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GREG WILSON

Re: 'Q' signal trivia

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this...

73 means "best regards" and is sufficient without an "s".

If you say "73s", it is like saying, "best regards's".

However, I admit that it has become rather common practice in recent times.

73, Greg-N4CC
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Phil Kane-2

Re: 'Q' signal trivia

On 7/18/2011 2:24 PM, Greg - N4CC wrote:

> However, I admit that it has become rather common practice in
> recent times.

Common practice doesn't make it right. It started in the CB
world, where it "morphed" into "Threes and Eights" for "73 and
88". Sometimes I even hear "my first personal" meaning "my
first name".

As ambassadors of Ham Radio we must do better.

-- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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Gary Gregory

Re: 'Q' signal trivia

OMG....my Handle....now that get(s) up my nose.....Grin

73

Gary

On 19 July 2011 08:49, Phil Kane <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 7/18/2011 2:24 PM, Greg - N4CC wrote:
>
> > However, I admit that it has become rather common practice in
> > recent times.
>
> Common practice doesn't make it right. It started in the CB
> world, where it "morphed" into "Threes and Eights" for "73 and
> 88". Sometimes I even hear "my first personal" meaning "my
> first name".
>
> As ambassadors of Ham Radio we must do better.
>
> -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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David Gilbert

Re: 'Q' signal trivia

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Pray tell, why must we do "better"?? And what on earth is "better"
about it?? What was "right" for formal message handling doesn't mean
diddly for social, casual conversation. Getting all rigid and anal
about a friendly signoff just makes our hobby look silly, old, and
intolerant.

Dave AB7E

On 7/18/2011 3:49 PM, Phil Kane wrote:

> Common practice doesn't make it right. It started in the CB
> world, where it "morphed" into "Threes and Eights" for "73 and
> 88". Sometimes I even hear "my first personal" meaning "my
> first name".
>
> As ambassadors of Ham Radio we must do better.
>
> -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402
>

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WA2SI

Re: 'Q' signal trivia

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Not so fast there, Phil. "73's" was in use before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.)

I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us "73" as a result of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. "Best regards," no need to pluralize that which is already plural.

As for the "3's & 8's" or "first personal," remember, it's a different service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi.

There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a "73's" or "QRT and standing by" to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW traffic there too, go figure.

As always, take care es...

Vy 73 de Bert (my "handle")
WA2SI

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-- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD

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Johnny Siu

'Q' signal trivia

While the moderator may kill this thread shortly, I enjoy reading all the messages. English is not my mother language and I'm just pleased to learn more.

TNX & 73,

Johnny VR2XMC

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Not so fast there, Phil. "73's" was in use before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.)

I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us "73" as a result of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. "Best regards," no need to pluralize that which is already plural.

As for the "3's & 8's" or "first personal," remember, it's a different service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi.

There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a "73's" or "QRT and standing by" to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW traffic there too, go figure.

As always, take care es...

Vy 73 de Bert (my "handle")
WA2SI

"...and all the pieces matter."
-- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD

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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: 'Q' signal trivia

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The way I look at it, "73" doesn't translate specifically to any
particular words (in English, or any other language). It's a
language-independent expression of good will to the other operator,
akin to verbal expressions in English like "all the best", "cheers",
etc. Given that, I don't think it's necessarily any less-valid to
pluralise it when morphing it into a verbal or textual expression in
English. Now.... is it "seven-three[s]", or "seventy-three[s]" when
spoken aloud??? ;)

73[[']s],

~iain

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Bert Craig <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> Not so fast there, Phil. "73's" was in use before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.)
>
> I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us "73" as a result of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. "Best regards," no need to pluralize that which is already plural.
>
> As for the "3's & 8's" or "first personal," remember, it's a different service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi.
>
> There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a "73's" or "QRT and standing by" to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW traffic there too, go figure.
>
> As always, take care es...
>
> Vy 73 de Bert (my "handle")
> WA2SI
>
> "...and all the pieces matter."
> -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD
>
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> To: "Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
> Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 18:49
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WA2SI

Re: 'Q' signal trivia

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The way I was taught it, the "literal" translation is "Best regards." This was also validated by some independent research by a curious young op - yours truly. Check it out, there is much on the subject on the web.

73 de Bert
WA2SI

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-- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD

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Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 20:46

The way I look at it, "73" doesn't translate specifically to any
particular words (in English, or any other language). It's a
language-independent expression of good will to the other operator,
akin to verbal expressions in English like "all the best", "cheers",
etc. Given that, I don't think it's necessarily any less-valid to
pluralise it when morphing it into a verbal or textual expression in
English. Now.... is it "seven-three[s]", or "seventy-three[s]" when
spoken aloud??? ;)

73[[']s],

~iain

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Bert Craig <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not so fast there, Phil. "73's" was in use before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.)
>
> I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us "73" as a result of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. "Best regards," no need to pluralize that which is already plural.
>
> As for the "3's & 8's" or "first personal," remember, it's a different service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi.
>
> There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a "73's" or "QRT and standing by" to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW traffic there too, go figure.
>
> As always, take care es...
>
> Vy 73 de Bert (my "handle")
> WA2SI
>
> "...and all the pieces matter."
> -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone----- Reply message -----
> From: "Phil Kane" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
> Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 18:49
>
>
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Nate Bargmann

Re: 'Q' signal trivia

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* On 2011 18 Jul 18:05 -0500, Gary Gregory wrote:
> OMG....my Handle....now that get(s) up my nose.....Grin

"The handle here is loose..."

And FP sounds a little...too...personal for my taste.

73, de Nate N0NB >>

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WA2SI

Re: 'Q' signal trivia

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Btw, know that this is pretty much academic for me as I very rarely use the spoken word ota as I operate 99.99% CW. I've yet to hear --... ...-- ... sent - hihi

73, Bert
WA2SI

"...and all the pieces matter."
-- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD

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Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 21:25

* On 2011 18 Jul 18:05 -0500, Gary Gregory wrote:
> OMG....my Handle....now that get(s) up my nose.....Grin

"The handle here is loose..."

And FP sounds a little...too...personal for my taste.

73, de Nate N0NB >>

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possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

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Bill Hammond

Re: 'Q' signal trivia-link to codes

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Many of you may fine the link attached interesting as it is the origin of our number codes. Journalists of a certain age may also see the -30- designation also used for some time as the end of a story. It has a long history.
http://www.civilwarsignals.org/pages/tele/wurules1866/92code.html
73,
Bill
AK5X

On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:46 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:

> The way I look at it, "73" doesn't translate specifically to any
> particular words (in English, or any other language). It's a
> language-independent expression of good will to the other operator,
> akin to verbal expressions in English like "all the best", "cheers",
> etc. Given that, I don't think it's necessarily any less-valid to
> pluralise it when morphing it into a verbal or textual expression in
> English. Now.... is it "seven-three[s]", or "seventy-three[s]" when
> spoken aloud??? ;)
>
> 73[[']s],
>
> ~iain
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Bert Craig <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not so fast there, Phil. "73's" was in use before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.)
>>
>> I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us "73" as a result of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. "Best regards," no need to pluralize that which is already plural.
>>
>> As for the "3's & 8's" or "first personal," remember, it's a different service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi.
>>
>> There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a "73's" or "QRT and standing by" to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW traffic there too, go figure.
>>
>> As always, take care es...
>>
>> Vy 73 de Bert (my "handle")
>> WA2SI
>>
>> "...and all the pieces matter."
>> -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD
>>