVGA's output works well on non-native
resolution monitors with the P3's data. The blurring at non-native
resolutions usually is most apparent on small text and photos on PCs. In
the case of the P3, our text is much larger than that and the spectral
data looks great on non-native resolution monitors. We've tested this
with a number of monitors whose native resolution is different than the
resolution put out by the P3-SVGA adapter. It looks great.

That said, we plan add several additional monitor resolutions to the
core three currently supported. Also, this is firmware downloadable, so
if we find another resolution that is really needed, we can add it at
any time. (Thought it takes a new FPGA design for each resolution - we
store all of these FPGA images in on-board flash memory and load the
needed FPGA image for each resolution.

Please don't argue what is best here. We're just looking for a list to
use (and it looks like we have a good selection to pick from already -
thanks!)

So lets -close- this thread for now.

73, Eric

www.elecraft.com

On 12/19/2011 2:32 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Jim Brown<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 12/19/2011 1:21 PM, Doug Person wrote:
>>> Very few monitors in use today (for web-browsing) can accommodate 1024 x
>>> 768 as a native mode.
>> This is a computer geek's view. So far, I've never seen a monitor sold
>> for use with computers that would NOT run at 1024x768. If you would
>> like to come by my QTH I can show you ten that DO work at 1024x768.
> The key word is "native". LCDs, being digital, have a native
> resolution, where each pixel to be displayed maps directly to a pixel
> on the screen. Most monitors will find a way to display some
> resolutions lower than their native one, but it may not look pretty
> (either "blurry", or maybe not filling the entire screen).
>
> See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_resolution
>
> ~iain / N6ML
>