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Re: Solar Cycle

Kevin Cozens-2
On 16-07-21 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all) was
> on the rise.
> Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10
> meters during the daytime hours.

The bands would have been a lot quieter back in the 50's as there was
neither the population density nor the amount of technology to pollute the
airwaves with stray RF signals.

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Re: Solar Cycle

Grant Youngman-2
Or even DX on 15 at 2-3 o'clock in the morning.  My little DX-40 worked a lot of DX in those days -- phone and CW -- and it rarely mattered what time of day it was.

I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since ....

Grant NQ5T

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> On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Cozens <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 16-07-21 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all) was
>> on the rise.
>> Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10
>> meters during the daytime hours.
>
> The bands would have been a lot quieter back in the 50's as there was neither the population density nor the amount of technology to pollute the airwaves with stray RF signals.
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Kevin.
>
>
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Re: Solar Cycle

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I have tried to find the NOVA series on Direct TV without success.  Anyone know what channel it will be on?
Mel, K6KBE


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Or even DX on 15 at 2-3 o'clock in the morning.  My little DX-40 worked a lot of DX in those days -- phone and CW -- and it rarely mattered what time of day it was.

I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since ....

Grant NQ5T

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> On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Cozens <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 16-07-21 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all) was
>> on the rise.
>> Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10
>> meters during the daytime hours.
>
> The bands would have been a lot quieter back in the 50's as there was neither the population density nor the amount of technology to pollute the airwaves with stray RF signals.
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Kevin.
>
>
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Re: Solar Cycle

Guy Olinger K2AV
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I remember 1956 - 1958. Conditions have never been that way since. We are
in the trough of a very long term solar super-cycle that had a peak in
1956.

In '56 every day in Columbus OH I could see test patterns on channel 2 from
Miami FL. Oh, to have had a K3/KPA500 back then.

11 meters was a ham band on my friend's dad's 75A3. And 10 was jumping.

73, Guy K2AV

On Friday, July 22, 2016, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Or even DX on 15 at 2-3 o'clock in the morning.  My little DX-40 worked a
> lot of DX in those days -- phone and CW -- and it rarely mattered what time
> of day it was.
>
> I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since ....
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Cozens <[hidden email]
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> >> On 16-07-21 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> >> I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all)
> was
> >> on the rise.
> >> Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10
> >> meters during the daytime hours.
> >
> > The bands would have been a lot quieter back in the 50's as there was
> neither the population density nor the amount of technology to pollute the
> airwaves with stray RF signals.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Kevin.
> >
> >
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Re: Solar Cycle

Guy Olinger K2AV
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Nova is normally on your local PBS channel.

73, Guy K2AV

On Friday, July 22, 2016, Mel Farrer via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
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> I have tried to find the NOVA series on Direct TV without success.  Anyone
> know what channel it will be on?
> Mel, K6KBE
>
>
>       From: Grant Youngman <[hidden email] <javascript:;>>
>  To: [hidden email] <javascript:;>
>  Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:01 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Solar Cycle
>
> Or even DX on 15 at 2-3 o'clock in the morning.  My little DX-40 worked a
> lot of DX in those days -- phone and CW -- and it rarely mattered what time
> of day it was.
>
> I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since ....
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kevin Cozens <[hidden email]
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> >> On 16-07-21 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> >> I was first licensed in 1955 and cycle 19 (the granddaddy of them all)
> was
> >> on the rise.
> >> Those were the times when you could work the world with 10 watts on 10
> >> meters during the daytime hours.
> >
> > The bands would have been a lot quieter back in the 50's as there was
> neither the population density nor the amount of technology to pollute the
> airwaves with stray RF signals.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Kevin.
> >
> >
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Re: Solar Cycle

Wes Stewart-2
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I was licensed as a Novice in 1958 and upgraded to Conditional shortly after.  
My Elmer, W7UVR, who signed both applications told me he didn't want the RI
coming around and retesting me and having me fail, hence getting him in
trouble.  So he said I better stay on CW for the duration.  I had my BC342 and a
Millen transmitter and a couple of 40-meter crystals.  I dutifully stayed on 40
(except when my 2nd harmonic worked an FCC monitoring station and I received a
"pink" QSL.  My high school English teacher helped me write a very convincing
letter to them)

Always a DXer at heart, I would stay up all night during the summer eking out
QSOs on 40.  My Elmer finally took pity on me and loaned me an Elmac AF67 that
worked 10-meter AM.  What a revelation; on 40 I would spend nights trying to
work VK, on 10 I was working them by the dozen on phone in the daytime.  Magical.

Wes

ps. I can also remember seeing aurora here in Tucson, 32deg N.

On 7/22/2016 11:17 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> I remember 1956 - 1958. Conditions have never been that way since. We are
> in the trough of a very long term solar super-cycle that had a peak in
> 1956.
>

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Re: Solar Cycle

Wes Stewart-2
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At our monthly Southern Arizona DX Association club meeting last night, as we
often do, we go around the room to hear what guys have worked since the last
meeting. Personally, because it's thunderstorm season, I've been disconnected
most of the month.  Others have not.

One guy, a top of the Honor Roll type, reported working 400 band/countries on HF
and 47 states.... on 6-meters.  Another top of the Honor Roll guy, now a 6 and
160 specialist worked 18 Europeans on 6 this past week.  And that's not from
Maine, it's from southern Arizona.

The bands aren't great, but they are far from dead.


On 7/21/2016 9:22 PM, tomb18 wrote:
> Just open a panadapter on 20m during the day...depressing. makes you wonder if it's working

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Re: Solar Cycle

John Hendricks-2
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Yesterday I couldn't see any activity on 20 Meters but worked Pactor 3 at the maximum speed over a 1200 mile path.  Far from a dead band.

John K7JLT
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Solar Cycle

Edward A. Dauer
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“> I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since ....”

That is my experience as well; and I believe the recorded sunspot counts since bear that out.  The Fall of 1957 on 15 meters was like shooting fish in a barrel, with a DX-20 then, after getting the bigger ticket, a Viking Ranger, an HQ-100, and a dipole almost but not quite 15 feet above ground.  The receive selectivity was something like the width of a garage door; but a routine morning was adding a handful of new entities in Europe and Africa before heading off to school, and a couple in the Pacific after coming home.  We all got spoiled.  But easier doesn’t necessarily mean more fun.

Ted, KN1CBR


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I remember 1956 - 1958. Conditions have never been that way since. We are
in the trough of a very long term solar super-cycle that had a peak in
1956.

In '56 every day in Columbus OH I could see test patterns on channel 2 from
Miami FL. Oh, to have had a K3/KPA500 back then.

11 meters was a ham band on my friend's dad's 75A3. And 10 was jumping.

73, Guy K2AV

On Friday, July 22, 2016, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Or even DX on 15 at 2-3 o'clock in the morning.  My little DX-40 worked a
> lot of DX in those days -- phone and CW -- and it rarely mattered what time
> of day it was.
>
> I don't think conditions have been anywhere close to that since ....
>
> Grant NQ5T
>


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Re: Solar Cycle

Bill W4ZV
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Guy Olinger K2AV wrote
I remember 1956 - 1958. Conditions have never been that way since. We are
in the trough of a very long term solar super-cycle that had a peak in
1956.
The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots = 355).  

http://www.solen.info/solar/history/hist1957.html

I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC:

http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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Re: Solar Cycle

Vic Rosenthal
375! And today I'm happy when it breaks 100.

Vic 4X6GP

> On 23 Jul 2016, at 04:22, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Guy Olinger K2AV wrote
>> I remember 1956 - 1958. Conditions have never been that way since. We are
>> in the trough of a very long term solar super-cycle that had a peak in
>> 1956.
>
> The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots =
> 355).  
>
> http://www.solen.info/solar/history/hist1957.html
>
> I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC:
>
> http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
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Re: Solar Cycle

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On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots =
> 355).
> I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC:
> http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html
>
============
Yep, those were legendary days. I too made Novice DXCC, shortly after Bill.
He was KN4RID in those days. I worked my 100th right after he got his, but
I stuck my cards in a drawer and didn't send them in for over a decade.
Finally I dug 'em out and got my DXCC certificate, issued under my novice
call, KN0LTB. It's still up on the wall.There was one other novice who did
it, but I can't remember who it was. The bands were open practically 24
hours and 15 meter CW, which was where you had to be as a novice, was
hopping all the time. You could hear scientists from all over using calls
ending in -IGY, standing for international geophysical year. They traveled
to far-flung places to take readings on propagation, weather patterns,
aurora, and anything else they expected to be affected by the record levels
of solar activity. Those were the days of phone patches (no Skype), and 15
phone had a constant flow of patched conversations from scientist phoning
back to the home folks. Even in those days there was SSB activity, mostly
coming from 10 watt phasing exciters. Other popular rigs included the
Viking Ranger and the Heath DX-100. The tube of the day was the 6146. The
older hams who mentored me had home-brew rack-mounted monstrosities,
plug-in coils, something like a pair of 250TH tubes modulated by another
pair of 250THs, power transformer as big as a wastebasket.

73,
Tony KT0NY

>
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Re: Solar Cycle

Mark Bayern-3
So far no one has mentioned the Novice limitations. 75 watts input to
the final, crystal controlled.  (At least that is what I remember in
the mid 60's.)

Mark  AD5SS

On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Tony Estep <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots =
>> 355).
>> I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC:
>> http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html
>>
> ============
> Yep, those were legendary days. I too made Novice DXCC, shortly after Bill.
> He was KN4RID in those days. I worked my 100th right after he got his, but
> I stuck my cards in a drawer and didn't send them in for over a decade.
> Finally I dug 'em out and got my DXCC certificate, issued under my novice
> call, KN0LTB. It's still up on the wall.There was one other novice who did
> it, but I can't remember who it was. The bands were open practically 24
> hours and 15 meter CW, which was where you had to be as a novice, was
> hopping all the time. You could hear scientists from all over using calls
> ending in -IGY, standing for international geophysical year. They traveled
> to far-flung places to take readings on propagation, weather patterns,
> aurora, and anything else they expected to be affected by the record levels
> of solar activity. Those were the days of phone patches (no Skype), and 15
> phone had a constant flow of patched conversations from scientist phoning
> back to the home folks. Even in those days there was SSB activity, mostly
> coming from 10 watt phasing exciters. Other popular rigs included the
> Viking Ranger and the Heath DX-100. The tube of the day was the 6146. The
> older hams who mentored me had home-brew rack-mounted monstrosities,
> plug-in coils, something like a pair of 250TH tubes modulated by another
> pair of 250THs, power transformer as big as a wastebasket.
>
> 73,
> Tony KT0NY
>
>>
>>
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Re: Solar Cycle

Mark Bayern-3
... and a _one_ year license!



On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Mark Bayern <[hidden email]> wrote:

> So far no one has mentioned the Novice limitations. 75 watts input to
> the final, crystal controlled.  (At least that is what I remember in
> the mid 60's.)
>
> Mark  AD5SS
>
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Tony Estep <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots =
>>> 355).
>>> I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC:
>>> http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html
>>>
>> ============
>> Yep, those were legendary days. I too made Novice DXCC, shortly after Bill.
>> He was KN4RID in those days. I worked my 100th right after he got his, but
>> I stuck my cards in a drawer and didn't send them in for over a decade.
>> Finally I dug 'em out and got my DXCC certificate, issued under my novice
>> call, KN0LTB. It's still up on the wall.There was one other novice who did
>> it, but I can't remember who it was. The bands were open practically 24
>> hours and 15 meter CW, which was where you had to be as a novice, was
>> hopping all the time. You could hear scientists from all over using calls
>> ending in -IGY, standing for international geophysical year. They traveled
>> to far-flung places to take readings on propagation, weather patterns,
>> aurora, and anything else they expected to be affected by the record levels
>> of solar activity. Those were the days of phone patches (no Skype), and 15
>> phone had a constant flow of patched conversations from scientist phoning
>> back to the home folks. Even in those days there was SSB activity, mostly
>> coming from 10 watt phasing exciters. Other popular rigs included the
>> Viking Ranger and the Heath DX-100. The tube of the day was the 6146. The
>> older hams who mentored me had home-brew rack-mounted monstrosities,
>> plug-in coils, something like a pair of 250TH tubes modulated by another
>> pair of 250THs, power transformer as big as a wastebasket.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tony KT0NY
>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Solar Cycle

Bill W4ZV
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Tony Estep wrote
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote:

Yep, those were legendary days. I too made Novice DXCC, shortly after Bill.
He was KN4RID in those days. I worked my 100th right after he got his, but
I stuck my cards in a drawer and didn't send them in for over a decade.
Finally I dug 'em out and got my DXCC certificate, issued under my novice
call, KN0LTB. It's still up on the wall.There was one other novice who did
it, but I can't remember who it was.
Hi Tony.  Sorry my linked story didn't mention that you received DXCC because at the time I wrote that article I didn't see it in late 50s QSTs.  After checking later QSTs, there were actually 4 that made it:

Call             QST               Total
KN4RID      Nov 58             102
KN4RID      Oct 59              114  (an endorsement)
KN1IVT      May 60             100
KN0LTB      Aug 67             102
WN8TND    Sep 67              105

For Mark, another restriction was that we were limited to 21.100 and above, but many DX stations lower in the band would respond if you answered their CQs.  My guess is this was because many were using military surplus RXs which did not have great resolution, so they sometimes answered even if you were way off their TX frequency.

Those days were the golden years of DXing IMHO...no spotting, no lists, no mega-expeditions and the key to success was lots and lots of tuning the bands and listening.

73,  Bill

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Re: Solar Cycle

Wes Stewart-2
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Actually, I sort of did.

  "I had my BC342 and a Millen transmitter and a couple of 40-meter crystals."

I still have the BC342.

On 7/23/2016 2:13 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:
> So far no one has mentioned the Novice limitations. 75 watts input to
> the final, crystal controlled.  (At least that is what I remember in
> the mid 60's.)
>
> Mark  AD5SS
>

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Re: Solar Cycle

Bob Nielsen-4
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Also limited to a narrow portion of the bands, not where the DX normally
hung out.

I was a Novice in 1952-53, at the bottom of a cycle.  In fact, at the
peak of each cycle since then I have not been on the air (timing is
everything) or was putting up with a stealth antenna system.  Still, I
have been close enough to experience some reasonably good propagation.

Bob, N7XY

On 7/23/16 2:14 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:

> ... and a _one_ year license!
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Mark Bayern <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> So far no one has mentioned the Novice limitations. 75 watts input to
>> the final, crystal controlled.  (At least that is what I remember in
>> the mid 60's.)
>>
>> Mark  AD5SS
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Tony Estep <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The peak was actually late December 1957 (Solar Flux = 375 and sunspots =
>>>> 355).
>>>> I was very lucky to be QRV then and made the first Novice DXCC:
>>>> http://www.novice.bappy.com/about_21.html
>>>>
>>> ============
>>> Yep, those were legendary days. I too made Novice DXCC, shortly after Bill.
>>> He was KN4RID in those days. I worked my 100th right after he got his, but
>>> I stuck my cards in a drawer and didn't send them in for over a decade.
>>> Finally I dug 'em out and got my DXCC certificate, issued under my novice
>>> call, KN0LTB. It's still up on the wall.There was one other novice who did
>>> it, but I can't remember who it was. The bands were open practically 24
>>> hours and 15 meter CW, which was where you had to be as a novice, was
>>> hopping all the time. You could hear scientists from all over using calls
>>> ending in -IGY, standing for international geophysical year. They traveled
>>> to far-flung places to take readings on propagation, weather patterns,
>>> aurora, and anything else they expected to be affected by the record levels
>>> of solar activity. Those were the days of phone patches (no Skype), and 15
>>> phone had a constant flow of patched conversations from scientist phoning
>>> back to the home folks. Even in those days there was SSB activity, mostly
>>> coming from 10 watt phasing exciters. Other popular rigs included the
>>> Viking Ranger and the Heath DX-100. The tube of the day was the 6146. The
>>> older hams who mentored me had home-brew rack-mounted monstrosities,
>>> plug-in coils, something like a pair of 250TH tubes modulated by another
>>> pair of 250THs, power transformer as big as a wastebasket.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Tony KT0NY
>>>
>>>>
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Re: Solar Cycle

w7aqk
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Hi All,

The info I got from Space Weather today indicated that there were strong
solar flares occurring, and radio blackouts were predicted.  I believe it!
Yesterday I put up a "not so great" antenna to tinker with, hooked up my KX3
(I'm traveling), and tried to snag a contact.  Even with this antenna, and
running QRP, I rarely get skunked, but I did today!  Interestingly, I could
hear W1AW, and a couple of 6's not all that far away, but otherwise, zilch!

The nostalgia about the late 50's is still something I well remember.  My
rig only put out about 30 watts, and the antenna was a simple base loaded
vertical, but I worked all sorts of DX back then.  My favorite hangout was
the top 50 khz of 20 meters, which back then was CW only.  I had numerous
QSO's with HZ1AB up there (I was living in Albuquerque), and I don't think
I've worked Saudi Arabia since!  I wasn't a 6 meter op back then, but it
must have been good!  One day I flipped channels on our TV and suddenly I
was watching a crystal clear picture from KSTP in Minneapolis!   It wasn't
just a short event either, as I watched it for over an hour.  Maybe this
sort of thing still happens now and then, but since most of us are hooked up
to cable TV, we don't know!

Dave W7AQK




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