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SWR Measurement with KAT3

raroth7
I've been reading the mail for a while, but am not sure this has been
covered.  I scanned the K3 Manual, but couldn't find what I was looking
for...this:  with the KAT3 tuner installed in the K3, where does one
hang an SWR/Power meter?

Thanks & 73

Dick, KA1OZ

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Re: SWR Measurement with KAT3

Vic K2VCO
Dick Roth wrote:
> I've been reading the mail for a while, but am not sure this has been
> covered.  I scanned the K3 Manual, but couldn't find what I was looking
> for...this:  with the KAT3 tuner installed in the K3, where does one
> hang an SWR/Power meter?

You can read SWR and power as seen by the K3's final amp on the K3's
display.

If you connect an external meter it will tell you the SWR on the
feedline after the KAT3, which is interesting, but not what the K3's
final is seeing. Power readings will possibly be wrong, because many
meters don't read power accurately when SWR is high.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: SWR Measurement with KAT3

raroth7
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> Vic is quite right!
>
> I'll add a couple of points:
>
> 1) The power display of the K3 is quite good, from a few milliwatts to 100
> watts. It can be calibrated even further if you have a known, calibrated
> meter to use with an external dummy load.
>
> 2) If you are interested in measuring the SWR on the feeder itself for the
> purposes of evaluating your feed line losses, the place to measure it is at
> the antenna end, not the rig end. We normally put the SWR meter at the rig
> only because we're interested in the load the final amplifiers are "seeing",
> but with the internal wattmeter that's taken care of internally, as Vic
> said. When the display reports a low SWR after the ATU tunes up, it means
> the K3's finals are seeing the load they need to work efficiently regardless
> of what's going on outside the rig. To evaluate the SWR of the feeder
> itself, the meter needs to go to the load (antenna) end of the feed line for
> accurate measurement. That becomes more important as the feeder losses and
> SWR increase. After all, an infinitely lossy 50 ohm feed line will show a
> 1:1 SWR at the rig no matter what the SWR might be at the far end. In the
> real world, you might measure an SWR of 4:1 at the rig and use that to
> determine that for the length of line and frequency, you consider the losses
> acceptable, but the antenna end might show an actual SWR of 10:1 or greater.
> That's the number you really need to evaluate the feed line losses.
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Dick Roth wrote:
>> I've been reading the mail for a while, but am not sure this has been
>> covered.  I scanned the K3 Manual, but couldn't find what I was
>> looking
>> for...this:  with the KAT3 tuner installed in the K3, where does one
>> hang an SWR/Power meter?
>
> You can read SWR and power as seen by the K3's final amp on the K3's
> display.
>
> If you connect an external meter it will tell you the SWR on the
> feedline after the KAT3, which is interesting, but not what the K3's
> final is seeing. Power readings will possibly be wrong, because many
> meters don't read power accurately when SWR is high.

Thank you to all who have responded.  One of the things that has gotten
me most interested in getting an Elecraft radio is the active cadre of
hams, generous with knowledge, coupled by a straight line to those
responsible with the product design.  Truly community!

Thanks again to all who've responded.

73,
Dick, ka1oz


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Re: SWR Measurement with KAT3

Bill Steffey NY9H
i DO notice a difference  ...between the k3 info and
the  swr/wattmeter on it's output.
I believe it is due to the tuner components still in the line ....
when bypass is selected.  AM I CORRECT ???

bill

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Re: SWR Measurement with KAT3

Vic K2VCO
Bill NY9H wrote:
> i DO notice a difference  ...between the k3 info and the  swr/wattmeter
> on it's output.
> I believe it is due to the tuner components still in the line ....
> when bypass is selected.  AM I CORRECT ???

Certainly possible. The K3's meter is before the tuner, and 'bypass'
isn't exactly 'bypass' because the tuner is in line and set to
compensate for stray inductance/capacity of traces, etc. in order to
provide a 1:1 SWR reading when connected to a 50 ohm load.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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