RemoteRig Microphone Question

[Jim Larson]

I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes.  With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all.  Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine.

Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element?

Thanks, Jim - KK7A


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[Mitch Wolfson, DJØQN / K7DX]

Jim,

Is the Heil plugged into the rear, or the front? If in the rea, then you
must first unplug the RRC to prevent a remote connect, then switch the
audio to the rear jack. If you leave the RRC's connected, you will only
change the remote K3 and not the control K3.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX

Mitch Wolfson DJØQN / K7DX
10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
Skype: mitchwo
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On 26.12.2016 20:27, Jim Larson wrote:

> I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes.  With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all.  Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine.
>
> Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element?
>
> Thanks, Jim - KK7A
>
>
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[Jim Larson]

Hi Mitch.  Thanks for the response.

The Heil is plugged into the front AUX/MIC jack.  The headset first goes through the adapter changing the 1/8” plug to plug compatible with the front of the K3S.  That plug then goes into a second adapter that converts it into the RJ45 plug that connects to the AUX/MIC jack.

From what I can gather, then iC element is a condenser type that must be powered.  I’m guessing the K3S supplies that voltage since it works locally.  The RemoteRig manual says the following:

"Control-RRC only: JMP-1 is placed behind the TTL connector. With the strap in place a DC voltage is feed to the microphone element. All ICOM microphones should be DC-feed. Dynamic microphones like the ones used by Kenwood should not be DC-feed. HEIL microphones should not be DC-feed either."
It kind of contradicts since it states that Hiel mics should not be DC fed, but maybe that was for the older HC4/5 elements.

Anyway, all of the pieces were purchase from Elecraft, so I would assume they would all work together.  :-)

Jim

> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Mitch Wolfson, DJØQN / K7DX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Is the Heil plugged into the rear, or the front? If in the rea, then you must first unplug the RRC to prevent a remote connect, then switch the audio to the rear jack. If you leave the RRC's connected, you will only change the remote K3 and not the control K3.
>
> 73,
> Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
>
> Mitch Wolfson DJØQN / K7DX
> 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
> Skype: mitchwo
> USA: Home:[phone] - Mobile:[phone]
> Germany: Home:[phone] - Mobile:[phone]
>
> On 26.12.2016 20:27, Jim Larson wrote:
>> I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes.  With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all.  Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine.
>>
>> Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element?
>>
>> Thanks, Jim - KK7A
>>
>>
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[Jim Larson]

I figured out what the problem was.

I was using the XMIT button on the front of the K3S to go to transmit mode.  The TX light turned on, but no audio was passed.  I then plugged in a foot switch on the mic cable and the remote goes into transmit mode and passes audio.

It appears to have been user error on my part, thinking that the XMIT button would do the trick.

Thanks for the input from a couple of guys.

73, Jim - KK7A

> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Jim Larson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Mitch.  Thanks for the response.
>
> The Heil is plugged into the front AUX/MIC jack.  The headset first goes through the adapter changing the 1/8” plug to plug compatible with the front of the K3S.  That plug then goes into a second adapter that converts it into the RJ45 plug that connects to the AUX/MIC jack.
>
> From what I can gather, then iC element is a condenser type that must be powered.  I’m guessing the K3S supplies that voltage since it works locally.  The RemoteRig manual says the following:
>
> "Control-RRC only: JMP-1 is placed behind the TTL connector. With the strap in place a DC voltage is feed to the microphone element. All ICOM microphones should be DC-feed. Dynamic microphones like the ones used by Kenwood should not be DC-feed. HEIL microphones should not be DC-feed either."
> It kind of contradicts since it states that Hiel mics should not be DC fed, but maybe that was for the older HC4/5 elements.
>
> Anyway, all of the pieces were purchase from Elecraft, so I would assume they would all work together.  :-)
>
> Jim
>
>
>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Mitch Wolfson, DJØQN / K7DX <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Is the Heil plugged into the rear, or the front? If in the rea, then you must first unplug the RRC to prevent a remote connect, then switch the audio to the rear jack. If you leave the RRC's connected, you will only change the remote K3 and not the control K3.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
>>
>> Mitch Wolfson DJØQN / K7DX
>> 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
>> Skype: mitchwo
>> USA: Home:[phone] - Mobile:[phone]
>> Germany: Home:[phone] - Mobile:[phone]
>>
>> On 26.12.2016 20:27, Jim Larson wrote:
>>> I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes.  With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all.  Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine.
>>>
>>> Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim - KK7A
>>>
>>>
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[Kidder, George]

The XMIT button should parallel the foot switch.  I would bet your
problem was pressing the button for too long - which activates the tune
function with (as you observe) no audio.  Just "tap" the button and it
should put you into transmit with audio.

73 - George - W3HBM


On 12/26/2016 11:57 PM, Jim Larson wrote:

> I figured out what the problem was.
>
> I was using the XMIT button on the front of the K3S to go to transmit mode.  The TX light turned on, but no audio was passed.  I then plugged in a foot switch on the mic cable and the remote goes into transmit mode and passes audio.
>
> It appears to have been user error on my part, thinking that the XMIT button would do the trick.
>
> Thanks for the input from a couple of guys.
>
> 73, Jim - KK7A
>
>
>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Jim Larson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mitch.  Thanks for the response.
>>
>> The Heil is plugged into the front AUX/MIC jack.  The headset first goes through the adapter changing the 1/8” plug to plug compatible with the front of the K3S.  That plug then goes into a second adapter that converts it into the RJ45 plug that connects to the AUX/MIC jack.
>>
>>  From what I can gather, then iC element is a condenser type that must be powered.  I’m guessing the K3S supplies that voltage since it works locally.  The RemoteRig manual says the following:
>>
>> "Control-RRC only: JMP-1 is placed behind the TTL connector. With the strap in place a DC voltage is feed to the microphone element. All ICOM microphones should be DC-feed. Dynamic microphones like the ones used by Kenwood should not be DC-feed. HEIL microphones should not be DC-feed either."
>> It kind of contradicts since it states that Hiel mics should not be DC fed, but maybe that was for the older HC4/5 elements.
>>
>> Anyway, all of the pieces were purchase from Elecraft, so I would assume they would all work together.  :-)
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Mitch Wolfson, DJØQN / K7DX <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Is the Heil plugged into the rear, or the front? If in the rea, then you must first unplug the RRC to prevent a remote connect, then switch the audio to the rear jack. If you leave the RRC's connected, you will only change the remote K3 and not the control K3.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
>>>
>>> Mitch Wolfson DJØQN / K7DX
>>> 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
>>> Skype: mitchwo
>>> USA: Home:[phone] - Mobile:[phone]
>>> Germany: Home:[phone] - Mobile:[phone]
>>>
>>> On 26.12.2016 20:27, Jim Larson wrote:
>>>> I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes.  With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all.  Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Jim - KK7A
>>>>
>>>>
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[Jim Larson]

I tested it again “just taping on the button” and verified that the XMIT button turns on the TX light, but no audio is sent to the remote end.  Maybe rigs like the K3/0 where you plug the mic into the rig directly, it may be different, but on the K3, the mic plugs into the RR control box directly.

Jim

> On Dec 27, 2016, at 12:56 PM, George Kidder <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The XMIT button should parallel the foot switch.  I would bet your problem was pressing the button for too long - which activates the tune function with (as you observe) no audio.  Just "tap" the button and it should put you into transmit with audio.
>
> 73 - George - W3HBM
>
>
> On 12/26/2016 11:57 PM, Jim Larson wrote:
>> I figured out what the problem was.
>>
>> I was using the XMIT button on the front of the K3S to go to transmit mode.  The TX light turned on, but no audio was passed.  I then plugged in a foot switch on the mic cable and the remote goes into transmit mode and passes audio.
>>
>> It appears to have been user error on my part, thinking that the XMIT button would do the trick.
>>
>> Thanks for the input from a couple of guys.
>>
>> 73, Jim - KK7A
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Jim Larson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mitch.  Thanks for the response.
>>>
>>> The Heil is plugged into the front AUX/MIC jack.  The headset first goes through the adapter changing the 1/8” plug to plug compatible with the front of the K3S.  That plug then goes into a second adapter that converts it into the RJ45 plug that connects to the AUX/MIC jack.
>>>
>>> From what I can gather, then iC element is a condenser type that must be powered.  I’m guessing the K3S supplies that voltage since it works locally.  The RemoteRig manual says the following:
>>>
>>> "Control-RRC only: JMP-1 is placed behind the TTL connector. With the strap in place a DC voltage is feed to the microphone element. All ICOM microphones should be DC-feed. Dynamic microphones like the ones used by Kenwood should not be DC-feed. HEIL microphones should not be DC-feed either."
>>> It kind of contradicts since it states that Hiel mics should not be DC fed, but maybe that was for the older HC4/5 elements.
>>>
>>> Anyway, all of the pieces were purchase from Elecraft, so I would assume they would all work together.  :-)
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Mitch Wolfson, DJØQN / K7DX <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Is the Heil plugged into the rear, or the front? If in the rea, then you must first unplug the RRC to prevent a remote connect, then switch the audio to the rear jack. If you leave the RRC's connected, you will only change the remote K3 and not the control K3.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
>>>>
>>>> Mitch Wolfson DJØQN / K7DX
>>>> 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
>>>> Skype: mitchwo
>>>> USA: Home:[phone] - Mobile:[phone]
>>>> Germany: Home:[phone] - Mobile:[phone]
>>>>
>>>> On 26.12.2016 20:27, Jim Larson wrote:
>>>>> I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes.  With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all.  Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Jim - KK7A
>>>>>
>>>>>
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