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Phil LaMarche-2
I'm considering he purchase of a K3 to replace my 756 Pro III.  I have
wonderful audio with the Icom and would like some comments on the K3 audio
and microphone recommendations for the best audio w/o external help. I'm
going to get it pretty well loaded.
 
Thanks
 
Phil
 

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RE: Request

Darwin, Keith
Are you asking about RX audio, TX audio or both?  SSB, AM, FM, or (for
RX) CW?

For CW, I find the K3 to be the 3rd best audio I've ever had.  The Drake
2B and K1 both had smoother sweeter sounding CW tones but their AGC left
a lot to be desired.  The K2 was 3rd in line with good sounding CW and
good AGC.  I place the K3 just a bit behind the K2 in terms of raw
smooth CW tone but the rig takes top position when you factor in the
rest of the things that matter in a CW receiver.

SSB - I haven't a clue.  I haven't even hooked a mic up to the rig.
 
- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -

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I'm considering he purchase of a K3 to replace my 756 Pro III.  I have
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help. I'm going to get it pretty well loaded.
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PD2R
I assume your are talking about TX audio because you are asking about what microphone we recommend.
You can use pretty much every microphone you can find and get good audio reports. You can adjust the K3 so it will accept a very wide range of microphones. Some of us get good reports with a cheap gaming headset, others use more expensive headsets like the Heil Pro Set Plus. You can't really go wrong.
 
73, Maarten
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I'm considering he purchase of a K3 to replace my 756 Pro III.  I have
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Re: Request

k0wa@swbell.net
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Phil....

I gave up a 756 PRO II for the K3.  I was going to keep the rig but after a week of using the K3 I put it on the market.  Why?  Well, I use to own a 765 which has the sweetest audio I've ever heard on a rig.  IMHO.  The K3 audio is as sweet or better than the 765.  I've always had issues with the 756 PRO II audio because I was so fatigued after a contest.  Not so with the K3.  The K3's audio is very good. 

Lee Buller - K0WA


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From: Phil LaMarche <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] Request
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Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:08 AM

I'm considering he purchase of a K3 to replace my 756 Pro III.  I have
wonderful audio with the Icom and would like some comments on the K3 audio
and microphone recommendations for the best audio w/o external help. I'm
going to get it pretty well loaded.

Thanks

Phil


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Re: Request - Part II

k0wa@swbell.net
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After reading your post again.....I found that I was a little off as to what you wanted.  The audio xmit is great for the K3...and has gotten better with firmware upgrades over the last several months.  You can tailor the audio Xmit for your voice and the microphone you are using.  It is quite versatile in the xmit audio chain, but tI am sure you are going to have to play with it to get the audio you want.

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Subject: [Elecraft] Request
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Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:08 AM

I'm considering he purchase of a K3 to replace my 756 Pro III.  I have
wonderful audio with the Icom and would like some comments on the K3 audio
and microphone recommendations for the best audio w/o external help. I'm
going to get it pretty well loaded.

Thanks

Phil


Philip LaMarche
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RE: Request

Phil LaMarche-2
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Thank you Lee, however, I should have been more descriptive.  I am asking about TX audio.  For receiving, I feed all radio's into a 100 watt amplifier and then to two good book case speakers mounted on the wall and pointed at me.  That's the best.
 
Phil
 

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From: Lee Buller [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:09 PM
To: Phil LaMarche; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Request

Phil....

I gave up a 756 PRO II for the K3.  I was going to keep the rig but after a week of using the K3 I put it on the market.  Why?  Well, I use to own a 765 which has the sweetest audio I've ever heard on a rig.  IMHO.  The K3 audio is as sweet or better than the 765.  I've always had issues with the 756 PRO II audio because I was so fatigued after a contest.  Not so with the K3.  The K3's audio is very good. 

Lee Buller - K0WA


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--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Phil LaMarche <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Subject: [Elecraft] Request
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:08 AM

I'm considering he purchase of a K3 to replace my 756 Pro III.  I have
wonderful audio with the Icom and would like some comments on the K3 audio
and microphone recommendations for the best audio w/o external help. I'm
going to get it pretty well loaded.

Thanks

Phil


Philip LaMarche
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www.w9dvm.com <http://www.w9dvm.com/>
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RE: Request

Darwin, Keith
Uh, actually, I don't think that is the best.  Feeding the rigs through a stereo amp to stereo speakers will certainly give you more frequency response and may smooth the midrange some, but it will also give you much more high freq noise and low freq rumble.  It may make signals harder to copy (although they'll sound nice when they're strong).
 
Of course, who am I to talk.  I use hi-fi headphones all the time.
 
Even with hi-fi speakers / headphones, the quality & character of the receive audio varies widely amongst ham rigs.  Some sound harsh - spiky - jumpy - and just plain loud no matter what the volume setting.  Some sound sweet & smooth.  Using great speakers or headphones will let you hear the differences but they won't make the harsh sound go away.
 
- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -


From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil LaMarche
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To: 'Lee Buller'; 'Elecraft Reflector'
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For receiving, I feed all radio's into a 100 watt amplifier and then to two good book case speakers mounted on the wall and pointed at me.  That's the best.
 
Phil

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Sound perception

hf4me
IMHO, Sound perception is probably one of the most variable things of all.  For instance, MY hearing is 10 dB down up to about 1500 Hz and by 1700 Hz it is 50 dB down for the remainder of the spectrum.  I asked the audiologist what was considered totally deaf - she said 70 dB was deaf.  (and I thought I could hear just fine, almost, except for my wife (higher frequency and softer voice)and I didn't need to hear her anyway, LOL)
 
Does anyone think the way I adjust my audio would be the same as the way they like it.  I doubt it.  Trying to answer a question of what is the best for audio for any one person OR situation is virtually impossible.
 
I do use the original Heil headset with the HC4 element and the original Goldline with the HC5 and full-range elements.
 
73, Jim

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RE: Request

Barry N1EU
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Phil LaMarche-2 wrote
Thank you Lee, however, I should have been more descriptive.  I am asking
about TX audio.  
I ran K3 ssb transmit passband plots and posted them on the bottom of the web page at http://n1eu.com/K3/K3_notes.htm - these were run with flat TX EQ.

73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: Sound perception

Brian Lloyd-6
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On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Jim Miller wrote:

> IMHO, Sound perception is probably one of the most variable things  
> of all.  For instance, MY hearing is 10 dB down up to about 1500 Hz  
> and by 1700 Hz it is 50 dB down for the remainder of the spectrum.  
> I asked the audiologist what was considered totally deaf - she said  
> 70 dB was deaf.  (and I thought I could hear just fine, almost,  
> except for my wife (higher frequency and softer voice)and I didn't  
> need to hear her anyway, LOL)
>
> Does anyone think the way I adjust my audio would be the same as the  
> way they like it.  I doubt it.  Trying to answer a question of what  
> is the best for audio for any one person OR situation is virtually  
> impossible.
>
> I do use the original Heil headset with the HC4 element and the  
> original Goldline with the HC5 and full-range elements.

Well, there are two parts to this. One is a function of frequency  
response and the other is a function of distortion products. Many of  
us are suffering from varying degrees of hearing loss. I suffer from  
tinnitus (ringing of the ears) which can mask some of the high-
frequency content from the voice, usually women's voices. (My wife  
occasionally accuses me of selective hearing. :-) Anyway, I do benefit  
from using headphones and providing a bit of a boost to the higher  
frequencies, e.g. starting at around 1KHz with boost increasing to  
around +6dB at 3KHz. You can make this sort of improvement with a  
graphical or parametric equalizer. (I prefer parametric myself but  
they are hard to come by.)

Distortion products typically impart either a "warm, fat sound"; i.e.  
low order, mostly 2nd harmonic; or a "hard, edgy sound"; i.e. high  
order. Either can obscure readability to some extent. One of the  
reasons the old tube rigs were so pleasant to listen to is because  
they had almost no high-order distortion. It was almost all 2nd and a  
touch of 3rd. I could listen to my Hammerlund HQ-180X all day and all  
night very happily with no ear fatigue.

If you suffer from that hard, edgy, fatiguing sound, try stealing the  
signal before it gets to the built-in audio amp and feed it to a good  
hi-fi amp to see what you hear. Get the signal right from the detector  
if you can. It can make a *huge* difference. (My experience is that  
most manufacturers of ham gear really skimp on the quality of the  
audio chain.)

Brian Lloyd
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future ham gear and Sound perception

Charly

Future ham gear, given our advancing ages, should include:

-larger and single function buttons for Parkinsons folks, and

everyone else, too.

-high freq audio boost and eq. and "balance" control to feed

more to one ear than the other.

-footswitch option is easy to add (feet work, hands do not).

-LARGE dial and large clear-contrast print on sw labels.

-Big RTTY/data readout on front pannel for those that can not

hear much anymore or for those whose speech is now impaired.

-Lots of automatic functions for often-repeated items.

Notice now few of these factors are on the K3, sad to say.

73,


Charles Harpole

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> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sound perception
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:00:58 +0000
> CC: [hidden email]
>
> On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>
>> IMHO, Sound perception is probably one of the most variable things
>> of all. For instance, MY hearing is 10 dB down up to about 1500 Hz
>> and by 1700 Hz it is 50 dB down for the remainder of the spectrum.
>> I asked the audiologist what was considered totally deaf - she said
>> 70 dB was deaf. (and I thought I could hear just fine, almost,
>> except for my wife (higher frequency and softer voice)and I didn't
>> need to hear her anyway, LOL)
>>
>> Does anyone think the way I adjust my audio would be the same as the
>> way they like it. I doubt it. Trying to answer a question of what
>> is the best for audio for any one person OR situation is virtually
>> impossible.
>>
>> I do use the original Heil headset with the HC4 element and the
>> original Goldline with the HC5 and full-range elements.
>
> Well, there are two parts to this. One is a function of frequency
> response and the other is a function of distortion products. Many of
> us are suffering from varying degrees of hearing loss. I suffer from
> tinnitus (ringing of the ears) which can mask some of the high-
> frequency content from the voice, usually women's voices. (My wife
> occasionally accuses me of selective hearing. :-) Anyway, I do benefit
> from using headphones and providing a bit of a boost to the higher
> frequencies, e.g. starting at around 1KHz with boost increasing to
> around +6dB at 3KHz. You can make this sort of improvement with a
> graphical or parametric equalizer. (I prefer parametric myself but
> they are hard to come by.)
>
> Distortion products typically impart either a "warm, fat sound"; i.e.
> low order, mostly 2nd harmonic; or a "hard, edgy sound"; i.e. high
> order. Either can obscure readability to some extent. One of the
> reasons the old tube rigs were so pleasant to listen to is because
> they had almost no high-order distortion. It was almost all 2nd and a
> touch of 3rd. I could listen to my Hammerlund HQ-180X all day and all
> night very happily with no ear fatigue.
>
> If you suffer from that hard, edgy, fatiguing sound, try stealing the
> signal before it gets to the built-in audio amp and feed it to a good
> hi-fi amp to see what you hear. Get the signal right from the detector
> if you can. It can make a *huge* difference. (My experience is that
> most manufacturers of ham gear really skimp on the quality of the
> audio chain.)
>
> Brian Lloyd
> Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl
> brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.791.912.8170 (fax)
>
> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
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Re: Request

-.-.  --.-N3TU -.-.  --.-
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I found out that the hand mic from Elecraft works best on the EQ. I have tried different "studio" style mics and it seems like the EQ goes wider with the one from Elecraft. (MH2). The next best mic in second place was one of the gamers mics with the foot pedal. The Kenwood and the ADI radio plugs work on Elecraft if you use a headset with a foot pedal. It's amazing that I can get more lows and highs from the little hand mic and had confirmed my findings over air. The stations I've talked told me that the hand mic sounds deeper, richer and more brilliant on the EQ than the other mics that were adjusted again on the EQ again. I think the money was well spent on the hand mic and have no regrets.  



Phil LaMarche-2 wrote
I'm considering he purchase of a K3 to replace my 756 Pro III.  I have
wonderful audio with the Icom and would like some comments on the K3 audio
and microphone recommendations for the best audio w/o external help. I'm
going to get it pretty well loaded.
 
Thanks
 
Phil
 

Philip LaMarche
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Re: future ham gear and Sound perception

Simon (HB9DRV)
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I agree 100%,

However Wayne and Eric did state that the aim was to build a small easily
portable radio.

K4 maybe ?

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com

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> Notice now few of these factors are on the K3, sad to say.

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Re: Request

Stephen  Prior
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This has been exactly my experience too.  The MH-2 is superb and regularly
receives unsolicited reports of excellent audio.  My only criticism of it is
that the ptt spring is too strong!

73 Stephen G4SJP
K3, K2, KX-1


On 05/11/2008 05:37, "-.-.  --.-N3TU -.-.  --.-" <[hidden email]>
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>
>
> I found out that the hand mic from Elecraft works best on the EQ. I have
> tried different "studio" style mics and it seems like the EQ goes wider with
> the one from Elecraft. (MH2). The next best mic in second place was one of
> the gamers mics with the foot pedal. The Kenwood and the ADI radio plugs
> work on Elecraft if you use a headset with a foot pedal. It's amazing that I
> can get more lows and highs from the little hand mic and had confirmed my
> findings over air. The stations I've talked told me that the hand mic sounds
> deeper, richer and more brilliant on the EQ than the other mics that were
> adjusted again on the EQ again. I think the money was well spent on the hand
> mic and have no regrets.
>
>
>
>
> Phil LaMarche-2 wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering he purchase of a K3 to replace my 756 Pro III.  I have
>> wonderful audio with the Icom and would like some comments on the K3 audio
>> and microphone recommendations for the best audio w/o external help. I'm
>> going to get it pretty well loaded.
>>  
>> Thanks
>>  
>> Phil
>>  
>>
>> Philip LaMarche
>> LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
>> www.instantgourmetspices.com <http://www.instantgourmetspices.com/>
>>
>> www.w9dvm.com <http://www.w9dvm.com/>
>> 800-395-7795 pin 02
>> 727-944-3226
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Re: Request

K7TV
When I received my MH-2, I almost put it up for sale because it is so bulky
in the
hand, especially with the non-removable hanger, and yes, the ptt button is a
bit of
a pain. Then I listened to it with the monitor and found that the sound
quality is
much better than the dynamic Kenwood mike I was comparing it to. The MH-2
stays! In fact in other audio applications I have always found that an
electret mike
is superior to a dynamic.

Erik K7TV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Prior" <[hidden email]>
To: "elecraft" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: Re[Elecraft] quest


> This has been exactly my experience too.  The MH-2 is superb and regularly
> receives unsolicited reports of excellent audio.  My only criticism of it
> is
> that the ptt spring is too strong!
>
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
> K3, K2, KX-1
>
>
> On 05/11/2008 05:37, "-.-.  --.-N3TU -.-.  --.-"
> <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I found out that the hand mic from Elecraft works best on the EQ. I have
>> tried different "studio" style mics and it seems like the EQ goes wider
>> with
>> the one from Elecraft. (MH2). The next best mic in second place was one
>> of
>> the gamers mics with the foot pedal. The Kenwood and the ADI radio plugs
>> work on Elecraft if you use a headset with a foot pedal. It's amazing
>> that I
>> can get more lows and highs from the little hand mic and had confirmed my
>> findings over air. The stations I've talked told me that the hand mic
>> sounds
>> deeper, richer and more brilliant on the EQ than the other mics that were
>> adjusted again on the EQ again. I think the money was well spent on the
>> hand
>> mic and have no regrets.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil LaMarche-2 wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm considering he purchase of a K3 to replace my 756 Pro III.  I have
>>> wonderful audio with the Icom and would like some comments on the K3
>>> audio
>>> and microphone recommendations for the best audio w/o external help. I'm
>>> going to get it pretty well loaded.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>> Philip LaMarche
>>> LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
>>> www.instantgourmetspices.com <http://www.instantgourmetspices.com/>
>>>
>>> www.w9dvm.com <http://www.w9dvm.com/>
>>> 800-395-7795 pin 02
>>> 727-944-3226
>>> FAX 727-937-8834
>>> NASFT 30210
>>> W9DVM
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: future ham gear and Sound perception

Ian Maude
In reply to this post by Charly
Charles Harpole wrote:

> Future ham gear, given our advancing ages, should include:
>
> -larger and single function buttons for Parkinsons folks, and
>
> everyone else, too.
>
> -high freq audio boost and eq. and "balance" control to feed
>
> more to one ear than the other.
>
> -footswitch option is easy to add (feet work, hands do not).
>
> -LARGE dial and large clear-contrast print on sw labels.
>
> -Big RTTY/data readout on front pannel for those that can not
>
> hear much anymore or for those whose speech is now impaired.
>
> -Lots of automatic functions for often-repeated items.
>
> Notice now few of these factors are on the K3, sad to say.
>
> 73,
>  
Charles, as you much prefer yout FT-9000 and the buttons and screen on
the K3 are not to your liking, it makes me wonder why you simply do not
sell your K3!

73 Ian

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Re: Request

gm3sek
In reply to this post by Stephen Prior
Stephen Prior wrote:
>This has been exactly my experience too.  The MH-2 is superb and
>regularly receives unsolicited reports of excellent audio.  My only
>criticism of it is that the ptt spring is too strong!
>

Cut about two turns off the spring. If that feels too light, stretch the
spring a little.

While you have the mic open, notice that it contains no RFI/transient
suppression components (none needed here, but YMMV).

Reassembly is much easier if you don't have to fight a compressed
spring, so squeeze the retaining latch on the PTT button and slide it
part-way out. Then screw the case together and click the PTT button back
into place.


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re elecraft mics

Fern Rivard
In reply to this post by K7TV
Good morning Erik:  If you would like a good comparison between a dynamic mic and the MH-2 electret mic, I would be glad to do it with you. I am using a dynamic mic normally used with a commercial vhf/uhf mobile which also has the UP/DOWN keys and have compared with the electret MH-2 hand mic and there is really no comparison. With the MH-2, I have to fiddle around with the transmit audio equilizer while the  dynamic mic is perfect as is.Now a problem with the MH-2 is that the curly cord is way too stiff while the dynamic mic that I use has a nice long super flexible curly cord. I have also tried a Kenwood dynamic hand mic but found that the audio from that mic really sucked as it has way to much bass which can be compensated some but it still is no match for my commercial hand mic.  73 from Fern with K3 #412
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From: "Erik N Basilier" <[hidden email]>
To: "elecraft" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: Re[Elecraft] quest


When I received my MH-2, I almost put it up for sale because it is so bulky
in the
hand, especially with the non-removable hanger, and yes, the ptt button is a
bit of
a pain. Then I listened to it with the monitor and found that the sound
quality is
much better than the dynamic Kenwood mike I was comparing it to. The MH-2
stays! In fact in other audio applications I have always found that an
electret mike
is superior to a dynamic.

Erik K7TV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Prior" <[hidden email]>
To: "elecraft" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: Re[Elecraft] quest


> This has been exactly my experience too.  The MH-2 is superb and regularly
> receives unsolicited reports of excellent audio.  My only criticism of it
> is
> that the ptt spring is too strong!
>
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
> K3, K2, KX-1
>
>
> On 05/11/2008 05:37, "-.-.  --.-N3TU -.-.  --.-"
> <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I found out that the hand mic from Elecraft works best on the EQ. I have
>> tried different "studio" style mics and it seems like the EQ goes wider
>> with
>> the one from Elecraft. (MH2). The next best mic in second place was one
>> of
>> the gamers mics with the foot pedal. The Kenwood and the ADI radio plugs
>> work on Elecraft if you use a headset with a foot pedal. It's amazing
>> that I
>> can get more lows and highs from the little hand mic and had confirmed my
>> findings over air. The stations I've talked told me that the hand mic
>> sounds
>> deeper, richer and more brilliant on the EQ than the other mics that were
>> adjusted again on the EQ again. I think the money was well spent on the
>> hand
>> mic and have no regrets.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil LaMarche-2 wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm considering he purchase of a K3 to replace my 756 Pro III.  I have
>>> wonderful audio with the Icom and would like some comments on the K3
>>> audio
>>> and microphone recommendations for the best audio w/o external help. I'm
>>> going to get it pretty well loaded.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>> Philip LaMarche
>>> LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
>>> www.instantgourmetspices.com <http://www.instantgourmetspices.com/>
>>>
>>> www.w9dvm.com <http://www.w9dvm.com/>
>>> 800-395-7795 pin 02
>>> 727-944-3226
>>> FAX 727-937-8834
>>> NASFT 30210
>>> W9DVM
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Commercial mic?

Ken Kopp-3
Hi Fern,

I'm -sure- many would like to know what "commercial
microphone" you're referring to! (:-))  Many of us are
involved in the commercial radio field and would likely
have it readily available.

I agree about the stiff cord on the hand microphone.  It's capable
of dragging the radio off the desk!

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: future ham gear and Sound perception

Dave, G4AON
In reply to this post by Charly
Glad to say the K3 does pretty much all I want, lets not try to
fix/modify something that ain't broke!

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
---------------
Future ham gear, given our advancing ages, should include:
-larger and single function buttons for Parkinsons folks, and
everyone else, too.

-high freq audio boost and eq. and "balance" control to feed
more to one ear than the other.
-footswitch option is easy to add (feet work, hands do not).
-LARGE dial and large clear-contrast print on sw labels.
-Big RTTY/data readout on front pannel for those that can not
hear much anymore or for those whose speech is now impaired.
-Lots of automatic functions for often-repeated items.

Notice now few of these factors are on the K3, sad to say.

73,

Charles Harpole
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