Reflectors, 73 and so on

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

I was one of the early users of the CQ-Contest reflector, back in the  
90s, and it was a long time before I became aware that hams were the
only ones who referred to these things as "reflectors" rather than
"m,ailing lists" or listservs".  It also used to be that anyone posting
on one of these reflectors would use his or her callsign and some form
of esoteric ham closing, like 73, 88, etc.

Am I alone in observing that these customs seem to be falling by the
wayside?  I flinch every time I see an unsigned message on one of the
reflectors.  It seems to me that people should want to be seen in a good
light by the 1-4 thousand people who will seeing their messages.  This
isn't instant messaging, where you're already known by the other party,
so why not take the second or two extra to let people know who you are
and that you're proud of it?

Or am I just an old curmudgeon?

--
73, Pete N4ZR

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[MontyS]

Pete,  I'll see your curmudgeon-ness and raise you a couple of gadflies.

That appears to be a fad; folks who have no desire to be identified or help, just to stir pots, make waves, and think it's funny.  The list manager here is working the issue, I know from his posts.

73, Monty K2DLJ

>
> Or am I just an old curmudgeon?
>
> --
> 73, Pete N4ZR
>

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[k5oai]

How about this novel idea
perhaps folks just can't resist clutering up the reflector with
topics completely devoid of anything Elecraft related
start using OT at the start of their message
to help folks who wish to set email filters for these
totally OFF TOPIC posts
so they can go straight to the trash

just saying
--
GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan


On 12/8/2010 7:16 AM, Pete Smith wrote:
 > I was one of the early users of the CQ-Contest reflector, back in the
 > 90s, and it was a long time before I became aware that hams were the
 > only ones who referred to these things as "reflectors" rather than
 > "m,ailing lists" or listservs".  It also used to be that anyone posting
 > on one of these reflectors would use his or her callsign and some form
 > of esoteric ham closing, like 73, 88, etc.
 >
 > Am I alone in observing that these customs seem to be falling by the
 > wayside?  I flinch every time I see an unsigned message on one of the
 > reflectors.  It seems to me that people should want to be seen in a good
 > light by the 1-4 thousand people who will seeing their messages.  This
 > isn't instant messaging, where you're already known by the other party,
 > so why not take the second or two extra to let people know who you are
 > and that you're proud of it?
 >
 > Or am I just an old curmudgeon?
 >


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[Barry]

Pete - Even though you're older than me, I can one-up you by saying I used the Internet (Usenet) in the mid-70s while in college and well as from home in the 80s with a UUCP emulator on my Commodore 64 :.)

Yes, I do prefer postings with name/callsign.  I believe it should be a list requirement, if it already isn't.  On a related note, I find it interesting (and perplexing) that the prolific, knowledgeable poster known as "The Smiths" has gone quiet since someone posted his name and callsign.

Barry W2UP

[Don Wilhelm-4]

  Pete,

I think the answer is simple - just do not respond to posts where the
sender does not want to identify himself.  I *might* try one response if
it looks like a sincere request for help from someone, but I will ask
that they identity (firstname and callsign) on any subsequent posts.

I proudly identify all my posts and anyone can look up my info at
QRZ.com.  We must identify on the air, so why not here too.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/8/2010 8:16 AM, Pete Smith wrote:
> Or am I just an old curmudgeon?

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[M0XDF]

most people do use OT - I have rules that trash anything that has K1, K2, KX1, KX-1 in the subject, if it comes from the reflector
--
Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe.
-Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642)

On 8 Dec 2010, at 13:39, Sam Morgan wrote:

> How about this novel idea
> perhaps folks just can't resist clutering up the reflector with
> topics completely devoid of anything Elecraft related
> start using OT at the start of their message
> to help folks who wish to set email filters for these
> totally OFF TOPIC posts
> so they can go straight to the trash
>
> just saying
> --
> GB & 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan

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[Jim Rogers, W4ATK]

Not at all, It is just plain courtesy to end your post with name and  
call sign on our amateur reflectors. It is beyond me as to why one  
would do otherwise.

73s Jim, W4ATK
http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk

On Dec 8, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

> I was one of the early users of the CQ-Contest reflector, back in the
> 90s, and it was a long time before I became aware that hams were the
> only ones who referred to these things as "reflectors" rather than
> "m,ailing lists" or listservs".  It also used to be that anyone  
> posting
> on one of these reflectors would use his or her callsign and some form
> of esoteric ham closing, like 73, 88, etc.
>
> Am I alone in observing that these customs seem to be falling by the
> wayside?  I flinch every time I see an unsigned message on one of the
> reflectors.  It seems to me that people should want to be seen in a  
> good
> light by the 1-4 thousand people who will seeing their messages.  This
> isn't instant messaging, where you're already known by the other  
> party,
> so why not take the second or two extra to let people know who you are
> and that you're proud of it?
>
> Or am I just an old curmudgeon?
>
> --
> 73, Pete N4ZR
>
> The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com
> The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at  
> reversebeacon.blogspot.com,
> spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000
>
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[John_N1JM]

If your name and call sign are part of your email address, why?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

END of this thread.

In general, discussion of what should and should not be posted to the
list is addressed by our list guidelines. Please do not post to the list
on this as it only serves to increase list noise level unacceptably.  If
you have an urge to comment, your best bet i to email the list moderator
(me ;-)

Also, while we allow non-Elecraft Ham Radio related postings, please
keep these to an absolute minimum. We really would like the vast
majority of postings to be Elecraft product related in the interest of
most of our list readers.

73, Eric
Elecraft List Moderator

> How about this novel idea
> perhaps folks just can't resist clutering up the reflector with
> topics completely devoid of anything Elecraft related
> start using OT at the start of their message
> to help folks who wish to set email filters for these
> totally OFF TOPIC posts
> so they can go straight to the trash
>
> just saying
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[Mike Reublin]

1). It's a rule on this reflector. Those who don't know that, haven't read the
periodic posting of the rules.
2) Your email address doesn't show up in the body of the message. Well maybe if you
have a sig line.
3) It's a courtesy us old fogeys  really really like.

73, Mike NF4L

On 12/8/2010 9:17 AM, N1JM wrote:
> If your name and call sign are part of your email address, why?


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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

As per the list guidelines, its perfectly OK to have your name and call
(if you have a call) show up just in the email from:  address. This
shows on all emails resent by the list server.

Let's end discussion on this topic as per my last posting ending the thread.

73, Eric   WA6HHQ
Elecraft List Moderator

> 1). It's a rule on this reflector. Those who don't know that, haven't read the
> periodic posting of the rules.
> 2) Your email address doesn't show up in the body of the message. Well maybe if you
> have a sig line.
> 3) It's a courtesy us old fogeys  really really like.
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> On 12/8/2010 9:17 AM, N1JM wrote:
>> If your name and call sign are part of your email address, why?
>
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