Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

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> On May 18, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> There is little doubt in my mind. I had a friend, the original w0ir, since then SK, who had a card from King Hussein of Jordan with raised real gold lettering. It was beautiful.  I read of another ham with one, who invited some of his ham friends over to his house to see the card. After they left, his card was gone. Money can't replace that card. It's all about evil.
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> Dick, n0ce
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> Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 18:19:55 +0000
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> Dick, there are no excuse for being dishonest, Period!
> The great majority of Operators on this and other forums are honest law abiding citizens.However, make no mistake! There are Operators out there who know just as much about these radios as you and I.  And! Are as crooked as a $3.00 bill.
> Wanna place a small wager of a Snicker Bar, that the  culprit who stole that radio at Dayton over the Weekend is a Ham Operator.
> ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS
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[Brian Murrey]

Eric is not only totally off base, he's wrong.   When someone steals
something the thief is to blame. Granny taught us at a very young age,
if it isn't yours, then you leave it alone.   It's not the victims
fault.  Ever.  Why would you hire people you can't trust, sounds like a
better job of screening applicants at your factory might be in order.  
Sure we all should take precautions to safeguard our property.  A thief
is a thief, always will be a thief.

So I disagree, with Eric.

73 de KB9BVN

Ken of you'd like to continue this discussion, please take it to email
and off the reflector.  I'll do the same.



On 5/18/2015 3:17 PM, Kenneth Talbott wrote:

> Brian, Eric is not totally off base.  I managed manufacturing and
> engineering organizations all my life.  The occasional incidents of theft
> resulted from a normally good person being overcome by temptation when
> someone didn't secure their purse, locker, toolbox, or other personal
> property.  This is not meant to excuse the perp!  More than once I
> terminated and prosecuted the culprit.  And often I lost an excellent
> employee, one whose services I would have retained had the purse, locker,
> toolbox been secured.  It behooves all of us to avoid placing people in
> situations where their innate honesty is simply overwhelmed by lust for an
> object!
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> I always mount my mobile radio so it is not visible from outside the locked
> vehicle.  Antenna is a bit more difficult, but I will remove it and place it
> inside vehicle if in doubt.  And I carry a black bath towel to cover any
> article I can't hide.  (Towel always comes in handy at Hamvention!)
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> I do not know the details of the loss, but do regret that the ham community
> is stained by the mere possibility that the perpetrator was one of us.
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> Ken - ke4rg
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> When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.   Socrates
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 2:15 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear
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> Eric...that's the most ridiculous thing I've read today.   How is it the
> KX3 owners fault at all?  Please, explain.
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> On 5/18/2015 1:06 PM, EricJ wrote:
>> If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame.
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>> Eric
>> KE6US
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[EricJ-2]

I don't know the details in this particular case. I googled "KX3 stolen"
and got two hits. One was stolen at Dayton...no doubt a target rich
collection of rigs to steal what with half the cars bristling with
antennas. The other was stolen in 2014, locked in the trunk of a car at
night with a radio pack full of equipment, several handguns and shooting
accessories.

I won't speculate on the details, but I'll offer two examples of my own.
My pickup was broken into. The thieves took a 15 year old scratched up
KMart AM/FM/CD, and a roll of paper towels from behind the seat. I was
parked during the week in the unguarded, unoccupied parking lot (except
for my truck) of a local wilderness park. I was gone hiking for 2-3
hours. I have to accept some responsibility for the loss of that POS
radio and half roll of towels. The real loss for me was the broken door
lock. $85 and it can be punched out again any time in seconds
unobtrusively and almost noiselessly.

Same truck. My tailgate was stolen late evening in my driveway with
bright motion detector lights functioning. Basically, I provided
adequate lighting at their job site. I have the bottom of the line F150.
Stick shift, rubber mats. And no factory tailgate lock. Two guys can
take a tailgate in about 3 minutes or less. If it has a lock, I'd give
them 5 minutes.

Lesson 1:  They will steal anything. There is little risk and if they
get $5, they at least covered their gas expense.

Lesson 2:  Your vehicle, I don't care what make or model, is NOT secure.
A "locked" trunk full of radios and guns is not really locked. Your
stuff is just out of sight. Police cars are broken into or stolen.

Lesson 3: Your level of security should be in proportion to the value of
the items "on offer" to thieves. There's a saying, "Never gamble more
than you are willing to lose."

Lesson 4: You are being watched. Thieves have a lot of the same high
tech stuff you have (they probably stole it though). They watch you
punching in PINs. They watch you loading your handguns into the trunk
when you leave the range. They watch you lock your radio in your trunk.
They watch you remove your antenna when you park somewhere.

Given just those few lessons (and there are so many more), it isn't that
difficult to assign some responsibility to the victim.

I hope it isn't too unsettling for us to discover there are bad people
out there willing to do bad things.

The discussion has already taken more list time than it should so any
comments, please email me.

Eric
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[Jim Bolit]

I can answer.

He had a rough childhood.

Add to that, liberalism,

And it equals:  the victim is at fault, always.....................

W6AIM

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear

Eric...that's the most ridiculous thing I've read today.   How is it the
KX3 owners fault at all?  Please, explain.

On 5/18/2015 1:06 PM, EricJ wrote:
> If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame.
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> Eric
> KE6US

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[Charlie T, K3ICH]

I remember growing up in Forestville Maryland in the 50's & 60's.  Just
about everybody left their doors open in the summer, or at least unlocked
even if you left the house for a quick shopping trip.

A friend of mine and I have that sort of relationship.  We're both hams and
the very LAST thing either of us would do is pilfer anything from the other.
We need to have that same attitude for everybody we come in contact with.

The root of our problems today is a complete breakdown of morality in our
society.  I won't point any fingers, but I think you can guess what I feel
is the cause and which groups are most responsibile for this decline.

All of us "seniors" remember this mindset, where you could leave your
windows open at a hamfest without fear of any unwanted  "perp" activity.

I'm not sure if we can ever get back to that, so it's lock your doors, take
anything of value out of your vehicle and get a CWP if your state allows.

73, Charlie k3ICH

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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

This thread was closed yesterday.
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Eric
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> On May 19, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I remember growing up in Forestville Maryland in the 50's & 60's.  Just about everybody left their doors open in the summer, or at least unlocked even if you left the house for a quick shopping trip.

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[Stewart]

On 5/18/2015 1:44 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote:

>   If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame.
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> Not a criticism, but a comment:  I think I understand what you are driving at, but this strikes a nerve. The thief is totally to blame!  We need to get rid of the 'partially-to-blame' attitudes in our society.  While I grew up, there were no shades of gray when it came to honesty.  We have let ourselves be brainwashed.  (The thieves could also be gleaning info from the reflector.)
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When I was stationed in Turkey, many years ago, If you were involved in
a accident it was automatically partly your fault. The reasoning was; If
you weren't there the accident couldn't have happened.
Stew, ke4yh

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