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Ed Stallman

Rear Panel Mic help ple

I' m trying to use a Heil PR 781 microphone on the K3 rear Mic jack
. With the settings I'm using now , I must scream into the Mic for
radio to transmit

Here are my settings.

Main:MIC-SEL I have set to RP, then taping the 1 sets to RPH

MIC GAIN = 60

VOX GAIN = 100

BIAS = OFF

ANTI-VOX = 0

DELAY = 5

VOX = on

Maybe the PR-781 is not a good choice or most likely I've missed a setting ?

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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: Rear Panel Mic help ple

Hi Ed,

Something is definitely not right there. I happen to have a PR-781 in
my closet (it's for sale, if anyone's interested - I only use headsets
now). I plugged it into my K3's rear input and configured:

MAIN:MIC-SEL: rP.H
MIC: 10
MAIN:VOX GN: 040

and it works great, with 5-7 bars on the ALC meter on voice peaks,
without yelling.

What are you seeing on the ALC meter? Try without VOX first, and make
sure you're getting those 5-7 bars (use the XMIT button if you don't
have an external PTT source).

Any chance you plugged yours into the line input instead of mic?

73,

~iain / N6ML

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I' m trying to use a Heil PR 781 microphone on the K3 rear Mic jack
> . With the settings I'm using now , I must scream into the Mic for
> radio to transmit
>
> Here are my settings.
>
> Main:MIC-SEL I have set to RP, then taping the 1 sets to RPH
>
> MIC GAIN = 60
>
> VOX GAIN = 100
>
> BIAS = OFF
>
> ANTI-VOX = 0
>
> DELAY = 5
>
> VOX = on
>
> Maybe the PR-781 is not a good choice or most likely I've missed a setting ?
>
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Ed Stallman

Re: Rear Panel Mic help ple

Iain , thanks for your input , I did look to be sure and I am plugged
into the Mic in the back ... Using the XMIT and monitoring the ALC
with Mic Gain at 60 , I get one bar on the alc meter...I was using
this Microphone and cable on a Flex 5K , Is the TRS plug wired the same ?

Ed

IainAt 03:08 PM 8/6/2011, you wrote:

>Hi Ed,
>
>Something is definitely not right there. I happen to have a PR-781 in
>my closet (it's for sale, if anyone's interested - I only use headsets
>now). I plugged it into my K3's rear input and configured:
>
>MAIN:MIC-SEL: rP.H
>MIC: 10
>MAIN:VOX GN: 040
>
>and it works great, with 5-7 bars on the ALC meter on voice peaks,
>without yelling.
>
>What are you seeing on the ALC meter? Try without VOX first, and make
>sure you're getting those 5-7 bars (use the XMIT button if you don't
>have an external PTT source).
>
>Any chance you plugged yours into the line input instead of mic?
>
>73,
>
> ~iain / N6ML
>
>
>
>On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I' m trying to use a Heil PR 781 microphone on the K3 rear Mic jack
> > . With the settings I'm using now , I must scream into the Mic for
> > radio to transmit
> >
> > Here are my settings.
> >
> > Main:MIC-SEL I have set to RP, then taping the 1 sets to RPH
> >
> > MIC GAIN = 60
> >
> > VOX GAIN = 100
> >
> > BIAS = OFF
> >
> > ANTI-VOX = 0
> >
> > DELAY = 5
> >
> > VOX = on
> >
> > Maybe the PR-781 is not a good choice or most likely I've missed
> a setting ?
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Rear Panel Mic help ple

Ed,

Definitely something wrong. How is your mic plug wired? You should
have the AF connected to the tip and the AF return (or shield) connected
to the shell.

If it is connected as a balanced microphone with the AF connected to the
tip and AF return connected to the ring, and a shield connected to the
shell, connect the ring to the shell. The K3 mic input is unbalanced.
Sorry, but I do not know how the Flex mic wiring is configured.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/6/2011 4:31 PM, Ed Stallman wrote:
> Iain , thanks for your input , I did look to be sure and I am plugged
> into the Mic in the back ... Using the XMIT and monitoring the ALC
> with Mic Gain at 60 , I get one bar on the alc meter...I was using
> this Microphone and cable on a Flex 5K , Is the TRS plug wired the same ?
>
> Ed
>
>
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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: Rear Panel Mic help ple

In reply to this post by Ed Stallman

Hi Ed,

I used an XLR - to - 1/4" cable that came with another mic, and a 1/4
- 1/8" adapter, for the quick test. Pin 2 on the XLR is connected to
the "tip". and pins 1 and 3 are both connected to the shield.

I don't know about the Flex - if it's really TRS, then maybe the Flex
has a balanced mic input? The K3 input is unbalanced ("mono"
connector),

73,

~iain / N6ML

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Iain , thanks for your input , I did look to be sure and I am plugged into
> the Mic in the back ... Using the XMIT and monitoring the ALC with Mic Gain
> at 60 , I get one bar on the alc meter...I was using this Microphone and
> cable on a Flex 5K , Is the TRS plug wired the same ?
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
> IainAt 03:08 PM 8/6/2011, you wrote:
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Something is definitely not right there. I happen to have a PR-781 in
> my closet (it's for sale, if anyone's interested - I only use headsets
> now). I plugged it into my K3's rear input and configured:
>
> MAIN:MIC-SEL: rP.H
> MIC: 10
> MAIN:VOX GN: 040
>
> and it works great, with 5-7 bars on the ALC meter on voice peaks,
> without yelling.
>
> What are you seeing on the ALC meter? Try without VOX first, and make
> sure you're getting those 5-7 bars (use the XMIT button if you don't
> have an external PTT source).
>
> Any chance you plugged yours into the line input instead of mic?
>
> 73,
>
> ~iain / N6ML
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I' m trying to use a Heil PR 781 microphone on the K3 rear Mic jack
>> . With the settings I'm using now , I must scream into the Mic for
>> radio to transmit
>>
>> Here are my settings.
>>
>> Main:MIC-SEL I have set to RP, then taping the 1 sets to RPH
>>
>> MIC GAIN = 60
>>
>> VOX GAIN = 100
>>
>> BIAS = OFF
>>
>> ANTI-VOX = 0
>>
>> DELAY = 5
>>
>> VOX = on
>>
>> Maybe the PR-781 is not a good choice or most likely I've missed a setting
>> ?
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: Rear Panel Mic help ple

PS. before I get nit-picked:) it's probably a "stereo" connector with
the "ring" not connected to anything.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:46 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> I used an XLR - to - 1/4" cable that came with another mic, and a 1/4
> - 1/8" adapter, for the quick test. Pin 2 on the XLR is connected to
> the "tip". and pins 1 and 3 are both connected to the shield.
>
> I don't know about the Flex - if it's really TRS, then maybe the Flex
> has a balanced mic input? The K3 input is unbalanced ("mono"
> connector),
>
> 73,
>
> ~iain / N6ML
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Iain , thanks for your input , I did look to be sure and I am plugged into
>> the Mic in the back ... Using the XMIT and monitoring the ALC with Mic Gain
>> at 60 , I get one bar on the alc meter...I was using this Microphone and
>> cable on a Flex 5K , Is the TRS plug wired the same ?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> IainAt 03:08 PM 8/6/2011, you wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Something is definitely not right there. I happen to have a PR-781 in
>> my closet (it's for sale, if anyone's interested - I only use headsets
>> now). I plugged it into my K3's rear input and configured:
>>
>> MAIN:MIC-SEL: rP.H
>> MIC: 10
>> MAIN:VOX GN: 040
>>
>> and it works great, with 5-7 bars on the ALC meter on voice peaks,
>> without yelling.
>>
>> What are you seeing on the ALC meter? Try without VOX first, and make
>> sure you're getting those 5-7 bars (use the XMIT button if you don't
>> have an external PTT source).
>>
>> Any chance you plugged yours into the line input instead of mic?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ~iain / N6ML
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I' m trying to use a Heil PR 781 microphone on the K3 rear Mic jack
>>> . With the settings I'm using now , I must scream into the Mic for
>>> radio to transmit
>>>
>>> Here are my settings.
>>>
>>> Main:MIC-SEL I have set to RP, then taping the 1 sets to RPH
>>>
>>> MIC GAIN = 60
>>>
>>> VOX GAIN = 100
>>>
>>> BIAS = OFF
>>>
>>> ANTI-VOX = 0
>>>
>>> DELAY = 5
>>>
>>> VOX = on
>>>
>>> Maybe the PR-781 is not a good choice or most likely I've missed a setting
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
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>>>
>

Ed Stallman

Re: Rear Panel Mic help ple

In reply to this post by Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Iain and Don , you guys are on the ball, Pin 2 on the XLR is the tip
, pin 3 is the ring and pin 1 is shield .. I don't have Mono tip,
shield so I will move the ring wire to the shield and give it a go
... I'll post the results.

Thanks Ed

At 03:46 PM 8/6/2011, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:
>Hi Ed,
>
>I used an XLR - to - 1/4" cable that came with another mic, and a 1/4

>- 1/8" adapter, for the quick test. Pin 2 on the XLR is connected to
>the "tip". and pins 1 and 3 are both connected to the shield.
>
>I don't know about the Flex - if it's really TRS, then maybe the Flex
>has a balanced mic input? The K3 input is unbalanced ("mono"
>connector),
>
>73,
>
> ~iain / N6ML
>
>
>On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Iain , thanks for your input , I did look to be sure and I am plugged into
> > the Mic in the back ... Using the XMIT and monitoring the ALC with Mic Gain
> > at 60 , I get one bar on the alc meter...I was using this Microphone and
> > cable on a Flex 5K , Is the TRS plug wired the same ?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > IainAt 03:08 PM 8/6/2011, you wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ed,
> >
> > Something is definitely not right there. I happen to have a PR-781 in
> > my closet (it's for sale, if anyone's interested - I only use headsets
> > now). I plugged it into my K3's rear input and configured:
> >
> > MAIN:MIC-SEL: rP.H
> > MIC: 10
> > MAIN:VOX GN: 040
> >
> > and it works great, with 5-7 bars on the ALC meter on voice peaks,
> > without yelling.
> >
> > What are you seeing on the ALC meter? Try without VOX first, and make
> > sure you're getting those 5-7 bars (use the XMIT button if you don't
> > have an external PTT source).
> >
> > Any chance you plugged yours into the line input instead of mic?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ~iain / N6ML
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> I' m trying to use a Heil PR 781 microphone on the K3 rear Mic jack
> >> . With the settings I'm using now , I must scream into the Mic for
> >> radio to transmit
> >>
> >> Here are my settings.
> >>
> >> Main:MIC-SEL I have set to RP, then taping the 1 sets to RPH
> >>
> >> MIC GAIN = 60
> >>
> >> VOX GAIN = 100
> >>
> >> BIAS = OFF
> >>
> >> ANTI-VOX = 0
> >>
> >> DELAY = 5
> >>
> >> VOX = on
> >>
> >> Maybe the PR-781 is not a good choice or most likely I've missed a setting
> >> ?
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> >> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
> >>
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> >>

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Rear Panel Mic help ple

Ed,

I would instead suggest that you open the TRS plug and connect the ring
to the shell there. The ring is not connected in the K3, but a stereo
jack is used. If the Flex uses a mono jack, the jack would have shorted
between the ring and sleeve and the mic would work.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/6/2011 5:14 PM, Ed Stallman wrote:

> Iain and Don , you guys are on the ball, Pin 2 on the XLR is the tip ,
> pin 3 is the ring and pin 1 is shield .. I don't have Mono tip, shield
> so I will move the ring wire to the shield and give it a go ... I'll
> post the results.
>
> Thanks Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 03:46 PM 8/6/2011, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> I used an XLR - to - 1/4" cable that came with another mic, and a 1/4
>
>
>
>
>> - 1/8" adapter, for the quick test. Pin 2 on the XLR is connected to
>> the "tip". and pins 1 and 3 are both connected to the shield.
>>
>> I don't know about the Flex - if it's really TRS, then maybe the Flex
>> has a balanced mic input? The K3 input is unbalanced ("mono"
>> connector),
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ~iain / N6ML
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > Iain , thanks for your input , I did look to be sure and I am
>> plugged into
>> > the Mic in the back ... Using the XMIT and monitoring the ALC with
>> Mic Gain
>> > at 60 , I get one bar on the alc meter...I was using this
>> Microphone and
>> > cable on a Flex 5K , Is the TRS plug wired the same ?
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > IainAt 03:08 PM 8/6/2011, you wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Ed,
>> >
>> > Something is definitely not right there. I happen to have a PR-781 in
>> > my closet (it's for sale, if anyone's interested - I only use headsets
>> > now). I plugged it into my K3's rear input and configured:
>> >
>> > MAIN:MIC-SEL: rP.H
>> > MIC: 10
>> > MAIN:VOX GN: 040
>> >
>> > and it works great, with 5-7 bars on the ALC meter on voice peaks,
>> > without yelling.
>> >
>> > What are you seeing on the ALC meter? Try without VOX first, and make
>> > sure you're getting those 5-7 bars (use the XMIT button if you don't
>> > have an external PTT source).
>> >
>> > Any chance you plugged yours into the line input instead of mic?
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > ~iain / N6ML
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> I' m trying to use a Heil PR 781 microphone on the K3 rear Mic jack
>> >> . With the settings I'm using now , I must scream into the Mic for
>> >> radio to transmit
>> >>
>> >> Here are my settings.
>> >>
>> >> Main:MIC-SEL I have set to RP, then taping the 1 sets to RPH
>> >>
>> >> MIC GAIN = 60
>> >>
>> >> VOX GAIN = 100
>> >>
>> >> BIAS = OFF
>> >>
>> >> ANTI-VOX = 0
>> >>
>> >> DELAY = 5
>> >>
>> >> VOX = on
>> >>
>> >> Maybe the PR-781 is not a good choice or most likely I've missed a
>> setting
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________________________________________
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>> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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Ed Stallman

Re: Rear Panel Mic help ple

In reply to this post by Ed Stallman

Iain , Don , thanks for the help on this , I moved the one wire and
now al is working as it should .I got on 40m made a couple contacts
with great reports

Thanks Ed N5DG

At 04:14 PM 8/6/2011, Ed Stallman wrote:

>Iain and Don , you guys are on the ball, Pin 2 on the XLR is the tip
>, pin 3 is the ring and pin 1 is shield .. I don't have Mono tip,
>shield so I will move the ring wire to the shield and give it a go
>... I'll post the results.
>
>Thanks Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 03:46 PM 8/6/2011, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:
> >Hi Ed,
> >
> >I used an XLR - to - 1/4" cable that came with another mic, and a 1/4
>
>
>
>
> >- 1/8" adapter, for the quick test. Pin 2 on the XLR is connected to
> >the "tip". and pins 1 and 3 are both connected to the shield.
> >
> >I don't know about the Flex - if it's really TRS, then maybe the Flex
> >has a balanced mic input? The K3 input is unbalanced ("mono"
> >connector),
> >
> >73,
> >
> > ~iain / N6ML
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Iain , thanks for your input , I did look to be sure and I am
> plugged into
> > > the Mic in the back ... Using the XMIT and monitoring the ALC
> with Mic Gain
> > > at 60 , I get one bar on the alc meter...I was using this Microphone and
> > > cable on a Flex 5K , Is the TRS plug wired the same ?
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IainAt 03:08 PM 8/6/2011, you wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ed,
> > >
> > > Something is definitely not right there. I happen to have a PR-781 in
> > > my closet (it's for sale, if anyone's interested - I only use headsets
> > > now). I plugged it into my K3's rear input and configured:
> > >
> > > MAIN:MIC-SEL: rP.H
> > > MIC: 10
> > > MAIN:VOX GN: 040
> > >
> > > and it works great, with 5-7 bars on the ALC meter on voice peaks,
> > > without yelling.
> > >
> > > What are you seeing on the ALC meter? Try without VOX first, and make
> > > sure you're getting those 5-7 bars (use the XMIT button if you don't
> > > have an external PTT source).
> > >
> > > Any chance you plugged yours into the line input instead of mic?
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > ~iain / N6ML
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Ed Stallman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >> I' m trying to use a Heil PR 781 microphone on the K3 rear Mic jack
> > >> . With the settings I'm using now , I must scream into the Mic for
> > >> radio to transmit
> > >>
> > >> Here are my settings.
> > >>
> > >> Main:MIC-SEL I have set to RP, then taping the 1 sets to RPH
> > >>
> > >> MIC GAIN = 60
> > >>
> > >> VOX GAIN = 100
> > >>
> > >> BIAS = OFF
> > >>
> > >> ANTI-VOX = 0
> > >>
> > >> DELAY = 5
> > >>
> > >> VOX = on
> > >>
> > >> Maybe the PR-781 is not a good choice or most likely I've
> missed a setting
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> ______________________________________________________________
> > >> Elecraft mailing list
> > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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