Reduced-height bail
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Recently I read something on this list about a reduced-height bail for
the K2. I think my K3 would be a bit easier to use if the height of the bail were reduced about in half, but so far as I can tell Elecraft doesn't offer sch an option. Is there an after-market supplier? -- 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Pete - Yes, Elecraft does offer a 1.5" high tilt-bail (they call it a tilt-stand). Part number ETS15. I purchased one of these for use with my K2, and another for the KPA100 / KAT100 combination that I built into a EC2 cabinet. The regular 3" tilt-stand that comes standard with the K2 was too high for my liking. Unfortunately, the new web site makes both the EC2 cabinet and the optional tilt stand somewhat hard to find. They are found on the K2 page, under "K2 and accessory pricing". You will have to search around a bit, but they are there. The current price for the ETS15 is 14.95. Seems a bit high for a piece of bent wire, but I guess you pays your money and takes your choice. This is one area where Elecraft could do it's customers a favor by offering a trade-in price, similar to what is sometimes offered for board upgrades. - Jim, KL7CC Pete Smith wrote: > Recently I read something on this list about a reduced-height bail for > the K2. > > I think my K3 would be a bit easier to use if the height of the bail > were reduced about in half, but so far as I can tell Elecraft doesn't > offer sch an option. Is there an after-market supplier? > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 7/5/2010 6:13 AM, Jim Wiley wrote:
> Yes, Elecraft does offer a 1.5" high tilt-bail (they call it a > tilt-stand). Part number ETS15. I purchased one of these for use with > my K2, and another for the KPA100 / KAT100 combination that I built > into a EC2 cabinet. The regular 3" tilt-stand that comes standard with > the K2 was too high for my liking. > ===== My K3 came with the short bail as the stock item. I agree that the 3" bail is a bit over the top. John Ragle -- W1ZI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Thanks! The current one only elevates the frot bottom edge of my K3 2
1/4", so I'm not sure a 1 1/2" tilt stand located an inch behind the front panel would be enough different to matter. Maybe I'll just fold it down and put something under the front edge. 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 On 7/5/2010 6:13 AM, Jim Wiley wrote: > > Pete - > > > Yes, Elecraft does offer a 1.5" high tilt-bail (they call it a > tilt-stand). Part number ETS15. I purchased one of these for use > with my K2, and another for the KPA100 / KAT100 combination that I > built into a EC2 cabinet. The regular 3" tilt-stand that comes > standard with the K2 was too high for my liking. > > Unfortunately, the new web site makes both the EC2 cabinet and the > optional tilt stand somewhat hard to find. They are found on the K2 > page, under "K2 and accessory pricing". You will have to search > around a bit, but they are there. The current price for the ETS15 is > 14.95. Seems a bit high for a piece of bent wire, but I guess you > pays your money and takes your choice. This is one area where > Elecraft could do it's customers a favor by offering a trade-in price, > similar to what is sometimes offered for board upgrades. > > - Jim, KL7CC > > > Pete Smith wrote: >> Recently I read something on this list about a reduced-height bail >> for the K2. >> >> I think my K3 would be a bit easier to use if the height of the bail >> were reduced about in half, but so far as I can tell Elecraft doesn't >> offer sch an option. Is there an after-market supplier? >> > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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That's what I had to do Pete. The bail is far too tall for me also.
After trying to whittle wood and bend metal, I finally cut some dense closed cell foam on my band saw and made a nice little riser for the front. 73 Tom > Thanks! The current one only elevates the frot bottom edge of my K3 2 > 1/4", so I'm not sure a 1 1/2" tilt stand located an inch behind the > front panel would be enough different to matter. Maybe I'll just fold > it down and put something under the front edge. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Actually that sounds reasonable. The item may not cost a whole lot
to manufacture, but by the time you add in the overhead cost of having it on hand, paying someone to take the order, go get it from stock, package and label it, and then give it to the shipper you end up with having to price things up a bit. Some companies deal with this by having large minimum orders or charging large handling fees making cheap prices not so cheap by the time it hits your door. David K0LUM > The current price for the ETS15 is >14.95. Seems a bit high for a piece of bent wire, but I guess you pays >your money and takes your choice. This is one area where Elecraft could >do it's customers a favor by offering a trade-in price, similar to what >is sometimes offered for board upgrades. > >- Jim, KL7CC > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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The typical cost to take a parts order and ship a part at Ameritron, back in
the 1980's, was about $20. That does not include the shipping fees, just the overhead to take an order, pick the part, pack the part, and do the shipping labels, handle the invoice or paperwork. Shipping small low cost parts is a service to customers, not a moneymaker. Hams don't realize the bargains they get on parts and equipment. Imagine the handling expenses, that would include expenses for inspecting returned parts, that would go with swapping out a part. Plus the new radios sold, if returned parts were installed, would contain used parts. Not a good idea at all. 73 Tom > Actually that sounds reasonable. The item may not cost a whole lot > to manufacture, but by the time you add in the overhead cost of > having it on hand, paying someone to take the order, go get it from > stock, package and label it, and then give it to the shipper you end > up with having to price things up a bit. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I am pretty sure that I have been told by someone at Elecraft that the K2 tilt bail does not fit the K3. My own solution is to fold the bail down and use a piece of 1x2 wood instead. The real long dimension of a 1x2 of course is 1 1/2" which seems the ideal height for me. Works for me, but if Elecraft indeed has one that fits I would order it next time I have something more important to order. I don't think $15 is unreasonable either. Spare parts are expensive.
AB2TC - Knut
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Interested to read comments on the bail height.. it has been removed here, along with the plastic holders. Replaced with taller screw-in rubber feet, these push the front panel upwards. The rear feet have also been changed to smaller flat rubber units, the chassis sits very firmly on most surfaces no problem. cheers paul zl1ajy |
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You guys must be too used to Yaesu radios , that I think are too low
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Come on people...get real.....but then the power cord on my k3 is too long fro the distance from the k3 to the 12 vdc supply...guess maybe an option on power cord length......
Come on get real and let this list do what it is intended for. If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM USSV DHARMA --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Jim Wiley <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Jim Wiley <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reduced-height bail > To: [hidden email] > Cc: "Elecraft List" <[hidden email]> > Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 12:13 AM > > Pete - > > > Yes, Elecraft does offer a 1.5" high tilt-bail (they call > it a > tilt-stand). Part number ETS15. I purchased one > of these for use with > my K2, and another for the KPA100 / KAT100 > combination that I built > into a EC2 cabinet. The regular 3" tilt-stand that > comes standard with > the K2 was too high for my liking. > > > Unfortunately, the new web site makes both the EC2 cabinet > and the > optional tilt stand somewhat hard to find. They are > found on the K2 > page, under "K2 and accessory pricing". You > will have to search > around a bit, but they are there. The current price > for the ETS15 is > 14.95. Seems a bit high for a piece of bent wire, but > I guess you pays > your money and takes your choice. This is one area > where Elecraft could > do it's customers a favor by offering a trade-in price, > similar to what > is sometimes offered for board upgrades. > > > - Jim, KL7CC > > > Pete Smith wrote: > > Recently I read something on this list about a > reduced-height bail for > > the K2. > > > > I think my K3 would be a bit easier to use if the > height of the bail > > were reduced about in half, but so far as I can tell > Elecraft doesn't > > offer sch an option. Is there an after-market > supplier? > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Yeah,
Don't start asking questions related to ELECRAFT so often. This list was starting to run just the way* I* want it to now [?] 73, Tony W7GO On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:57 PM, N1JM <[hidden email]> wrote: > > You guys must be too used to Yaesu radios , that I think are too low > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Reduced-height-bail-tp5255430p5257993.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I would respectfully suggest that this is exactly what this list
*should* be used for - hunting up answers *about Elecraft products* when your own efforts have not succeeded. As for this specific topic, ergonomics are important, particularly when you're talking contesting. My wrist gets a real crick in it because of the height of the dial on the K3. Others may differ, and maybe I will myself in time, but right now I'm hunting for just the right piece of wood. 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 On 7/5/2010 6:58 PM, ussv dharma wrote: > Come on people...get real.....but then the power cord on my k3 is too long fro the distance from the k3 to the 12 vdc supply...guess maybe an option on power cord length...... > > Come on get real and let this list do what it is intended for. > > > If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM USSV DHARMA > > > --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Jim Wiley<[hidden email]> wrote: > > >> From: Jim Wiley<[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reduced-height bail >> To: [hidden email] >> Cc: "Elecraft List"<[hidden email]> >> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 12:13 AM >> >> Pete - >> >> >> Yes, Elecraft does offer a 1.5" high tilt-bail (they call >> it a >> tilt-stand). Part number ETS15. I purchased one >> of these for use with >> my K2, and another for the KPA100 / KAT100 >> combination that I built >> into a EC2 cabinet. The regular 3" tilt-stand that >> comes standard with >> the K2 was too high for my liking. >> >> >> Unfortunately, the new web site makes both the EC2 cabinet >> and the >> optional tilt stand somewhat hard to find. They are >> found on the K2 >> page, under "K2 and accessory pricing". You >> will have to search >> around a bit, but they are there. The current price >> for the ETS15 is >> 14.95. Seems a bit high for a piece of bent wire, but >> I guess you pays >> your money and takes your choice. This is one area >> where Elecraft could >> do it's customers a favor by offering a trade-in price, >> similar to what >> is sometimes offered for board upgrades. >> >> >> - Jim, KL7CC >> >> >> Pete Smith wrote: >> >>> Recently I read something on this list about a >>> >> reduced-height bail for >> >>> the K2. >>> >>> I think my K3 would be a bit easier to use if the >>> >> height of the bail >> >>> were reduced about in half, but so far as I can tell >>> >> Elecraft doesn't >> >>> offer sch an option. Is there an after-market >>> >> supplier? >> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I totally agree. I don't think we have gotten a definitive answer as to whether the K2 bail will fit on the K3. I was under the impression that it does not. To another poster, no, I haven't gotten my habit from Yaesu radios, but rather the ICOM-718 with which I started my second "career" as a ham. The 1 1/2" (1 x 2 wood!) feels just right.
AB2TC - Knut
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The K3 bail is 6 3/8 inches between the mounting feet (not the centers),
and the K2 bail is not quite 5 inches. So they are not interchangeable - the length is different. Now, if one wanted to drill new holes in the K3 bottom cover, I guess the K2 bail could be made to fit - but I would not want to do that to mine. I have a tablesaw and the ability to make a wedge of wood most any height I want - so determine what height you want and find a friend who has a woodworking shop - sand the wedge block and finish it - put nonslip material on the top and bottom and you are done. Caution: cutting a wedge block on a tablesaw is not a trivial exercise, and can be a dangerous operation - don't try it if you are not experienced at using the proper safety procedures. Do not try to cut a small block without appropriate guides and pushsticks (which most do not have available). Cut a long piece and then trim it to length after the wedge is shaped. Be safe and retain all your fingers. 73, Don W3FPR ab2tc wrote: > I totally agree. I don't think we have gotten a definitive answer as to > whether the K2 bail will fit on the K3. I was under the impression that it > does not. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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The 2" height of the K3's tilt stand is a compromise: lower than the
K2, higher than some other rigs. We arrived at this height after a lot of experimentation, and would rather not change it. All of our tilt stands are custom-designed, so we incur significant tooling costs. The K2 tilt stands (1.5 and 2.5") will not fit on the K3. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I like it the way it is, sorta. I like the KISS approach. I put 1/4" coaster pads on the front feet only and got the optimum position for me. Thanks Wayne.
Mel --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reduced-height bail To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:27 PM The 2" height of the K3's tilt stand is a compromise: lower than the K2, higher than some other rigs. We arrived at this height after a lot of experimentation, and would rather not change it. All of our tilt stands are custom-designed, so we incur significant tooling costs. The K2 tilt stands (1.5 and 2.5") will not fit on the K3. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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