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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Skimmer and the K3S

"Hi-End Operators": Well perhaps in their view!

Phil W7OX

On 9/4/16 9:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

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Bill W4ZV

Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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Peter W2IRT wrote

My previous setup for a DXpedition pileup was to put the pileup on VFO-A,
the DX on SUB (locked), and see all the callers on Skimmer's interface. Find
the guy sending 5NN TU and pounce. The only problem was that everything from
about 4 to 6 kHz above the DX frequency gets obscured by the birdies/mirror
images on the skimmer display. And since most big DXpeditions split up, I
would lose a ton of callers in that murky no-man's land. The skimmer turned
out to be no help at all on some of the massive DXpeditions earlier this
spring as a result. The exception was Heard Island, who were split down,
rather than up. That worked like a champ on a few bands where the pileup was
insane.

I don't know about the K3S but I've been doing this with the K3 for many years. I even wrote a macro for fast setup which I published 5 years ago:

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Pileup-Buster-Macro-td6579405.html

It sounds to me like there could be a problem with the K3S's I-Q output causing your birdies. FWIW I never had any birdie issues using my K3, LP-PAN and Audiophile 2496 soundcard. I still prefer Skimmer's panadapter because clicking the last "599" decoder dot will QSY your TX to the exact frequency (within 10 Hz) once the system is calibrated...no need position a cursor any closer than the decoder dot.

73 & GL!

Bill W4ZV

Wes Stewart-2

Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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Exactly!

9/5/2016 7:10 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> "Hi-End Operators": Well perhaps in their view!
>
> Phil W7OX

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briancom

Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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Not had any problem either. The massive pileups this Spring presented
no display problems. This good experience goes back for at least 5
years with several computer systems and a couple sound cards.

Wonder if the birdies/spurious signal problems are due to not doing the
I/Q equalization or some kind of bad solder joint either. If you did
it, do the results look reasonable? (Equalization here is done with a a
signal generator with pure output)

The other possibility is that the sound card is being over driven.

The only problem I've encountered is when the DX comes back to a station
and SKIMMER then spots it on the DX stations frequency. Watch out for that!

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 9/5/2016 14:45 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote:

> Peter W2IRT wrote
>> My previous setup for a DXpedition pileup was to put the pileup on VFO-A,
>> the DX on SUB (locked), and see all the callers on Skimmer's interface.
>> Find
>> the guy sending 5NN TU and pounce. The only problem was that everything
>> from
>> about 4 to 6 kHz above the DX frequency gets obscured by the
>> birdies/mirror
>> images on the skimmer display. And since most big DXpeditions split up, I
>> would lose a ton of callers in that murky no-man's land. The skimmer
>> turned
>> out to be no help at all on some of the massive DXpeditions earlier this
>> spring as a result. The exception was Heard Island, who were split down,
>> rather than up. That worked like a champ on a few bands where the pileup
>> was
>> insane.
>
> I don't know about the K3S but I've been doing this with the K3 for many
> years. I even wrote a macro for fast setup which I published 5 years ago:
>
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Pileup-Buster-Macro-td6579405.html
>
> It sounds to me like there could be a problem with the K3S's I-Q output
> causing your birdies. FWIW I never had any birdie issues using my K3,
> LP-PAN and Audiophile 2496 soundcard. I still prefer Skimmer's panadapter
> because clicking the last "599" decoder dot will QSY your TX to the exact
> frequency (within 10 Hz) once the system is calibrated...no need position a
> cursor any closer than the decoder dot.
>
> 73 & GL!
>
> Bill W4ZV
>
>
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kstover

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Nice commercial.

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written.
Which part of that isn't resonating?

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin.

On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it
> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about
> $6,000 on an outdated design?
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
>
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>
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> From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft]
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> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S
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> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this !
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI>
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> 73 Mike
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Peter W2IRT

RE: Skimmer and the K3S

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big case of buyer’s remorse. I don’t need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod offers so long as everything’s controllable in software. I’m very comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don’t need the physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price, anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it’s legal and considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it.

----------------------------------------------------

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Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

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From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after it
> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about
> $6,000 on an outdated design?
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
>
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
>
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
>
>
>
> From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft]
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> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM
> To: Peter W2IRT
> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S
>
>
>
> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this !
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI>
> &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI
>
> 73 Mike
> WB6DJI
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Bill Frantz

Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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OK. Building an AI that would either complete a DX contact or
compete in a contest would be a neat hack, and probably
achievable. But, would running it be any fun? Could you be proud
of the certificates hanging on your wall that you gathered using
this kind of AI?

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Jerry Moore

Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.Just my 2c.

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Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00)
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I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it.

----------------------------------------------------

Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

Nice commercial.

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written.
Which part of that isn't resonating?

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin.

On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it

> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming
> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about
> $6,000 on an outdated design?
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
>
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
>
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
>
>
>
> From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft]
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> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM
> To: Peter W2IRT
> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S
>
>
>
> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this !
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI>
&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI>

> &v=jjZ-l6v7gEI
>
> 73 Mike
> WB6DJI
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k6mrmagnet

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“There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.”

There is: Assisted vs. non-Assisted.

And then there are Sprints. Real “Boy and His Radio”* contesting.

*copyright K0HB

Ken K6MR

From: jermo<mailto:[hidden email]>
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To: Peter W2IRT<mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.Just my 2c.

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From: Peter W2IRT <[hidden email]>
Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00)
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it.

----------------------------------------------------

Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

Nice commercial.

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written.
Which part of that isn't resonating?

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin.

On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI>
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Two separate categories. I am one but not the other.

On 9/5/2016 12:12 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
> I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
> and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator.

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From: jermo [mailto:[hidden email]]
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To: Peter W2IRT; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.

Just my 2c.

[pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is mastering the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into and of itself? Frankly it’s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a well-engineered station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but assembling and understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables you to run (or S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way that your “thinking” workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that’s an equally important skill.

As I discuss “high end” I’m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the wall necessarily (although they’re a reasonable measure IMHO). It’s the difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and friendship more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station’s limits as far as they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and automation or at least integration. If that last part is what moves you, then you’re pretty high end.

Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don’t think anybody here would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF, operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it’s not as sophisticated as other technologies, as I’m finding out by attempting to get a working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I’m envious of those whose equipment lends itself to that function.

And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that’s focused on technology; assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, others wouldn’t dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). I’m just trying to make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more interesting.

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-------- Original message --------
From: Peter W2IRT <[hidden email]>
Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00)
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it.

----------------------------------------------------

Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

Nice commercial.

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written.
Which part of that isn't resonating?

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin.

On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
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Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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Jermo,

Agreed. I don't want my hobby to rely on a PC or laptop.
Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but it's my Jurassic world and I prefer to use my K-Line as a hands on operator and would not use a term such as high end, mediocre or low end etc, I enjoy the challenge of chasing expeditions and to me, using skimmer and similar programs means technology is doing what I prefer to do myself. This gives ME a buzz and I feel I have achieved something.
I compete against myself, I don't get upset when it takes a while to get heard.
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: "jermo" <[hidden email]>
Sent: ‎6/‎09/‎2016 5:37 AM
To: "Peter W2IRT" <[hidden email]>; "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.Just my 2c.

Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Peter W2IRT <[hidden email]>
Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00)
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it.

----------------------------------------------------

Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

Nice commercial.

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written.
Which part of that isn't resonating?

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin.

On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
it

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI>
&v=jjZ-l6v7gEI>

>
>
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RE: Skimmer and the K3S

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From: Bill Frantz [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:27 PM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

OK. Building an AI that would either complete a DX contact or
compete in a contest would be a neat hack, and probably
achievable. But, would running it be any fun?

[pjd] Depends on your definition of fun. I’d love to try it, personally.

Could you be proud of the certificates hanging on your wall that you gathered using this kind of AI?

[pjd] I can’t speak for you or anybody else, but if I assembled and maintained such a station, absolutely.

The question I ask whenever a discussion of this nature crops up: where do you stop the technology clock? Y2K? 1975? 1958? WW2? Marconi-era? If we’re to advance the radio art and the available pool of qualified technical people what better way than to push the tech boundaries and compete against one another to test its reliability and our skills? No, it’s not the same as sitting with a paddle and a paper log and a dupe sheet but is that latter skill advancing the radio art? Fun as hell, you betcha, but is it advancing the art?

Insofar as I’m personally concerned, I want a radio that has the best receiver and filtering money can buy, the ability to receive on multiple bands simultaneously, see a graphic representation of not just every signal on the band but their calls as well, full integration to my logging software and rotator, the ability to easily send any mode natively (CW, SSB+voice keying, RTTY, JT-65/JT-9 and anything else for that matter) and a way to one-click tune, call and log. To be able to do this with only a couple of cables and not a rat’s nest of wiring is a huge bonus, as is SO2R in one box.

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Peter,

I do see your point. Whilst not my style of operating, I do understand what your trying to achieve.
Makes a great hobby when each of us can have such a varied range of interests, yet we all end up the same place....communicating
Gotta love this hobby
Gary

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From: jermo [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM
To: Peter W2IRT; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.

Just my 2c.

[pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is mastering the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into and of itself? Frankly it’s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a well-engineered station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but assembling and understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables you to run (or S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way that your “thinking” workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that’s an equally important skill.

As I discuss “high end” I’m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the wall necessarily (although they’re a reasonable measure IMHO). It’s the difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and friendship more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station’s limits as far as they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and automation or at least integration. If that last part is what moves you, then you’re pretty high end.

Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don’t think anybody here would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF, operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it’s not as sophisticated as other technologies, as I’m finding out by attempting to get a working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I’m envious of those whose equipment lends itself to that function.

And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that’s focused on technology; assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, others wouldn’t dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). I’m just trying to make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more interesting.

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-------- Original message --------
From: Peter W2IRT <[hidden email]>
Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00)
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S

I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
physical interface as much as some ops do.

My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it.

----------------------------------------------------

Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]]

Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Peter W2IRT
Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S

Nice commercial.

You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written.
Which part of that isn't resonating?

All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end
operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin.

On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
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Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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Well, just because you bought a K3 doesn't mean you can't get rid of the K3 and buy whatever computer-peripheral-radio you want. Makes more sense than grumbling about the bad radio you think you're stuck with.

I used to be a "high end" operator -- back when I had a Globe King 500b, a 75A4, and a pencil to handle logging ... ;)

Grant NQ5T

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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Peter W2IRT <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
> and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
> their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
> K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
> case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
> offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
> comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
> physical interface as much as some ops do.
>
> My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
> anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
> in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
> them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
> considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
> ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
> computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
> my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
> high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
> those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it.
>
>
>
>
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> Regards,
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>
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> From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]]
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> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
> To: Peter W2IRT
> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S
>
>
>
> Nice commercial.
>
> You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written.
> Which part of that isn't resonating?
>
> All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end
> operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin.
>
>
> On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
>
>
>> Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
> it
>> is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming
>> everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about
>> $6,000 on an outdated design?
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Regards,
>> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
>>
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>>
>> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
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>>
>>
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>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM
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>> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S
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>>
>> Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this !
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
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Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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That's nice, and some contesters are finding the latest and greatest
Flex radios a good choice. I think it's reasonable to note that Flex
didn't really have a serious contester's radio until they had
user-friendly software and the Maestro box. The latter started shipping
this year. In my view, I'd say that the Flex 6700 didn't become a
serious contesting platform until then. (Not counting beta software and
hardware).

Also, I'd bet that the Flex 6700 is not a viable option in a
multi-transmitter station (or around broadcast transmitters, or with one
or more close-in ham neighbors) without serious bandpass filters in
front of it. Bandpass filters commonly used for SO2R and in
multi-transmitter contesting stations can fulfill that function. BUT --
those filters are NOT going to be sufficient when the strong signals are
in-band -- for example, 40M in EU and AS, and on 20M, where high power
broadcast stations are just outside 20M, but still within the passband
of most practical bandpass filters. Or in a big multi-multi with a run
station and a multiplier station on the same band.

If I'm not mistaken, the original K3 first shipped in 2008, and was
updated to a K3S in 2015. K3 owners could get about 90% of that update
by spending about $800 on user-replaceable boards (figuring two
synthesizers for a K3 with a Sub-RX, the new preamp, and the new I/O
board). If you weren't happy with the performance of your earlier Flex
radio, it cost the full price of the new radio to upgrade.

If the big Flex radio seems like a better choice, go for it! I'm pretty
happy with the integration of my updated K3s with my computers and
logging software (and I was happy before the update). The LAST thing I
want is my rotators spinning every time I put a new call in the N1MM
Plus entry window -- if he heard me well enough to call me, or if I hear
him well enough to call him, I can usually work him with the rotator
just where it is. I want that to be my decision, not the computer's!

73, Jim K9YC

On Mon,9/5/2016 1:46 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
> Insofar as I'm personally concerned, I want a radio that has the best
> receiver and filtering money can buy, the ability to receive on multiple
> bands simultaneously, see a graphic representation of not just every signal
> on the band but their calls as well, full integration to my logging software
> and rotator, the ability to easily send any mode natively (CW, SSB+voice
> keying, RTTY, JT-65/JT-9 and anything else for that matter) and a way to
> one-click tune, call and log. To be able to do this with only a couple of
> cables and not a rat's nest of wiring is a huge bonus, as is SO2R in one
> box.

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Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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Ham is ham, tech is tech. Ham contests should be less about tech and more refined to true personal ham skills. Getting the highest contest score doesn't mean you won if you NEEDED tech to decode it all. There's a fine line that, once crossed, is against the spirit of the hobby in my opinion ( in contests).

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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Peter W2IRT <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: jermo [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:36 PM
> To: Peter W2IRT; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S
>
> The Score shouldn't be interpreted as an indicator of skill or a high end operator, rather just another set of tools. There should probably be a separate category for folks that use technology instead of Personal skill.
> Just my 2c.
>
>
> [pjd] Not to deviate too far from the point of the discussion, but is mastering the technologies necessary to achieve this success not a skill into and of itself? Frankly it’s pretty easy to sit in the chair with a well-engineered station and run Europe, SA and JA for a weekend, but assembling and understanding a complex computer assisted station that enables you to run (or S&P) effortlessly, and to do so reliably and in such a way that your “thinking” workload is less at 4am Sunday morning, that’s an equally important skill.
>
> As I discuss “high end” I’m not talking about dollars spent or awards on the wall necessarily (although they’re a reasonable measure IMHO). It’s the difference between the guy who gets on a few nights a week and enjoys ragchewing with his buddies, maybe does Field Day (for the food and friendship more than anything) vs ops who get on to push their station’s limits as far as they can both in terms of success in awards/etc and automation or at least integration. If that last part is what moves you, then you’re pretty high end.
>
> Our K-line gear is wonderfully high performance, I don’t think anybody here would disagree with that, but for guys like me who love integrating pure RF, operator skill and computer technology seamlessly, sadly it’s not as sophisticated as other technologies, as I’m finding out by attempting to get a working Skimmer system functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump through as many hoops to achieve this, IMHO, and I’m envious of those whose equipment lends itself to that function.
>
> And there IS a category (at least in contesting) that’s focused on technology; assisted class. Some folks would never enter in that category, others wouldn’t dream of entering unassisted. We all have fun (or should). I’m just trying to make MY fun a little MORE fun, or at least a little more interesting.
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Peter W2IRT <[hidden email]>
> Date: 9/5/16 15:12 (GMT-05:00)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Skimmer and the K3S
>
> I consider anybody who seriously contests and is a DXer with an eye on #1 HR
> and 3,000 in the Challenge to be a high-end operator. Someone who pushes
> their radio, antenna system and skills as hard as they can go. I do love the
> K3/P3/kPod, but when I see what the Flex 6700 can do natively I have a big
> case of buyer's remorse. I don't need knobs and buttons beyond what the kPod
> offers so long as everything's controllable in software. I'm very
> comfortable staring at computer screens all day long and don't need the
> physical interface as much as some ops do.
>
> My point is that with all this wizardry available today for a modest price,
> anybody on a conventional radio is going to be at a significant disadvantage
> in DX pileups and CW contests for those whose station and/or skills relegate
> them to S&P (sadly, both counts on my end). So long as it's legal and
> considered acceptable from the standpoint of contest committees, and the
> ARRL/CW awards branches, I want every single legitimate advantage that
> computer integration can offer me. The K3s/P3 was a massive improvement over
> my old Mark V, but it was evolutionary, not revolutionaly. I consider the
> high-end SDR world to be revolutionary and absolutely game changing for
> those who are wise enough or wealthy enough to take advantage of it.
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
>
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
>
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
>
>
>
> From: Kevin [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]]
>
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:45 AM
> To: Peter W2IRT
> Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S
>
>
>
> Nice commercial.
>
> You won't be "Skimming Everything" until the software is re-written.
> Which part of that isn't resonating?
>
> All of a sudden your a "high end operator"? I'm a decidedly low end
> operator but I know how to configure my rig and software...just sayin.
>
>
> On 9/4/2016 11:29 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
>
>
> > Exactly. This is why the K3S and any conventional radio that comes after
> it
> > is a Bad Decision for high-end operators. SO2R with one box, skimming
> > everything, using only IP control. Remind me again why I just spent about
> > $6,000 on an outdated design?
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Regards,
> > Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
> >
> > DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
> >
> > www.facebook.com/W2IRT
> >
> >
> >
> > From: WB6DJI [via Elecraft]
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> > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 12:17 PM
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> > Subject: Re: Skimmer and the K3S
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> >
> >
> > Wish the K3S and Skimmer did this !
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106
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Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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First off I am no Flex Fan, and am a happy camper with a couple K3 radios,

K9CT contest station has swapped all their K3 for Flex 6700 and ran a
couple
contests recently high power multi multi. You can find some place on the
web or on the Midwest Society of contesters blog about the operators
comments and how the Flex worked out.
They seem to be happy campers, so a lot of the Flex problems with
strong signals must have been worked out. Have seen several pictures of
the
setup and operators using the Flex.

Not sure where high end op came from, but do know what high dollar op
means when you see these large contest set ups.

73 Merv K9FD/KH6

>
>
> Also, I'd bet that the Flex 6700 is not a viable option in a
> multi-transmitter station (or around broadcast transmitters, or with
> one or more close-in ham neighbors) without serious bandpass filters
> in front of it. Bandpass filters commonly used for SO2R and in
> multi-transmitter contesting stations can fulfill that function. BUT
> -- those filters are NOT going to be sufficient when the strong
> signals are in-band -- for example, 40M in EU and AS, and on 20M,
> where high power broadcast stations are just outside 20M, but still
> within the passband of most practical bandpass filters. Or in a big
> multi-multi with a run station and a multiplier station on the same band.
>
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>

Tony Estep

Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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>
> ....I’m finding out by attempting to get a working Skimmer system
> functioning on my K3S. One should not have to jump through as many hoops to
> achieve this...

------------------
As many have posted here, it's not hard to do. But even though it's easy
enough to set up and use, I didn't find it to be an enhancement to my
normal operation.

It's true that some find Skimmer advantageous. Bill, W4ZV is a super-op who
has posted some favorable commentary about the use of Skimmer, and some
clever ideas about how to get the most out of it. But to tell the truth,
after I set it up and used it for a while, I scratched it. It might be
useful in a contest but it was of no value in a pileup. If you have a
two-receiver radio and a panadaptor, you can succeed in any pileup.

Tony KT0NY
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Re: Skimmer and the K3S

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Peter - Thanks for your comments. I knew that ham radio was a
very big tent, but I didn't know that building a station was a
goal in and of itself for some hams. My view of the tent has
gotten bigger.

I'm a bit blind in the area of automatic radio. I've never run
CWSkimmer. I don't know of any similar program for voice modes.
My interests are mostly in emergency services and building
equipment and using it on the air. I also get a lot of pleasure
in club contesting at events like field day and CQP. I chase DX
"because it's there" and working through a pileup with 100W and
wire antennas is a challenge.

Because of my emergency service interest, I tend to avoid the JT
modes because they can't be used to send complex messages like,
"We need 5 units of type O+ blood." Emergency preparedness makes
me want to be able to send and receive CW without a computer
because CW gives me the best chance of cobbling something
together when "the bad thing" really happens.

As far as building equipment goes, I figure that hams can be
sorted into these groups:

People who buy equipment to build a station

People who buy kits to build a station.

People who build circuits from books/magazines to build a station

People who design their own equipment to build a station

All of these are legitimate parts of the hobby.

I have a foot in at least every category. I have bought radios
for my cars. I have built radio kits for general use. I have
built circuits from books, and I have designed my own automatic
antenna switch controller and built it from scratch. The people
I am in total awe of are the ones that design and build their
own transceivers. Thank, Wayne and Eric and the rest at Elecraft
for sharing your designs.

73 Bill AE6JV

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(408)356-8506 | services. The market doesn't | 16345
Englewood Ave
www.pwpconsult.com | want to pay for them. | Los Gatos,
CA 95032

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