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john@kk9a.com

Remove Me

Actually half of the posts not even pertain to Elecraft products. I keep
my subscription on vacation hold and just read the archives at my leisure.
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John KK9A

From: Jose N2LRB
Fri May 26 10:49:48 EDT 2017

Hi,

Please remove me from the daily list. I will look at the web forum instead.
I find that most of what is put on the e-mail listing does not pertain to me
or my situation.

Jose

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George Thornton

Re: Remove Me

The value of mail lists is the ability to share information. The curse is the tendency for things to grow out of control.

I handle this by creating a rule in Outlook that automatically shunts my listserve messages to a separate folder. That way it is there if I want to look at it but is otherwise out of the way.

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Actually half of the posts not even pertain to Elecraft products. I keep
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John KK9A

From: Jose N2LRB
Fri May 26 10:49:48 EDT 2017

Hi,

Please remove me from the daily list. I will look at the web forum instead.
I find that most of what is put on the e-mail listing does not pertain to me
or my situation.

Jose

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List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal sale.
But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a new toy from another vendor.

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Ken G Kopp

Re: List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

Harry,

I completely disagree.

73

K0PP

On May 27, 2017 9:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
> a new toy from another vendor.
>
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Dean L

Re: List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

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'Face in the crowd"? Are you serious? Take a look around... Elecraft is a
humble operation that strives to make a quality product at affordable price.

Never had a sip of the kool-aid, just a content customer.

Good luck with your search.

Signed (proudly)

Dean M LaClair

On May 27, 2017 11:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
[hidden email]> wrote:

Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT-2

Re: List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

There is an absolutely wonderful tool called PopFile that sits between
your mail client and your mail server, reads all your incoming mail and
classifies it.

You set up folders, call them K3S or KX3 or Antennas or QRM, and you
start clicking on messages and telling PopFile "this is Antennas" or
"This is QRM" and after the first half-dozen are classified, you only
click on "errors."

You don't even have to know why QRM is QRM.

I respectfully submit that those who think this (relatively quiet and
fairly tame) list is a problem spend a little time with PopFile.

73 -- Lynn

On 5/27/2017 9:01 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

> Harry,
>
> I completely disagree.
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
>
> On May 27, 2017 9:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
>> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
>> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
>> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
>> personal sale.
>> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
>> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
>> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
>> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
>> Elecraft web page.
>> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
>> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
>> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
>> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
>> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
>> a new toy from another vendor.
>>
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Grant Youngman-2

Re: List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

Currently, the only “list overload” is now the multiple threads on list overload …. something like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342

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NK7Z

Re: List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

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I have to agree with Harry here... All interesting subjects for the
most part, but this is an Elecraft list. Talking about antenna because
they plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to call it
Elecraft related...

Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic... It would
help us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT", (Off
Topic), to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
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On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a new toy from another vendor.
>
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Michael Walker

Re: List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

I'm not saying anything.

de va3mw

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have to agree with Harry here... All interesting subjects for the most
> part, but this is an Elecraft list. Talking about antenna because they
> plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to call it Elecraft
> related...
>
> Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic... It would help
> us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT", (Off Topic),
> to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
>> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
>> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
>> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
>> personal sale.
>> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
>> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
>> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
>> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
>> Elecraft web page.
>> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
>> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
>> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
>> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look
>> at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already
>> gotten a new toy from another vendor.
>>
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NK7Z

Re: List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

Let me clarify my post... I agree with Harry in that there are a lot of
off topic discussions. The Elecraft related stuff, like covers,
accessories, which were designed for Elecraft products, etc., are not
the issue for me.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/27/2017 01:51 PM, Michael Walker wrote:

> I'm not saying anything.
>
> de va3mw
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Dave Cole <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> I have to agree with Harry here... All interesting subjects for the
> most part, but this is an Elecraft list. Talking about antenna
> because they plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to
> call it Elecraft related...
>
> Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic... It would
> help us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT",
> (Off Topic), to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some
> tohawk their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap
> boxdroning on about off topic subjects for far longer than they
> need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for
> a personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive
> audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other
> spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I
> just unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very
> occasionally visit the Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business
> elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into
> being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of
> the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I
> finallydo look at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy
> it becauseI've already gotten a new toy from another vendor.
>
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Alan - G4GNX

KPAIO3 modification - E740287

In reply to this post by Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT-2

I'm in the process of upgrading our club's K3, new synth, DSP and a stack of
small mods.

I've come up against an issue that's causing me some confusion. The mod for
the KPAIO3 consist of a small electrolytic capacitor soldered to two pins on
the KPAIO3 module. I have two versions of instructions, one dated April 13
2016 - Revision A and the other dated August 10 2016 - Revision B. I presume
that Rev B supersedes Rev A, so I should follow Rev B?

The images on both sheets appear to show the KPAIO3A module, but describe
the KPAIO3 module, so I presume for the purpose of modding they're the same,
however the Negative lead of the new capacitor is shown going to different
points on the module, depending which instruction sheet is viewed and
looking at the trace layout on either, this doesn't make sense. Besides
that, the trace layout on the module that I have is different to both of the
paper descriptions.

Can anyone shed any light on this conundrum or know if any addendum has been
issued?

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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David Gilbert

Re: List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

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note : personal reply

Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with
Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts. Talk about
dripping with irony.

Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic
headers and delete the messages you don't want to see. I mean really
trivial. I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day
from various lists in about thirty seconds. You spent enough time
writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a
month's equivalent.

Your post merely sounds petulant. Grow up.

On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

WA2SI

Re: List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

I agree 100%! It's really a form of bullying censorship. Learn how to set up rules in your e-mail client. Failing that, use the 'Del' key. Geez!

Imagine coming across a QSO ota that we don't want to participate in. Rather than QSY, we ask the active participants to cease their QSO. Ick!

73 de Bert
WA2SI

Sent from my android device.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Gilbert <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:48
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

note : personal reply

Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with
Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts. Talk about
dripping with irony.

Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic
headers and delete the messages you don't want to see. I mean really
trivial. I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day
from various lists in about thirty seconds. You spent enough time
writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a
month's equivalent.

Your post merely sounds petulant. Grow up.

On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

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Alan - G4GNX

Re: KPAIO3 modification - E740287

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Hi Ron.

Thanks for the confirmation. I figured out that Rev A was a mistake, after
looking at the fan connector and fan supply orientation. Had Rev A been used
it wouldn't have been a disaster, but the mod would have had no effect, as
it connected both ends of the capacitor to the positive fan supply! Oops! I
haven't seen any errata but it doesn't matter now.

My KPAIO3 module isn't the same layout as the ones shown, but the actual
connections are the same to the fans.

Well, I completed all of the mods, so now to put it all back together. <g>

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 5:37 PM
To: 'G4GNX' ; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPAIO3 modification - E740287

Hi Alan:

Use Rev B. Rev A of the instructions had an error that was corrected by an
errata. Apparently you don't have that errata. The change was subsequently
included in the Rev B printing.

73, Ron AC7AC

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David Gow

Re: List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.

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As a relatively new owner of an Elecraft KX3 and all related accessories
this list has been of immense help to me. It is far more interesting and
well behaved than some other ham lists I read. When I did sell an Elecraft
manufactured accessory it sold in one hour.at my stated fair price and I
felt good about not selling it on a n auction site.

73, Dave W7VM

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Bert Craig <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I agree 100%! It's really a form of bullying censorship. Learn how to set
> up rules in your e-mail client. Failing that, use the 'Del' key. Geez!
>
> Imagine coming across a QSO ota that we don't want to participate in.
> Rather than QSY, we ask the active participants to cease their QSO. Ick!
>
> 73 de Bert
> WA2SI
>
> Sent from my android device.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Gilbert <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:48
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
> Elecraft's business.
>
>
> note : personal reply
>
> Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with
> Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts. Talk about
> dripping with irony.
>
> Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic
> headers and delete the messages you don't want to see. I mean really
> trivial. I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day
> from various lists in about thirty seconds. You spent enough time
> writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a
> month's equivalent.
>
> Your post merely sounds petulant. Grow up.
>
>
>
> On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> > The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> > It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> > But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> > (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> > What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> > Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> > When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> > just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> > So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look
> at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already
> gotten a new toy from another vendor.
> >
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