Fellow Chasers of the lost RF, There has been much discussion on the reflector about tuner losses but most seems to be theory and conjecture. It would be good to see some typical figures for tuners (into random antennas). How do Elecraft, Z-match, balanced tuners, Johnson matchbox and tuners with output baluns compare when working into complex loads? The following is an easy way to find out. Simple Method for Measuring Antenna tuner loss with reactive loads I haven't tried this method but it should work. It is easy to measure the efficiency of a tuner with resistive loads. The problem is with complex reactive loads, as it is not possible to measure the output with simple instrumentation. The following is a very simple procedure but does require the use of 2 other tuners capable of matching similar loads. Let us assume that we want to know the loss of antenna tuner "A" when it is matched to an unknown antenna load. In the following, all measurements are made with pure resistive 50 ohm loads so a simple power meter can be used. 1. Tune tuner "A" for lowest SWR with antenna (note settings) 2. Connect output of tuner "A" to output of tuner "B" 3. Connect input of tuner "B" to 50 ohm dummy load 4. Tune tuner "B" for lowest SWR 5. Measure power loss through tuner "A" + tuner "B"......... (XdB) 6. Repeat steps 2, 3, 4 and 5 replacing "B" with tuner "C".. (YdB) 7. Repeat steps 2, 3, 4 and 5 using tuner "B" and "C"....... (ZdB) A little simple algebra: Tuner "A" + tuner "B" = XdB Tuner "A" + tuner "C" = YdB Tuner "B" + tuner "C" = ZdB Add the first 2 lines 2A + B + C = X + Y Substitute "Z" for "B" + "C" 2A = X + Y - Z Loss of tuner "A" = (X + Y - Z)/2dB Notes: The exercise is much simpler when you have 2 identical tuners. All you have to do is half the loss measured through the 2 tuners. The same power meter should be used for power input and for power output as meter calibrations are not accurate enough. A more accurate way is to measure the RF voltage across the tuner input and across the dummy load, to find the power loss. This could be an interesting club meeting project to compare a wide variety of tuners. 73 and enjoy Tony Fegan VE3QF K2 # 490 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Tony,
To save you and others some work, Frank Witt did an extensive measurement series on many tuners; and published it in QST and I think, QEX magazines with additional studies. If you are an ARRL member, you can likely find the info from the pieces on the ARRL web site. It may be in the open Technical topics section. He measured the Johnson Matchbox, and found although a good balanced tuner, it did not match all impedances and work on all of today's bands. -Stuart K5KVH _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Stuart K5KVH wrote:
He (Frank Witt) measured the Johnson Matchbox, and found although a good balanced tuner, it did not match all impedances and work on all of today's bands. -Stuart K5KVH ----------------------- E.F. Johnson specified the "Matchbox" tuners for 3.5 to 30 MHz. Over that range, the Johnson specifications say they were capable of matching antennas showing feedpoint impedances of 50 to 1200 Ohms into balanced lines and 50 to 2000 ohms into unbalanced lines. 1200 ohms is not especially impressive when feeding the "all-band doublet" type of antenna with open wire line. The impedance can easily exceed this value. On the lower end, 50 ohms is no great value either. Short antennas can easily show impedances below 10 ohms. So, while the venerable "Matchbox" ATU's were very good, they definitely couldn't "load up the bedsprings" as we used to say in praise of a tuner that could load anything! Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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