Separate list for K3
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I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the
Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes. I do not begrudge the K3 traffic. Quite the contrary: the list is filled with fantastic things all being reported and commented upon in "real-time". It is a wealth of information (for which even we who are waiting to procure our K3 are grateful). But, the K3 discussions have swamped the other stuff making life for the K1 and K2 enthusiasts difficult. I have to take the list in digest form right now because of the high-traffic. If the list were split, I would likely continue to subscribe to both but take one as digest (the K3 posts) and the other as individual posts. A split would make this possible. Is suspect that others would follow my lead and make similar arrangements. I understand this would create work for everybody. A new list would need to be created. Even if the new list was populated by the members of this original list it would mean everybody now has two list addresses to manage. With all that said, I still believe it is worth consideration. My 2-cents. Refunds upon request. -- Scott (NE1RD, owner of two K1s, a K2, a KX1, and lots of mini- modules) B. Scott Andersen | "Magic is real, unless declared integer." [hidden email] | -- The collected sayings of Wiz Zumwalt Acton, MA (NE1RD) | http://www.bsandersen.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In my opinion ... the K3 technical stuff could stay here. All the
moaning and groaning about shipment dates and how Wayne and Eric should run their company could move to another list. Mark On Dec 4, 2007 12:53 PM, B. Scott Andersen <[hidden email]> wrote: > I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the > Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other > Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except > for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both > lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users > who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for > a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by ne1rd
At 12:53 PM 12/4/2007, B. Scott Andersen wrote:
>I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the >Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other Hi Scott, I have my email set up so the K3 stuff has it's own folder... and goes right in... Actually stuff with subjects : :" K1 ,Kx1, dstar, orion all go into the trash...so I can also still watch my icom and tentec lists. You might see how to configure your email client to do this , which would allow you to load the stuff down at one time... and view the k3 stuff at YOUR convenience. Besides the elecraft guys have said they want to keep the family in one spot... a few times, following similar suggestions. bill _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Mark Bayern
I sort my email into folders for the K1, K2, and K3. Easily done in Outlook
Express and eases the burden of sorting things out. Just a thought. Todd, WA7U _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by ne1rd
Yes! I do completely agree, I would also like to see a separate list for
the K3. I am *not* interested in K3 at all, I have now only the K1, and I do have serious plans to buy and build a K2, possibly during the late end of 2008 .. so, for that reason I am only interested in reading posts and getting information regarding the K1 and K2. Today I am receiving the list in a digest, coming 2-4 times each day in my mailbox, and 96% of the content is about K3, this is just too much for me .. I have several times considered to send an unsubscribe message to this list, but decided to bear and stay.. 73 / SM5KRI Chris -- Hamradio: SM5KRI Krister Eriksson, Västerås Sweden e-mail: sm5kri (at) ssa.se My website: www.qrpadventures.net Webmaster for www.sk5aa.se Västerås Radio Club [quote] Message: 35 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:53:16 -0500 From: "B. Scott Andersen" <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3 To: [hidden email] Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes. [[end quote]] _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Ditto, traffic from elecraft email list is getting out of hand with K3 support emails IMHO...
73, Andy (KU7T, ex Y38WF, ex DL6UST) -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Krister Eriksson Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:23 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3 Yes! I do completely agree, I would also like to see a separate list for the K3. I am *not* interested in K3 at all, I have now only the K1, and I do have serious plans to buy and build a K2, possibly during the late end of 2008 .. so, for that reason I am only interested in reading posts and getting information regarding the K1 and K2. Today I am receiving the list in a digest, coming 2-4 times each day in my mailbox, and 96% of the content is about K3, this is just too much for me .. I have several times considered to send an unsubscribe message to this list, but decided to bear and stay.. 73 / SM5KRI Chris -- Hamradio: SM5KRI Krister Eriksson, Västerås Sweden e-mail: sm5kri (at) ssa.se My website: www.qrpadventures.net Webmaster for www.sk5aa.se Västerås Radio Club [quote] Message: 35 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:53:16 -0500 From: "B. Scott Andersen" <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3 To: [hidden email] Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes. [[end quote]] _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I am desparately hoping to take delivery of my K3 before Christmas
(although now feel this is unlikely) but I agree with you both. The list is now out of hand. Disappointingly this is mainly due to a small group of established Elecrafters who believe they own the list and can/should start and contribute to any discussion whether it is relevant or not. Everytime I come back to my computer there are at least 30 irrelevant emails. Not only am I totally frustrated with the lack of progress on my K3 and I am now extremely disturbed at the lack of discipline on this Reflector. I am seriously considering cancelling my order due to to the combined effects of both. Chris G3SJJ Andreas Hofmann wrote: > Ditto, traffic from elecraft email list is getting out of hand with K3 support emails IMHO... > > 73, Andy (KU7T, ex Y38WF, ex DL6UST) > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Krister Eriksson > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:23 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3 > > Yes! I do completely agree, I would also like to see a separate list for > the K3. I am *not* interested in K3 at all, I have now only the K1, and > I do have serious plans to buy and build a K2, possibly during the late > end of 2008 .. so, for that reason I am only interested in reading > posts and getting information regarding the K1 and K2. > > Today I am receiving the list in a digest, coming 2-4 times each day in > my mailbox, and 96% of the content is about K3, this is just too much > for me .. I have several times considered to send an unsubscribe message > to this list, but decided to bear and stay.. > > 73 / SM5KRI Chris > > > -- > Hamradio: SM5KRI > Krister Eriksson, Västerås Sweden > > > [quote] > > Message: 35 > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:53:16 -0500 > From: "B. Scott Andersen" <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3 > To: [hidden email] > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the > Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other > Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except > for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both > lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users > who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for > a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes. > > [[end quote]] > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Sorry you feel that way Chris, but if you do decide to cancel your K3
order (which I am sure you won't) then please give me an opportunity to buy it from you first! Thanks and 161 de Chris, N4CJ (G4BUE) On 5 Dec 2007 at 8:23, G3SJJ wrote: > I am desparately hoping to take delivery of my K3 before Christmas > (although now feel this is unlikely) but I agree with you both. > > The list is now out of hand. Disappointingly this is mainly due to > a > small group of established Elecrafters who believe they own the list > and > can/should start and contribute to any discussion whether it is > relevant > or not. Everytime I come back to my computer there are at least 30 > irrelevant emails. > > Not only am I totally frustrated with the lack of progress on my K3 > and > I am now extremely disturbed at the lack of discipline on this > Reflector. I am seriously considering cancelling my order due to to > the > combined effects of both. > > Chris G3SJJ > > > > > Andreas Hofmann wrote: > > Ditto, traffic from elecraft email list is getting out of hand > with K3 support emails IMHO... > > > > 73, Andy (KU7T, ex Y38WF, ex DL6UST) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Krister > Eriksson > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:23 PM > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3 > > > > Yes! I do completely agree, I would also like to see a separate > list for > > the K3. I am *not* interested in K3 at all, I have now only the > K1, and > > I do have serious plans to buy and build a K2, possibly during the > late > > end of 2008 .. so, for that reason I am only interested in > reading > > posts and getting information regarding the K1 and K2. > > > > Today I am receiving the list in a digest, coming 2-4 times each > day in > > my mailbox, and 96% of the content is about K3, this is just too > much > > for me .. I have several times considered to send an unsubscribe > message > > to this list, but decided to bear and stay.. > > > > 73 / SM5KRI Chris > > > > > > -- > > Hamradio: SM5KRI > > Krister Eriksson, Västerås Sweden > > > > > > [quote] > > > > Message: 35 > > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:53:16 -0500 > > From: "B. Scott Andersen" <[hidden email]> > > Subject: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3 > > To: [hidden email] > > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; > format=flowed > > > > I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting > the > > Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all > other > > Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except > > for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both > > lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users > > who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for > > a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes. > > > > [[end quote]] > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Chris G3SJJ
You know, as frustrated as you and some others are about the reflector being
clogged with K3 stuff currently, many of us are equally frustrated by the constant complaining about the reflector. They want to shape it to their specific parameters, which ignores, to a great extent, what the rest want. Elecraft provides this reflector for its products and product users (and user wannabe's). They also do a pretty darn good job of monitoring and controlling its content. But the key is that this is the Elecraft reflector, not the K1, or K2, or K3 reflector, etc. Remember, Eric has to monitor this stuff, and it would be wrong to make him chase all over to, and manage, different reflectors to do so. It certainly would complicate his task. A lot of very good suggestions have been given on how to deal with issues where someone wants to "cut down" on the inflow to one's inbox. Instead of complaining (and clogging up the inbox of others even more), why not actually TRY one of these suggestions? Most importantly, it's not required that you get each piece of mail separately. I use the digest form frequently for that very reason, and switch to individual messages when it is more important to be closer to real time receipt of the messages. If you don't use Outlook Express (or Windows Mail as it is called if you have Vista), you should check into it--or some similar program. You can sort your inbox into topics, and have your mail automatically, very neatly, filtered accordingly. It's not perfect, but it sure helps a bunch. If you don't feel like your topic preferences are being adequately dealt with, try starting your own reflector! Yahoo makes that a very simple task. You will find out soon enough whether many others share your feelings. The point is that people should be a little more proactive about solving their own problems--especially when there are tools already provided which allow them to do so. Don't expect Elecraft to jump through all kinds of hoops to cater to individual preferences. Quit sitting on your hands, and do what you can do to solve your concerns! Finally, if you have some issue with the way Elecraft is handling it's business, your email should be to them and not the reflector. I think it is very counterproductive to start a bitch session here and try to stir up the troops. If you have a legitimate problem or question, which I consider to be one which the group may be able to help you solve, that is probably appropriate. This is NOT the "Customer Service" reflector. It's not that I don't appreciate your frustration--we all have probably experienced some of it along the line--it's just that we can't help you! Elecraft is not doing things perfectly, but you will be hard pressed to find any other ham radio company which is trying harder to effectively deal with issues as they arise. How many companies like this do we have where you are basically on a first name basis with all of the principals? But not everyone will be satisfied with this effort. When it bugs you more than you can stand, you should try talking to them directly. Chances are you will get a very well reasoned response in due time. So please, just give it some thought before you create more frustration for yourself by not taking the most effective action. Dave W7AQK ----- Original Message ----- From: "G3SJJ" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3 I am desparately hoping to take delivery of my K3 before Christmas (although now feel this is unlikely) but I agree with you both. The list is now out of hand. Disappointingly this is mainly due to a small group of established Elecrafters who believe they own the list and can/should start and contribute to any discussion whether it is relevant or not. Everytime I come back to my computer there are at least 30 irrelevant emails. Not only am I totally frustrated with the lack of progress on my K3 and I am now extremely disturbed at the lack of discipline on this Reflector. I am seriously considering cancelling my order due to to the combined effects of both. Chris G3SJJ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 06:22, Dave Yarnes wrote:
> If you don't use Outlook Express (or Windows Mail as it is called if you > have Vista), you should check into it--or some similar program. You can > sort your inbox into topics, and have your mail automatically, very neatly, > filtered accordingly. It's not perfect, but it sure helps a bunch. I think pretty much all email programs can be set up to filter messages. For example I am running an old version of Ximian Evolution on a Linux computer. It's in the "Tools" > "Filters" directory. I think Outlook calls it "Rules". But for that to work, it's important for posters to remember to put "K3", "K2" or whatever in the subject line. I myself have been pretty absent-minded about this in the past - I'll try to do better in future. Al N1AL _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Separate list for K3
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On Wednesday 05 December 2007 12:40:42 Alan Bloom wrote:
> I think pretty much all email programs can be set up to filter > messages. For example I am running an old version of Ximian Evolution > on a Linux computer. I have just set my KMail filter to send email from this list containing "K3" in the subject or body of text to /dev/null Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 -- _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by ne1rd
Thanks to all who responded both on the list and off.
For the record, I am an extremely happy Elecraft customer and believe that the Aptos team has performed admirably. They have been extremely generous by giving us visibility into their rollout. For those of us who are used to being "early adopters" it has been a great ride. For others, uncomfortable on the razor's edge, there has been some gnashing of teeth, with some of it, sadly, expressed here. I would be mortified if my suggestion here were misinterpreted as anything but a mechanical change to the list. There is a firehose of information. I was just looking for a way to better manage it now and in the future. My concern was simple: if this level of traffic is maintained with just a hundred or so radios in the field, what will the list look like after the 1000th has shipped?! As per a suggestion I am now posting from www.nabble.com I second the motion that this is an interesting alternative to receiving the multiple bulk message digests each day. While it does not address the crux of the problem I raised, it does provide a nice viewer for absorbing the list off-line. -- Scott (NE1RD... who finished _2_ K1s in November {hooray}!)
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