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Bill W4ZV

Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

Russian Field Day-Style 2010 WRTC Gets Favorable Postgame Review For Level Playing Field

http://wrtc.radio-sport.net/wrtc10_post1.htm

Some Interesting WRTC Statistics
These were put together by Roger Western G3SXW:

There were 48 Teams each with two transceivers:
# Elecraft K3 - 49
# IC756PROIII - 17
# FT1000MP - 16
# Two each: TS850S, IC756, IC7800, FT2000
# One each: FTDX9000D, Ten-Tec Orion, IC775DSP, Orion 565AT, Elecraft K2

The winning five teams all used FT1000MP or Elecraft K3.

Logging Software:
# Win-Test - 30
# N1MM - 8
# WriteLog - 5
# TR4W - 5

The ten leading teams all used Win-Test or WriteLog.

Bill W4ZV

Re: OT: Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Randy Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Can someone give me a short answer as to why Win-Test was the
> overwhelmingly popular logger, especially versus N1MM?
>

Probably because it emulates CT (DOS) which most contesters are very
familiar and comfortable with.
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Re: OT: Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

>> Can someone give me a short answer as to why Win-Test was the
>> overwhelmingly popular logger, especially versus N1MM?

> Probably because it emulates CT (DOS) which most contesters are very
> familiar and comfortable with.

Exactly. That's why people like it, and it networks easy. Unfortunately it
has a bug or problem where it does not handle all CW functions or all
features of the WinKey keyer properly, and does not do a good second radio
lockout, so we use N1MM (which works great but is not as easy for people who
like CT DOS style operation).

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

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> Russian Field Day-Style 2010 WRTC Gets Favorable Postgame Review For
> Level Playing Field

It may get favorable reviews for "level playing field" in terms of
location/antenna advantages. However, if one sorts the results by
QSOs or "net QSOs" (QSOs minus busted Qs), the results are very
different. The "winners" were all local (UA3, ES, LY) teams who
made fewer QSOs but took advantage of their knowledge of local
propagation to find a significantly greater number of multipliers.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/19/2010 6:15 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:

>
> Russian Field Day-Style 2010 WRTC Gets Favorable Postgame Review For Level
> Playing Field
>
> http://wrtc.radio-sport.net/wrtc10_post1.htm
>
> Some Interesting WRTC Statistics
> These were put together by Roger Western G3SXW:
>
> There were 48 Teams each with two transceivers:
> # Elecraft K3 - 49
> # IC756PROIII - 17
> # FT1000MP - 16
> # Two each: TS850S, IC756, IC7800, FT2000
> # One each: FTDX9000D, Ten-Tec Orion, IC775DSP, Orion 565AT, Elecraft K2
>
> The winning five teams all used FT1000MP or Elecraft K3.
>
> Logging Software:
> # Win-Test - 30
> # N1MM - 8
> # WriteLog - 5
> # TR4W - 5
>
> The ten leading teams all used Win-Test or WriteLog.

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Jim Brown-10

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:31:42 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>The "winners" were all local (UA3, ES, LY) teams who
>made fewer QSOs but took advantage of their knowledge of local
>propagation to find a significantly greater number of multipliers.

I'm told that non-Russian speakers were severely QRMed when they
tried to operate SSB. Perhaps the equivalent of our pig farmers on
75M.

73, Jim K9YC

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Bill W4ZV

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote

> Russian Field Day-Style 2010 WRTC Gets Favorable Postgame Review For
> Level Playing Field

It may get favorable reviews for "level playing field" in terms of
location/antenna advantages. However, if one sorts the results by
QSOs or "net QSOs" (QSOs minus busted Qs), the results are very
different. The "winners" were all local (UA3, ES, LY) teams who
made fewer QSOs but took advantage of their knowledge of local
propagation to find a significantly greater number of multipliers.

That's called home field advantage (i.e. propagation knowledge).

BTW that doesn't just affect multipliers. Some do not fully comprehended that Score = QSO *points* X total multipliers. Not all QSO points are equal (more weight is given to contacts outside your zone and continent) so it's entirely possible that the winner won't have the highest number of raw QSOs or multipliers (ditto for CQ WW, CQ WPX, CQ 160 and several other contests).

73, Bill

Rick Tavan N6XI

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

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??

The Silver Medal went to N6MJ/KL9A. Fifth place was K5ZD/W2SC. The highest
placing LY was 7th. Sure, there was an element of "home field advantage" to
Eastern Europeans who were more familiar with local propagation conditions.
But experience, preparation and skill were far more important to final score
than local knowledge. The organizers made logs available from local stations
operating in recent IARU contests and diligent contestants could easily get
more logs and personal advice. I was there. It was by far the most level
playing field ever offered in radio contesting history. Perfect? Of course
not. But I doubt that it was any worse than playing a major professional
sport in another team's home stadium.

/Rick N6XI

On 7/19/10, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> It may get favorable reviews for "level playing field" in terms of
> location/antenna advantages. However, if one sorts the results by
> QSOs or "net QSOs" (QSOs minus busted Qs), the results are very
> different. The "winners" were all local (UA3, ES, LY) teams who
> made fewer QSOs but took advantage of their knowledge of local
> propagation to find a significantly greater number of multipliers.
>
> --

Rick Tavan N6XI
Truckee, CA
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Rick Tavan N6XI

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

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K6XX and I did not experience much intentional interference at all, although
I must admit that our percentage of SSB QSOs was the lowest in the field (by
misguided preference it seems). I recall one time when a carrier seemed to
follow me around the band, disrupting my run, but that was on CW. After the
contest, we spent many hours comparing notes with other competitors. I don't
recall any complaints about intentional interference. There may have been
some - there always is in a contest - but it was not a significant factor.

By the way, the only allowed language for WRTC 2010 competitors was English.
Referees in each tent would have noted and put a stop to the use of Russian
or any other local language by competitors. Yes, one Russian Internet
cheerleader urged his countrymen to listen out for Russian accents but many
teams representing other countries had those accents as well. The Russians,
both at-home and emigres, are darn good contesters.

/Rick N6XI

On 7/19/10, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm told that non-Russian speakers were severely QRMed when they
> tried to operate SSB. Perhaps the equivalent of our pig farmers on
> 75M.
>

--

Rick Tavan N6XI
Truckee, CA
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Bill W4ZV

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

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Rick Tavan N6XI wrote

The Silver Medal went to N6MJ/KL9A.

Oops you may be metal (medal?) dyslexic Rick! :-) N6MJ/KL9A = 3rd = Bronze.

73, Bill

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

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> The Silver Medal went to N6MJ/KL9A.

The official results show third place with UA and ES teams in
1st/2nd.

> ure, there was an element of "home field advantage" to Eastern
> Europeans who were more familiar with local propagation conditions.
> But experience, preparation and skill were far more important to
> final score than local knowledge.

The statistics say differently ... the top two teams in particular
had approximately 7% more multipliers than the other top teams.
That difference is not insignificant.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/19/2010 6:12 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:

> ??
>
> The Silver Medal went to N6MJ/KL9A. Fifth place was K5ZD/W2SC. The highest
> placing LY was 7th. Sure, there was an element of "home field advantage" to
> Eastern Europeans who were more familiar with local propagation conditions.
> But experience, preparation and skill were far more important to final score
> than local knowledge. The organizers made logs available from local stations
> operating in recent IARU contests and diligent contestants could easily get
> more logs and personal advice. I was there. It was by far the most level
> playing field ever offered in radio contesting history. Perfect? Of course
> not. But I doubt that it was any worse than playing a major professional
> sport in another team's home stadium.
>
> /Rick N6XI
>
> On 7/19/10, Joe Subich, W4TV<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It may get favorable reviews for "level playing field" in terms of
>> location/antenna advantages. However, if one sorts the results by
>> QSOs or "net QSOs" (QSOs minus busted Qs), the results are very
>> different. The "winners" were all local (UA3, ES, LY) teams who
>> made fewer QSOs but took advantage of their knowledge of local
>> propagation to find a significantly greater number of multipliers.
>>
>> --
>
> Rick Tavan N6XI
> Truckee, CA
>

Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA

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Rick Tavan N6XI

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

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Uh, what you said! That's the second time I've translated positions into
metal incorrectly. Guess I'm just not the medal type...

/Rick

On 7/19/10, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>
> Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:
> >
> > The Silver Medal went to N6MJ/KL9A.
> >
>
>
> Oops you may be metal (medal?) dyslexic Rick! :-) N6MJ/KL9A = 3rd =
> Bronze.
>
> 73, Bill
>
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Howard..K2HK

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

No Rick. Just post contest fatigue. Congrats on a FB job.

Howard..K2HK

Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:07:13 -0700
From: [hidden email]
Uh, what you said! That's the second time I've translated positions into
metal incorrectly. Guess I'm just not the medal type...

/Rick

On 7/19/10, Bill W4ZV [hidden email] wrote:

Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:

The Silver Medal went to N6MJ/KL9A.

Oops you may be metal (medal?) dyslexic Rick! :-) N6MJ/KL9A = 3rd =
Bronze.

73, Bill

Rick Tavan N6XI
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John_N1JM

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

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I wonder how many K3s would have been there if they were the size and weight of the FT-9000?

Gary Gregory

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

Probably none as they did not supply Forklift Trucks from what I have read
so far...Grin

Gary

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> I wonder how many K3s would have been there if they were the size and
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Rick Tavan N6XI

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

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I don't know but if I had been offered a pair of 9000s or a pair of 7800s,
delivered to my operating position, I still would have taken my K3s.

/Rick N6XI

On 7/20/10, N1JM <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>
> I wonder how many K3s would have been there if they were the size and
> weight
> of the FT-9000?
>

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John_N1JM

Re: Some Interesting WRTC Statistics

I would too. But the size sure makes it easier for portable operation-one of the great features of the K3.

John N1JM

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI [via Elecraft] <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't know but if I had been offered a pair of 9000s or a pair of 7800s,
delivered to my operating position, I still would have taken my K3s.

/Rick N6XI

On 7/20/10, N1JM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> I wonder how many K3s would have been there if they were the size and
> weight
> of the FT-9000?
>

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