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I was going to chime in, but you all have pretty well covered it, so I just have one comment to make for Tom from Fargo: Go Bears! Tom, W3QS -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Thomas Beltran I took my extra in 1978, in Fargo, ND, _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I applaud the action of the FCC in removing the requirement to pass a
code test. It is both an obstacle to entering amateur radio for those with no interest in code, and an obstacle to using the code for those who have learned it just to pass a low speed test. I recently refused a request to change my Morse trainer program MorseTest (on my website) so that it would do 5wpm, because I believe that it encourages the "wrong kind of learning". I have spent many years struggling to overcome a 12wpm "brick wall" because I learned the code at that speed, to pass the UK test, instead of using what is now known as the Koch method. Those who want to learn the code will be able to learn it using this method, and will not have the problems I and many others have had struggling to master a speed that is comfortable to actually use on the air. Morse is far from being a dead mode, because it has so many unarguable advantages. 73, -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: http://www.tech-pro.net/g4ilo _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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For me Julian, K7QO's CD is the best way to learn and increase CW speed. I
had not hit a lick of CW since 1985. I checked my speed and I was copying solid at 10 wpm. With the K7QO CD <<MP3 Files> I went from 10-18 wpm in 3 weeks. I did it by spending 15 min at a time 3 or 4 times a day. You are correct on CW being a hindrence to some people. I have a dear female friend in MS who cannot it seems pass the 5WPM exam. She does have a slight mental problem... She had decided to sell all her new equipment and antenna. I hope she hasn't The other thing... In the past when guests come by the ham station at National Museum of American History and discover there is a no-code license, their eyes perk up and immediately want the information how to get the license. I do think that most people should be able to get 5wpm. I figured the FCC would keep that requirement at least. Paul Gates K1 #0231 KX1 #1186 XG1 [hidden email] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian, G4ILO" <[hidden email]> To: "Elecraft List" <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sad day for amateur radio > I applaud the action of the FCC in removing the requirement to pass a > code test. It is both an obstacle to entering amateur radio for those > with no interest in code, and an obstacle to using the code for those > who have learned it just to pass a low speed test. > > I recently refused a request to change my Morse trainer program > MorseTest (on my website) so that it would do 5wpm, because I believe > that it encourages the "wrong kind of learning". I have spent many years > struggling to overcome a 12wpm "brick wall" because I learned the code > at that speed, to pass the UK test, instead of using what is now known > as the Koch method. > > Those who want to learn the code will be able to learn it using this > method, and will not have the problems I and many others have had > struggling to master a speed that is comfortable to actually use on the > air. Morse is far from being a dead mode, because it has so many > unarguable advantages. > > 73, > -- > Julian, G4ILO > G4ILO's Shack: http://www.tech-pro.net/g4ilo > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I have some mixed feelings about this, but I think it's generally for the
better (I still can't believe I'm saying that). For a long time I was against no code, less code, etc. Like many others I took all of the various speed CW tests to get to Novice, General and Extra. I felt that many of the new hams were "getting off easy". I still feel partly that, but then I read things like the bands are much more empty than they were, myself being off the air more often than not included. I suppose it's a good thing to get more on HF to hopefully keep the bands a little more active. I have friends who have absolutely no interest in CW that for years have wanted to get on HF. They either didn't have the time or the determination to learn CW especially if they think they aren't going to use it. I think because of this some will change, but not much. I know a lot of No-coders in our club who eventually learned CW because they wanted to build things such as a K1 and use it. I predict there may be an increase in digital modes such as PSK-31, but CW won't be going any time soon. I'll still be stubborn and say that I had wished they keep the 5wpm requirement for extra. My friend even agrees with that. James Kern Network Administrator Kurt S. Adler, Inc. 1107 Broadway New York, NY 10010 212-924-0900 x222 (work) 212-807-0575 (fax) 908-451-6801 (cell) 800-209-7438 (pager) [hidden email] _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Julian... I did not want to leave the impression that I was stopping at
18wpm CW. I am still using the CD and making on the air CW contacts to continue to increase my speed. My goal is 30wpm. Then I figure I can work any CW operator on the bands. Paul Gates K1 #0231 KX1 #1186 XG1 [hidden email] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian, G4ILO" <[hidden email]> To: "Elecraft List" <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sad day for amateur radio > I applaud the action of the FCC in removing the requirement to pass a > code test. It is both an obstacle to entering amateur radio for those > with no interest in code, and an obstacle to using the code for those > who have learned it just to pass a low speed test. > > I recently refused a request to change my Morse trainer program > MorseTest (on my website) so that it would do 5wpm, because I believe > that it encourages the "wrong kind of learning". I have spent many years > struggling to overcome a 12wpm "brick wall" because I learned the code > at that speed, to pass the UK test, instead of using what is now known > as the Koch method. > > Those who want to learn the code will be able to learn it using this > method, and will not have the problems I and many others have had > struggling to master a speed that is comfortable to actually use on the > air. Morse is far from being a dead mode, because it has so many > unarguable advantages. > > 73, > -- > Julian, G4ILO > G4ILO's Shack: http://www.tech-pro.net/g4ilo > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I was playing off Craig Rairdin's comment that "...the fastest code test I
passed was 13 WPM for my General in 1974, so there are probably some 20 WPM Extras out there who can't stand to be in the room with me either". I'm sure he was kidding as I was. I forgot to pepper my post with sideways winky faces so it would be obvious. Code has been an artificial barrier to entry for a long time. I fought every attempt to reduce or eliminate code. In the end, the joke was on me. Reducing it didn't hurt ham radio, and eliminating it will most likely help. Not to swell our ranks, but to bring in quality people who will advance the hobby, but have always thought ham radio was irrelevant. And those newcomers who are bright enough will recognize for themselves when Morse Code makes sense and they will use it. Frankly, I think the written tests have been FAR more irrelevant than the code test. I doubt I could pass even a General written test today without study. And "study" would amount to memorizing a lot of things I have never used in 48 years, and no doubt wouldn't use for the rest of my time as a ham. BTW, 30 years ago I bought a Victor pocket calculator the size of a brick that would only add and subtract for $135. I can't stand being in the same room with people with free calculators on their tiny free cell phones.... ;^) Eric KE6US _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 3:34 AM To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sad day for amateur radio In a message dated 7/21/05 1:30:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: those of us who took our 13 wpm AND 20 wpm code tests in front of a grumpy FCC Inspector waiting for retirement instead of a collegial VE buddy can't stand to be in the same room with ANY of you guys! Not true! In the summer of 1968, at the age of 14, I passed the General and Advanced written tests as well as 13 wpm receiving and sending. In the summer of 1970, at the age of 16, I passed the Extra written test as well as 20 wpm receiving and sending. I took the test at the first session after the 2 year waiting period for Extra had elapsed. Both tests were at the FCC office at 2nd and Chestnut in Philadelphia, in front of FCC examiner Joe Welch (locally known as Joe Squelch for his no-nonsense demeanor). Sending tests were done with a straight key, receiving with a legal pad and #2 pencil. For the 20 wpm code I was the only person taking the test. The fact that some hams didn't have to meet the requirements I did is not their "fault". FCC makes the rules - blame FCC if there's a problem, not those who met the new requirements rather than the old ones. I don't like many of the rules changes of the past 20-25 years, but it's the FCC that made them, not the newer hams. btw, from those days to the present, I have always been able to pass the current license exams. I take an online practice exam every few months just to stay in shape, as it were. Nothing to it. -- 8 years ago I paid a lot of money for a 200 MHz 32 mb P1 Dell PC. Today you can get a lot more computer from the same outfit for a lot less money. Should I be mad at those who didn't pay what I did in 1997? 73 de Jim, N2EY _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Once again, I apologize for not using sideways winky faces to alert everyone
the note was in jest. Eric KE6US http://www.ke6us.com -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bob Nielsen Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 3:16 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sad day for amateur radio On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 10:29:32PM -0700, EricJ wrote: > And those of us who took our 13 wpm AND 20 wpm code tests in front of > a grumpy FCC Inspector waiting for retirement instead of a collegial > VE buddy can't stand to be in the same room with ANY of you guys! > > Eric > KE6US Bah, humbug! Many other countries ceased code testing right after the ITU dropped the requirement and I don't recall seeing much of a reaction. As an OF of 66 years (licensed for 52 of them), I don't look at this as the end of the world at all (nor do I fear the "regulation by bandwidth" proposal). CW isn't going away. At least it will no longer be looked at as a hindrance to potential hams. 73, Bob, N7XY (20wpm Extra) -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY Bainbridge Island, WA _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> Code has been an artificial barrier to entry for a long time. I fought every
> attempt to reduce or eliminate code. In the end, the joke was on me. Reducing > it didn't hurt ham radio, and eliminating it will most likely help. Not to swell our > ranks, but to bring in quality people who will advance the hobby, but have > always thought ham radio was irrelevant. And those newcomers who are bright > enough will recognize for themselves when Morse Code makes sense and they > will use it. True enough, though many of us operate CW now only because we were forced to learn it then found out it was fun. Without the motivation to learn it, there will be fewer practitioners. As all you Really OF's (i.e. older than me) die off, there won't be as many people to talk to on CW. The other side of this coin is that I hang out with a whole bunch of Technicians who know way more about electronics, antennas, and propagation than I do. Their interests are in the bands I use to cook food. They're certainly no less "hams" than I even though none of them know any code. Craig NZ0R K1 #1966 K2 #4941 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In the interest of keeping list traffic under control and in not drowning out
our regular traffic, let's let this thread rest for now. If everyone posts their opinion on it well have well over 2000 emails. I'm sure it will have a very spirited discussion on hundreds of other forums ;-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft list moderator Larry Phipps wrote: > Saw this posted on TowerTalk... from the following link... > > http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Digest/2005/ddtoday.html > > AMENDMENT OF PART 97 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO IMPLEMENT WRC-03 > REGULATIONS APPLICABLE TO REQUIREMENTS FOR OPERATOR LICENSES IN THE > AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE. Revised the amateur service rules to elimnate the > telegraphy testing requirement. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I'm in the same boat! I struggled with code for a long time. Finally got in when the
Novice Class was started in 1951! I took my test the month after it started. I didn't get an Extra until 1968! The code was still a struggle! I did take the Extra as a warmup for 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, which was required for my job! Passed both of them the second try. As I worked with code on the ships, I began to see the uniqueness of it! You can send and receive messages in a foriegn language you can't speak or read using CW! Amazing! No computers required, no interpreters required! I've been practically on nothing but CW now for about 20 years. It's a great mode when you have a sore throat and can't talk! Too bad the knuckleheaded "newbie" people think Morse is too antiquated to carry over into the 21st century! Ain't nothing like CW for QRP work! 73, Sandy W5TVW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Rairdin" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: RE: RE: [Elecraft] Sad day for amateur radio | > Code has been an artificial barrier to entry for a long time. I fought every | > attempt to reduce or eliminate code. In the end, the joke was on me. Reducing | > it didn't hurt ham radio, and eliminating it will most likely help. Not to swell our | > ranks, but to bring in quality people who will advance the hobby, but have | > always thought ham radio was irrelevant. And those newcomers who are bright | > enough will recognize for themselves when Morse Code makes sense and they | > will use it. | | True enough, though many of us operate CW now only because we were forced to learn it then found out it was fun. Without the motivation to learn it, there will be fewer practitioners. As all you Really OF's (i.e. older than me) die off, there won't be as many people to talk to on CW. | | The other side of this coin is that I hang out with a whole bunch of Technicians who know way more about electronics, antennas, and propagation than I do. Their interests are in the bands I use to cook food. They're certainly no less "hams" than I even though none of them know any code. | | Craig | NZ0R | K1 #1966 | K2 #4941 | | | _______________________________________________ | Elecraft mailing list | Post to: [hidden email] | You must be a subscriber to post to the list. | Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): | http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft | | Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm | Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com | | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/54 - Release Date: 7/21/2005 | | _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
Hey guys, I have a suggestion. Let's take all the
energies used to write to this reflector and use them to write to the FCC, especially if you are passionately against this proposal. That's what they want from us, comments and feedback. Maybe... just maybe, it will make a difference, but I doubt it:-) Mark W5EZY ===================================================== In the interest of keeping list traffic under control and in not drowning out our regular traffic, let's let this thread rest for now. If everyone posts their opinion on it well have well over 2000 emails. I'm sure it will have a very spirited discussion on hundreds of other forums ;-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft list moderator Larry Phipps wrote: Saw this posted on TowerTalk... from the following link... http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Digest/2005/ddtoday.html AMENDMENT OF PART 97 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO IMPLEMENT WRC-03 REGULATIONS APPLICABLE TO REQUIREMENTS FOR OPERATOR LICENSES IN THE AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE. Revised the amateur service rules to elimnate the telegraphy testing requirement. _______________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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