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SWR bridge diodes

Ron ZL1TW
Hi,
      The other night I left my K2/100 and KAT100 still attached to the
antenna, and we must have had a thunderstorm or the like pass through. I
had been using the rig before I hit the sack, and everything was fine, but
in the morning I got the dreaded "Hi Cur" warning if I tried to transmit
anything higher than 10w.
Subsequent testing proved the SWR bridge diodes in both the KPA100
*and*  the KAT100 had changed from being diodes to short-circuits. A trip
to the local (dead loss) Electronics store to get some more 1N1755 diodes
produced 1 diode ! ( typical)
What's a bloke going to do with the Christmas postal rush in full swing and
Elecraft thousands of miles away?
In the end I replaced the 4 diodes with common old 1N4148's and everything
appears to be working fine......which brings me to the question......why
are the 1N5711's used anyway? does their being Shottky diodes make them any
better in this application?
I did wonder if the slightly larger forward resistance of the 1N4148 might
cause a slightly lower VRFDET, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
To add to this saga......after finding the diodes being faulty, I had the
end of the antenna draped over a certificate on the wall to keep it out of
the way. A sudden rain storm went through accompanied by strong winds, and
there was a spark jumping across the ends of BNC fitting on the end of the
antenna as if it had been connected to a cars spark coil. A grounding
switch is now being installed....
I have lost the odd SWR bridge diode in my 40 or so years as an Amateur,
but this is the first time I have actually seen why....
(the antenna is a 80/40/20m set of 1/2 waves arranged as inverted "V's" up
13m in the center,and single coax fed.)
73.....Ron ZL1TW


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RE: SWR bridge diodes

Don Wilhelm-3
Ron,

2 reasons for the use of 1N5711 diodes rather than 1N4148 (or even 1N34A) -
1) the 1N5711s have been shown to produce a more consistent voltage over the
frequency range than any of the others, and 2) the Shottky design has a low
diode drop (the 1N34A does too) which will produce readings that are more
correct at low powers (less than 2 watts).

With the KPA100 installed, the low power factor may not be a large
consideration for you, so the 1N4148s could stay, but if the greater
frequency dependency produces a problem, swap back to the 1N5711s.

Yes, keep those antennas shorted when not in use and when thunderstorms
approach.

73,
Don W3FPR

> -----Original Message-----

> Hi,
>       The other night I left my K2/100 and KAT100 still attached to the
> antenna, and we must have had a thunderstorm or the like pass through. I
> had been using the rig before I hit the sack, and everything was
> fine, but
> in the morning I got the dreaded "Hi Cur" warning if I tried to transmit
> anything higher than 10w.
> Subsequent testing proved the SWR bridge diodes in both the KPA100
> *and*  the KAT100 had changed from being diodes to short-circuits. A trip
> to the local (dead loss) Electronics store to get some more 1N1755 diodes
> produced 1 diode ! ( typical)
> What's a bloke going to do with the Christmas postal rush in full
> swing and
> Elecraft thousands of miles away?
> In the end I replaced the 4 diodes with common old 1N4148's and
> everything
> appears to be working fine......which brings me to the question......why
> are the 1N5711's used anyway? does their being Shottky diodes
> make them any
> better in this application?
>
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RE: SWR bridge diodes

Ron ZL1TW
OK Thanks Don and Tom,
                                             QRP below 5w is rarely used
here on the K2. I pull the K1 out for those events.....
Anyway, I will get a bundle of 1N5711's off Elecraft next time I put an
order in just to bring everything up to standard.  I'm sure I will need
more eventually with the memory I have, even with a disconnect/grounding
switch installed ....unless I make it switch automatically when I turn the
K2 off [G]
73 ......Ron ZL1TW

At 07:53 a.m. 10/12/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>Ron,
>
>2 reasons for the use of 1N5711 diodes rather than 1N4148 (or even 1N34A) -
>1) the 1N5711s have been shown to produce a more consistent voltage over the
>frequency range than any of the others, and 2) the Shottky design has a low
>diode drop (the 1N34A does too) which will produce readings that are more
>correct at low powers (less than 2 watts).
>
>With the KPA100 installed, the low power factor may not be a large
>consideration for you, so the 1N4148s could stay, but if the greater
>frequency dependency produces a problem, swap back to the 1N5711s.
>
>Yes, keep those antennas shorted when not in use and when thunderstorms
>approach.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > Hi,
> >       The other night I left my K2/100 and KAT100 still attached to the
> > antenna, and we must have had a thunderstorm or the like pass through. I
> > had been using the rig before I hit the sack, and everything was
> > fine, but
> > in the morning I got the dreaded "Hi Cur" warning if I tried to transmit
> > anything higher than 10w.
> > Subsequent testing proved the SWR bridge diodes in both the KPA100
> > *and*  the KAT100 had changed from being diodes to short-circuits. A trip
> > to the local (dead loss) Electronics store to get some more 1N1755 diodes
> > produced 1 diode ! ( typical)
> > What's a bloke going to do with the Christmas postal rush in full
> > swing and
> > Elecraft thousands of miles away?
> > In the end I replaced the 4 diodes with common old 1N4148's and
> > everything
> > appears to be working fine......which brings me to the question......why
> > are the 1N5711's used anyway? does their being Shottky diodes
> > make them any
> > better in this application?
> >
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