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Brett Howard

SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like
to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when
I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can
TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped
A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL
N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on
independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

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Brett Howard

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and
now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band.

On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:

> Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like
> to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when
> I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can
> TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped
> A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL
> N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on
> independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.
>
> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>

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Brett Howard

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from scratch for the
beginning bit and then gave things a try and I was still unable to get
cross band split to work as it should. This nearly makes using N1MM for
SO2V nearly useless and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man
I sure hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it was
working before!

Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot
and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in
the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is
pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just
SO2V.

:(

~KC7OTG

On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:

> I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and
> now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band.
>
> On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like
> > to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when
> > I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can
> > TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped
> > A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL
> > N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on
> > independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.
> >
> > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> >
>

Brett Howard

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

Ok I just found this link:
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Cross-Band_Operation

Which leads me to believe I was just on the same band when I saw my
radio adeptly switching from one VFO to the other. Man not being able
to have a different band on each VFO and easily switch between making
contacts on each one really hinders the n1mm/k3/krx3 combo quite
heavily. When I bought the KRX3 for FD this year that was one of the
major reasons for my purchase...

~Brett

On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 23:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:

> Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from scratch for the
> beginning bit and then gave things a try and I was still unable to get
> cross band split to work as it should. This nearly makes using N1MM for
> SO2V nearly useless and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man
> I sure hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it was
> working before!
>
> Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot
> and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in
> the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is
> pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just
> SO2V.
>
> :(
>
> ~KC7OTG
>
> On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and
> > now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band.
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > > Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like
> > > to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when
> > > I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can
> > > TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped
> > > A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL
> > > N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on
> > > independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.
> > >
> > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> > >
> >
>

Brett Howard

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

I've privately received several messages from some stating that they are
holding off on buying the KRX3 until this cross band split works. Guess
I wish I'd known that it wouldn't work before dropping an additional
$1100 in KRX3 adn additional filters to have this capability for Field
Day this year. Oh well at least the matching filters will allow for
diversity receive.

At least its Elecraft and I do know that this feature will some day be
available. Now it just becomes a wait for this feature to bubble to the
top of the list.

Thanks to all who responded that they've been watching for this feature.

~Brett

On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 00:25 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:

> Ok I just found this link:
> http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Cross-Band_Operation
>
> Which leads me to believe I was just on the same band when I saw my
> radio adeptly switching from one VFO to the other. Man not being able
> to have a different band on each VFO and easily switch between making
> contacts on each one really hinders the n1mm/k3/krx3 combo quite
> heavily. When I bought the KRX3 for FD this year that was one of the
> major reasons for my purchase...
>
> ~Brett
>
> On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 23:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from scratch for the
> > beginning bit and then gave things a try and I was still unable to get
> > cross band split to work as it should. This nearly makes using N1MM for
> > SO2V nearly useless and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man
> > I sure hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it was
> > working before!
> >
> > Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on a DX Spot
> > and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply click on a spot in
> > the VFO B band map and poof you're on that freq and you're TX arrow is
> > pointing down. Almost felt like a SO2R setup even though it was just
> > SO2V.
> >
> > :(
> >
> > ~KC7OTG
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > > I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago and
> > > now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the same band.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > > > Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like
> > > > to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when
> > > > I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can
> > > > TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped
> > > > A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL
> > > > N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on
> > > > independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Stewart Baker

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

In reply to this post by Brett Howard

Yes, I too had the feeling that this used to work.

Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:42:52 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute
ago and
> now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are on the
same band.
>
> On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
>> Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and
I'd like
>> to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so
that when
>> I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so
that I can
>> TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then
tapped
>> A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still
got SPL
>> N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if
I'm on

>> independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.
>>
>> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>
>
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Bill W4ZV

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

In reply to this post by Brett Howard

Brett Howard wrote

Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like
to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when
I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can
TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped
A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL
N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on
independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Brett remember that the TX signal path in the K3 goes through the BPF and XFIL for VFO A only (which is why it works on the same band but not cross bands). To do what you want you need to swap A and B (i.e. touch A/B). Remember that the KRX3 only adds dual receiver capability...not dual transmit capability. If someone is waiting for dual transmit capability, they are in for a very long wait. :-) Of course they could also just buy another K3 for true SO2R capability.

73, Bill

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

In reply to this post by Brett Howard

> Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on
> a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply
> click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that
> freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like
> a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V.

Dual band receive works just fine (each VFO on a different band
and "sub" on) as long as you are connecting a receive antenna
to the AUX antenna jack or the sub receiver is on a lower band
than the main receiver. You can change VFO B to a different
band if you are in dual rx. What you can't do is split with
VFO A and VFO B on different bands. The K3/KRC3 has always
worked this way.

The primary function of the N1MM Logger "SO2V" mode has always
been to support "in band" SO2R operation. To my knowledge, there
has not been any transceiver (with perhaps the exception of the
FTdx9000) that provides full specification operation on two bands
at the same time. The Orion/Orion II subreceiver is grossly
inferior to the main receiver and the FT-1000MP could not listen
on a separate band because it lacked independent bandpass filters
for the subreceiver.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brett Howard
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:42 AM
> To: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
>
>
> Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from
> scratch for the beginning bit and then gave things a try and
> I was still unable to get cross band split to work as it
> should. This nearly makes using N1MM for SO2V nearly useless
> and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man I sure
> hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it
> was working before!
>
> Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on
> a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply
> click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that
> freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like
> a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V.
>
> :(
>
> ~KC7OTG
>
> On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago
> > and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are
> on the same
> > band.
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > > Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on
> 7.027.00 and I'd
> > > like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to
> setup N1MM so
> > > that when I click on the VFO B log section that it
> switches on split
> > > so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting
> SPL N/A. I
> > > even then tapped
> > > A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and
> still got SPL
> > > N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on
> VFO B if I'm
> > > on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.
> > >
> > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> > >
> >
>
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Brett Howard

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

But is there a real reason why its not possible? Or are we simply a
firmware update away from being able to do what the 9000 can? It
wouldn't be optimal but heck even if N1MM would simply operate A/B then
TX then operate A/B again in quick succession and log it under the VFO B
slot it could be a work around and then they could do that with many
other radios. But honestly I find it hard to believe that cross band
split isn't possible with the current hardware.

On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 09:19 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> > Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on
> > a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply
> > click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that
> > freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like
> > a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V.
>
> Dual band receive works just fine (each VFO on a different band
> and "sub" on) as long as you are connecting a receive antenna
> to the AUX antenna jack or the sub receiver is on a lower band
> than the main receiver. You can change VFO B to a different
> band if you are in dual rx. What you can't do is split with
> VFO A and VFO B on different bands. The K3/KRC3 has always
> worked this way.
>
> The primary function of the N1MM Logger "SO2V" mode has always
> been to support "in band" SO2R operation. To my knowledge, there
> has not been any transceiver (with perhaps the exception of the
> FTdx9000) that provides full specification operation on two bands
> at the same time. The Orion/Orion II subreceiver is grossly
> inferior to the main receiver and the FT-1000MP could not listen
> on a separate band because it lacked independent bandpass filters
> for the subreceiver.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brett Howard
> > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:42 AM
> > To: Elecraft List
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
> >
> >
> > Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from
> > scratch for the beginning bit and then gave things a try and
> > I was still unable to get cross band split to work as it
> > should. This nearly makes using N1MM for SO2V nearly useless
> > and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man I sure
> > hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it
> > was working before!
> >
> > Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on
> > a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply
> > click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that
> > freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like
> > a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V.
> >
> > :(
> >
> > ~KC7OTG
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > > I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute ago
> > > and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are
> > on the same
> > > band.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > > > Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on
> > 7.027.00 and I'd
> > > > like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to
> > setup N1MM so
> > > > that when I click on the VFO B log section that it
> > switches on split
> > > > so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting
> > SPL N/A. I
> > > > even then tapped
> > > > A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and
> > still got SPL
> > > > N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on
> > VFO B if I'm
> > > > on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Brett Howard

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV

Whats to say that you couldn't enter into cross band split and then when
ever you TX the rig quickly presses A/B then TXes then presses A/B again
but simply displays like its TXing w/o moving freqs around and what not.
You'd probably not be able to do QSK that way but it would add a really
nice flexibility thats not yet already there. I'm somewhat surprised
that N1MM hasn't tried to build this functionality in yet.

On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 04:14 -0700, Bill W4ZV wrote:

>
>
> Brett Howard wrote:
> >
> > Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on 7.027.00 and I'd like
> > to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to setup N1MM so that when
> > I click on the VFO B log section that it switches on split so that I can
> > TX in the right band. But I keep getting SPL N/A. I even then tapped
> > A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and still got SPL
> > N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on VFO B if I'm on
> > independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.
> >
> > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> >
>
> Brett remember that the TX signal path in the K3 goes through the BPF and
> XFIL for VFO A only (which is why it works on the same band but not cross
> bands). To do what you want you need to swap A and B (i.e. touch A/B).
> Remember that the KRX3 only adds dual receiver capability...not dual
> transmit capability. If someone is waiting for dual transmit capability,
> they are in for a very long wait. :-) Of course they could also just buy
> another K3 for true SO2R capability.
>
> 73, Bill
>

Bill W4ZV

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

Brett Howard wrote

Whats to say that you couldn't enter into cross band split and then when
ever you TX the rig quickly presses A/B then TXes then presses A/B again
but simply displays like its TXing w/o moving freqs around and what not.
You'd probably not be able to do QSK that way but it would add a really
nice flexibility thats not yet already there. I'm somewhat surprised
that N1MM hasn't tried to build this functionality in yet.

I would imagine you might be able write a N1MM macro to do this. The K3 is always in SUB, never Split. When you click on B, N1MM could send A/B so that both RX and TX would be on VFO A (on the previous VFO B frequency on another band). To return to the original band, do it again. You might contact N1EU who is very knowledgeable about both N1MM and the K3:

http://n1eu.com/K3/K3_subrx.htm (see SO2V)

73, Bill

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

In reply to this post by Brett Howard

> But is there a real reason why its not possible? Or are we
> simply a firmware update away from being able to do what the
> 9000 can?

No, firmware can not change the signal flow in the K3 hardware
that routes the transmit signal through circuitry (including
roofing/bandpass filters) common to the main RX.

> It wouldn't be optimal but heck even if N1MM would
> simply operate A/B then TX then operate A/B again in quick
> succession and log it under the VFO B slot it could be a work
> around and then they could do that with many other radios.
> But honestly I find it hard to believe that cross band split
> isn't possible with the current hardware.

You could contact K3CT who has written most of the K3 support
code in N1MM. However, most users would probably object to
the constant flopping of VFOs and entry windows in N1MM Logger.
SO2V is a unique operating style and was never intended to be
a cheap man's SO2R. Since there isn't a single traditional
transceiver - including the K3/KRX3 - that permits receiving
on one receiver while transmitting on the other, SO2V is not
a suitable substitute for SO2R anyway.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brett Howard [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:23 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: 'Elecraft List'
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
>
>
> But is there a real reason why its not possible? Or are we
> simply a firmware update away from being able to do what the
> 9000 can? It wouldn't be optimal but heck even if N1MM would
> simply operate A/B then TX then operate A/B again in quick
> succession and log it under the VFO B slot it could be a work
> around and then they could do that with many other radios.
> But honestly I find it hard to believe that cross band split
> isn't possible with the current hardware.
>
> On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 09:19 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > > Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on
> > > a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply
> > > click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that
> > > freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like
> > > a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V.
> >
> > Dual band receive works just fine (each VFO on a different band
> > and "sub" on) as long as you are connecting a receive antenna
> > to the AUX antenna jack or the sub receiver is on a lower band
> > than the main receiver. You can change VFO B to a different
> > band if you are in dual rx. What you can't do is split with
> > VFO A and VFO B on different bands. The K3/KRC3 has always
> > worked this way.
> >
> > The primary function of the N1MM Logger "SO2V" mode has always
> > been to support "in band" SO2R operation. To my knowledge, there
> > has not been any transceiver (with perhaps the exception of the
> > FTdx9000) that provides full specification operation on two bands
> > at the same time. The Orion/Orion II subreceiver is grossly
> > inferior to the main receiver and the FT-1000MP could not listen
> > on a separate band because it lacked independent bandpass filters
> > for the subreceiver.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Brett Howard
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:42 AM
> > > To: Elecraft List
> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SPL N/A with everybody on CW?
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow I just tried doing an EE Init and set things up from
> > > scratch for the beginning bit and then gave things a try and
> > > I was still unable to get cross band split to work as it
> > > should. This nearly makes using N1MM for SO2V nearly useless
> > > and really degrades the usefulness of the KRX3. Man I sure
> > > hope I can figure this out before FD! I was excited when it
> > > was working before!
> > >
> > > Before I could simply click in the log window for VFO A or on
> > > a DX Spot and poof the TX arrow would point up. Then simply
> > > click on a spot in the VFO B band map and poof you're on that
> > > freq and you're TX arrow is pointing down. Almost felt like
> > > a SO2R setup even though it was just SO2V.
> > >
> > > :(
> > >
> > > ~KC7OTG
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:42 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > > > I should also state that I swear this was just working a minute
> > > > ago
> > > > and now I seem to always get SUB N/A unless both VFO's are
> > > on the same
> > > > band.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:20 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:
> > > > > Right now I've got VFO A on 14.030.00 and VFO B on
> > > 7.027.00 and I'd
> > > > > like to transmit on the VFO B freq. Or I'm trying to
> > > setup N1MM so
> > > > > that when I click on the VFO B log section that it
> > > switches on split
> > > > > so that I can TX in the right band. But I keep getting
> > > SPL N/A. I
> > > > > even then tapped
> > > > > A->B twice and then went back to those frequencies and
> > > still got SPL
> > > > > N/A. Seems like I'm unable to use the split and TX on
> > > VFO B if I'm
> > > > > on independant bands? And yes both are set to CW.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> > > > >

Merv Schweigert

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

I am some what confused with the issue. I also had assumed,
that if when I installed the 2nd receiver that split operation was
possible. To say it takes a 2nd transmitters is not true. It has
to be a switching issue in what I call software, firmware by others.

For instance my old FT-1000D, if you put vfo A on 14.0 mhz
and vfo B on 7.0 mhz and hit the split button you listen on 14
and transmit on 7. or you can cancel split and work whatever
band is on the vfo selected. In essence you can work two bands
at the same time. Have done that since 1990 so its no new idea.
And I can use the Sub rx to listen to any band no matter if its
above or below the main rx band.

What am I missing other than assuming that the K3 is lacking the
basic operations of 25 year old radios? At some point the increased
performance in one area is over ridden by the lack of features in
many other areas.
The idea of buying two radios to do the job is also not viable,
spending 1000 bux and doing a few mods on a 25 year old radio
will yield a pretty competitive radio in comparison to 8000 worth
of K3's?

Seems that this can be implemented and if its not possible due to
hardware we have a problem. Maybe not for some but a lot of
us. Big enough for me to reconsider keeping the K3.
73 Merv KH7C

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Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

Merv Schweigert wrote

I am some what confused with the issue. I also had assumed,
that if when I installed the 2nd receiver that split operation was
possible. To say it takes a 2nd transmitters is not true. It has
to be a switching issue in what I call software, firmware by others.

For instance my old FT-1000D, if you put vfo A on 14.0 mhz
and vfo B on 7.0 mhz and hit the split button you listen on 14
and transmit on 7. or you can cancel split and work whatever
band is on the vfo selected. In essence you can work two bands
at the same time. Have done that since 1990 so its no new idea.
And I can use the Sub rx to listen to any band no matter if its
above or below the main rx band.

What am I missing other than assuming that the K3 is lacking the
basic operations of 25 year old radios? At some point the increased
performance in one area is over ridden by the lack of features in
many other areas.
The idea of buying two radios to do the job is also not viable,
spending 1000 bux and doing a few mods on a 25 year old radio
will yield a pretty competitive radio in comparison to 8000 worth
of K3's?

Seems that this can be implemented and if its not possible due to
hardware we have a problem. Maybe not for some but a lot of
us. Big enough for me to reconsider keeping the K3.

You can do all of the above as long as you remember that the band you want to TX on **MUST** be the same one the K3's VFO A is tuned to. If it's not, then simply press A/B. Why is this so difficult to understand? You also work cross-band but VFO A must be the band you want to transmit on.

73, Bill

Brett Howard

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

Its not difficult to understand its just annoying. Essentially we're
all in agreement that the radio can do it. I think that the firmware in
the rig could actually make this happen 100% automatically. The only
difference is that when operating cross band split you're going to have
relays clicking when you tx. And depending on how its implemented to
try and save the relays you may not be able to do QSK when using cross
band split.

I'd be 100% ok with those limitations but having to explain to someone
how to hit A/B and then only log in VFO A because you can't transmit
from VFO B is going to be a pain. Then when you explain to them well
actually you can transmit from VFO B but only if they are both in the
same band. Once you get used to how well it works when you've got both
in the same band it would just be nice to do it cross band. At that
point you've got pretty much an SO2R without the full duplex capability.

I suppose maybe I can turn off the VFO IND feature when others run the
radio but then they're going to think its lame in that when ever they
change the band on one VFO the other one changes too...

I've been looking into doing a macro and no matter what it seems like
the macro is going to be somewhat annoying in that you'll have to see
the switching and what not. Seems like without source code you're going
to have to be manually executing these scripts too. So anything I end
up with is going to be a kludge and the kludge will be just as hard to
explain as manually pushing the buttons...

Oh well. Maybe we'll have some of these features by next FD. If one is
willing to put up with a bit of relay switch delay all of this is 100%
possible. Now its just a matter of if enough people feel its worth it
to step a little bit away from the current K3's operating convention and
make it happen.

~Brett (KC7OTG)

On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 13:15 -0700, Bill W4ZV wrote:

>
>
> Merv Schweigert wrote:
> >
> > I am some what confused with the issue. I also had assumed,
> > that if when I installed the 2nd receiver that split operation was
> > possible. To say it takes a 2nd transmitters is not true. It has
> > to be a switching issue in what I call software, firmware by others.
> >
> > For instance my old FT-1000D, if you put vfo A on 14.0 mhz
> > and vfo B on 7.0 mhz and hit the split button you listen on 14
> > and transmit on 7. or you can cancel split and work whatever
> > band is on the vfo selected. In essence you can work two bands
> > at the same time. Have done that since 1990 so its no new idea.
> > And I can use the Sub rx to listen to any band no matter if its
> > above or below the main rx band.
> >
> > What am I missing other than assuming that the K3 is lacking the
> > basic operations of 25 year old radios? At some point the increased
> > performance in one area is over ridden by the lack of features in
> > many other areas.
> > The idea of buying two radios to do the job is also not viable,
> > spending 1000 bux and doing a few mods on a 25 year old radio
> > will yield a pretty competitive radio in comparison to 8000 worth
> > of K3's?
> >
> > Seems that this can be implemented and if its not possible due to
> > hardware we have a problem. Maybe not for some but a lot of
> > us. Big enough for me to reconsider keeping the K3.
> >
>
> You can do all of the above as long as you remember that the band you want
> to TX on **MUST** be the same one the K3's VFO A is tuned to. If it's not,
> then simply press A/B. Why is this so difficult to understand? You also
> work cross-band but VFO A must be the band you want to transmit on.
>
> 73, Bill
>

Merv Schweigert

Re: SPL N/A with everybody on CW?

Perhaps not difficult to understand that is does not work easily and
does not work
as 1990 technology did?
I can transmit on either VFO on the 1000D and I would bet that most
other radios
did also. To be confined to VFO A being the only transmit vfo makes
things definitely
annoying when trying to operate the radio on two bands.
As I said some may not care at all, others do. 73 Merv KH7C

> Its not difficult to understand its just annoying. Essentially we're
> all in agreement that the radio can do it. I think that the firmware in
> the rig could actually make this happen 100% automatically. The only
> difference is that when operating cross band split you're going to have
> relays clicking when you tx. And depending on how its implemented to
> try and save the relays you may not be able to do QSK when using cross
> band split.
>
> I'd be 100% ok with those limitations but having to explain to someone
> how to hit A/B and then only log in VFO A because you can't transmit
> from VFO B is going to be a pain. Then when you explain to them well
> actually you can transmit from VFO B but only if they are both in the
> same band. Once you get used to how well it works when you've got both
> in the same band it would just be nice to do it cross band. At that
> point you've got pretty much an SO2R without the full duplex capability.
>
> I suppose maybe I can turn off the VFO IND feature when others run the
> radio but then they're going to think its lame in that when ever they
> change the band on one VFO the other one changes too...
>
> I've been looking into doing a macro and no matter what it seems like
> the macro is going to be somewhat annoying in that you'll have to see
> the switching and what not. Seems like without source code you're going
> to have to be manually executing these scripts too. So anything I end
> up with is going to be a kludge and the kludge will be just as hard to
> explain as manually pushing the buttons...
>
> Oh well. Maybe we'll have some of these features by next FD. If one is
> willing to put up with a bit of relay switch delay all of this is 100%
> possible. Now its just a matter of if enough people feel its worth it
> to step a little bit away from the current K3's operating convention and
> make it happen.
>
> ~Brett (KC7OTG)
>
> On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 13:15 -0700, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>
>> Merv Schweigert wrote:
>>
>>> I am some what confused with the issue. I also had assumed,
>>> that if when I installed the 2nd receiver that split operation was
>>> possible. To say it takes a 2nd transmitters is not true. It has
>>> to be a switching issue in what I call software, firmware by others.
>>>
>>> For instance my old FT-1000D, if you put vfo A on 14.0 mhz
>>> and vfo B on 7.0 mhz and hit the split button you listen on 14
>>> and transmit on 7. or you can cancel split and work whatever
>>> band is on the vfo selected. In essence you can work two bands
>>> at the same time. Have done that since 1990 so its no new idea.
>>> And I can use the Sub rx to listen to any band no matter if its
>>> above or below the main rx band.
>>>
>>> What am I missing other than assuming that the K3 is lacking the
>>> basic operations of 25 year old radios? At some point the increased
>>> performance in one area is over ridden by the lack of features in
>>> many other areas.
>>> The idea of buying two radios to do the job is also not viable,
>>> spending 1000 bux and doing a few mods on a 25 year old radio
>>> will yield a pretty competitive radio in comparison to 8000 worth
>>> of K3's?
>>>
>>> Seems that this can be implemented and if its not possible due to
>>> hardware we have a problem. Maybe not for some but a lot of
>>> us. Big enough for me to reconsider keeping the K3.
>>>
>>>
>> You can do all of the above as long as you remember that the band you want
>> to TX on **MUST** be the same one the K3's VFO A is tuned to. If it's not,
>> then simply press A/B. Why is this so difficult to understand? You also
>> work cross-band but VFO A must be the band you want to transmit on.
>>
>> 73, Bill
>>
>>
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