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Son of K3??

Dick Dickinson
In a photo taken at Dayton and posted to Flickr (search "TS-590"), I noticed
doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S.  Has anyone heard a mention of 200
watts?


73,
Dick - KA5KKT
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I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning <snip>

Will, AI4VE


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Re: Son of K3??

Jim Wiley-2
Ed -


Doubled-up power cords were (are) standard with most Kenwood HF rigs.  
My 10 year old TS-570S (100 watts out) came with a "4-wire" power cable,
as did the much older TS-950S that preceded it.  


- Jim, KL7CC



Edward Dickinson, III wrote:
> I noticed
> doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S.  Has anyone heard a mention of 200
> watts?
>
>
>  
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Re: Son of K3??

George Thornton
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Kenwood once made great HF radios.  I have an old TS-930s that is quite
a performer for its age.  I found in side by side comparisons I was able
to copy more weak signals with the 930s than with my K2.  If I could
copy on both, I would prefer the K2 because with dsp I was able to
filter out all the noise.

My new K3 is clearly the superior radio in all respects.  

I have also used a TS-2000.  I thought it was a very poor quality radio
and I sold it shortly after I bought it.

I am very happy with the K3 and have zero desire for a change.

I like Kenwood radios for VHF/UHF repeater and mobile use.  They
understand and implement APRS better than others and they are my choice
for mobile public service work.



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Edward Dickinson,
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Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:12 PM
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] Son of K3??

In a photo taken at Dayton and posted to Flickr (search "TS-590"), I
noticed
doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S.  Has anyone heard a mention of
200
watts?


73,
Dick - KA5KKT
---------------------------------------------------------------------

I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning <snip>

Will, AI4VE


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Re: Son of K3??

juergen piezo
Hi

If the new Kenwood does deliver K3 like performance at the reported price of 1800 dollars, its going to be a huge seller. This price is not much more than a TS480.

What this competitive price means is that radios like the Yaesu FT5000 will struggle to find wide acceptance since its almost  3 times the price of this new Kenwood. This competitive pricing versus performance from Kenwood truly might be a new turning point in the ham radio market. What it  also means is that big, expensive  white elephant radios like the FTDX9000 and IC7800 might well be a thing of the past.

Assuming that the Kenwood does deliver on its receiver performance claims, 2 of these radios at 3600 dollars will be a bargain.

Elecraft could  take the lead and produce a single receiver version of the K3 with a 200 watt PA,  inbuilt power supply, and possibly a bigger front panel. However I dont see this happening.

The high performance end of the ham radio market is certainly going to be crowded, the winners will certainly be the ham fraternity. The only losers are people like Icom who have expensive radios like the IC7700 and IC7800 which have marginal IMD dynamic range. From this perspective the Kenwood radio is a welcome!

John






--- On Sat, 5/15/10, George A. Thornton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: George A. Thornton <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
> To: "Edward Dickinson, III" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 6:37 PM
> Kenwood once made great HF
> radios.  I have an old TS-930s that is quite
> a performer for its age.  I found in side by side
> comparisons I was able
> to copy more weak signals with the 930s than with my
> K2.  If I could
> copy on both, I would prefer the K2 because with dsp I was
> able to
> filter out all the noise.
>
> My new K3 is clearly the superior radio in all
> respects. 
>
> I have also used a TS-2000.  I thought it was a very
> poor quality radio
> and I sold it shortly after I bought it.
>
> I am very happy with the K3 and have zero desire for a
> change.
>
> I like Kenwood radios for VHF/UHF repeater and mobile
> use.  They
> understand and implement APRS better than others and they
> are my choice
> for mobile public service work.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]
> On Behalf Of Edward Dickinson,
> III
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:12 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
>
> In a photo taken at Dayton and posted to Flickr (search
> "TS-590"), I
> noticed
> doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S.  Has anyone
> heard a mention of
> 200
> watts?
>
>
> 73,
> Dick - KA5KKT
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning
> <snip>
>
> Will, AI4VE
>
>
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Re: Son of K3??

hf4me
WHY?  The K3/100 is 1900.  For $100 you would buy the Kenwood - NOT.  73,
Jim

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From: "juergen" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??


Hi

If the new Kenwood does deliver K3 like performance at the reported price of
1800 dollars, its going to be a huge seller. This price is not much more
than a TS480.

What this competitive price means is that radios like the Yaesu FT5000 will
struggle to find wide acceptance since its almost  3 times the price of this
new Kenwood. This competitive pricing versus performance from Kenwood truly
might be a new turning point in the ham radio market. What it  also means is
that big, expensive  white elephant radios like the FTDX9000 and IC7800
might well be a thing of the past.

Assuming that the Kenwood does deliver on its receiver performance claims, 2
of these radios at 3600 dollars will be a bargain.

Elecraft could  take the lead and produce a single receiver version of the
K3 with a 200 watt PA,  inbuilt power supply, and possibly a bigger front
panel. However I dont see this happening.

The high performance end of the ham radio market is certainly going to be
crowded, the winners will certainly be the ham fraternity. The only losers
are people like Icom who have expensive radios like the IC7700 and IC7800
which have marginal IMD dynamic range. From this perspective the Kenwood
radio is a welcome!

John






--- On Sat, 5/15/10, George A. Thornton <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> From: George A. Thornton <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
> To: "Edward Dickinson, III" <[hidden email]>,
> [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 6:37 PM
> Kenwood once made great HF
> radios. I have an old TS-930s that is quite
> a performer for its age. I found in side by side
> comparisons I was able
> to copy more weak signals with the 930s than with my
> K2. If I could
> copy on both, I would prefer the K2 because with dsp I was
> able to
> filter out all the noise.
>
> My new K3 is clearly the superior radio in all
> respects.
>
> I have also used a TS-2000. I thought it was a very
> poor quality radio
> and I sold it shortly after I bought it.
>
> I am very happy with the K3 and have zero desire for a
> change.
>
> I like Kenwood radios for VHF/UHF repeater and mobile
> use. They
> understand and implement APRS better than others and they
> are my choice
> for mobile public service work.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]
> On Behalf Of Edward Dickinson,
> III
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:12 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
>
> In a photo taken at Dayton and posted to Flickr (search
> "TS-590"), I
> noticed
> doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S. Has anyone
> heard a mention of
> 200
> watts?
>
>
> 73,
> Dick - KA5KKT
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning
> <snip>
>
> Will, AI4VE
>
>
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Re: Son of K3??

n7ws
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My TS-870 has the same configuration.  Paralleled wires and a Molex plug that doesn't fall out when you move the radio.

--- On Sat, 5/15/10, Edward Dickinson, III <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Edward Dickinson, III <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 7:11 PM

In a photo taken at Dayton and posted to Flickr (search "TS-590"), I noticed
doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S.  Has anyone heard a mention of 200
watts?


73,
Dick - KA5KKT
---------------------------------------------------------------------

I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning <snip>

Will, AI4VE


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Re: Son of K3??

Bob Schreibmaier
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 >WHY?  The K3/100 is 1900.  For $100 you would buy the Kenwood - NOT.

Actually, the K3/100 is $2150.  Plus $100 for the
500 Hz filter.  Plus $330 for the antenna tuner.
The K3/100 ends up being almost $800 more.

Think we should wait and see what kind of performance
the TS-590S actually delivers.  It is VERY premature
to decide now.

Having said that, however, I do like the fact that
the TS-590S front panel layout has nothing for one's
hand to bump into when trying to use the tuning knob.
I wish Elecraft had gotten that right.

73,
Bob
K3PH

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Re: Son of K3??

lstavenhagen
Don't forget tho that the K3 has the option for you to build it yourself. Then you know how it goes together and you save $250 over the fully built version in the process.

Then there's the fact that the Kenwood is a catchup radio that's not even finished yet, and once it goes into to production there's going to be the usual feast of version One Point Oh bugs. And who knows if/when those will ever get fixed... and by then the K3 will just be even further ahead, etc......

Before I became a dedicated elecrafter my favorite Kenwood rigs were the TS 5/830 and the 930. Those were the last good rigs I think Kenwood made. I couldn't pull the trigger on any of them after that due to having to pay for more creeping featurism rather than good basic performance. if they still sold the 830 new, tho, I'd whip out the credit card right now to get one.

The higher end rigs from the big 3 are even more ridiculous, where you have to take out a bank loan to buy something with an RX that hardly performs as well as my K2, much less the K3. Rigs like the Icom 7700 and 7800 are just tragedies.. tho somehow Icom manages to sell a bunch of them. How? I dunno - more money than brains I guess hi hi.

So at least for me, elecraft got it exactly spot-on in terms of my needs. The only criticism I can give have to do with ergonomics but those are pretty low priority items to me...... The bang/buck ratio of elecraft is the highest in the industry that I've been able to find.

73,
LS
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AD4C2009
"........more money than brains I guess..........."
 
Oh yes,there are thousand outhere who has no brain at all when they want just to have what they like,what could you think If you see on ebay two years ago a guy from K8 land paying $3300 for an old Drake TR4CW ? and what could you think about another guy on the same website buying and old Hallicrafter SR-400 for the crazy amount of $7700 ? ah? no brain at all,go figure.
 
AD4C


"For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"

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From: lstavenhagen <[hidden email]>
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Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 1:14 PM



Don't forget tho that the K3 has the option for you to build it yourself.
Then you know how it goes together and you save $250 over the fully built
version in the process.

Then there's the fact that the Kenwood is a catchup radio that's not even
finished yet, and once it goes into to production there's going to be the
usual feast of version One Point Oh bugs. And who knows if/when those will
ever get fixed... and by then the K3 will just be even further ahead,
etc......

Before I became a dedicated elecrafter my favorite Kenwood rigs were the TS
5/830 and the 930. Those were the last good rigs I think Kenwood made. I
couldn't pull the trigger on any of them after that due to having to pay for
more creeping featurism rather than good basic performance. if they still
sold the 830 new, tho, I'd whip out the credit card right now to get one.

The higher end rigs from the big 3 are even more ridiculous, where you have
to take out a bank loan to buy something with an RX that hardly performs as
well as my K2, much less the K3. Rigs like the Icom 7700 and 7800 are just
tragedies.. tho somehow Icom manages to sell a bunch of them. How? I dunno -
more money than brains I guess hi hi.

So at least for me, elecraft got it exactly spot-on in terms of my needs.
The only criticism I can give have to do with ergonomics but those are
pretty low priority items to me...... The bang/buck ratio of elecraft is the
highest in the industry that I've been able to find.

73,
LS
W5QD
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n7ws
I wish that I was in a position to do these things---I'm not---but why get upset with those who are?

I'm sure there were those who when watching coverage of the Kentucky Derby were shocked and/or thought a guy nuts when he walked up with a briefcase full of money ($100K) and bet it on a horse. I imagine some thought differently when his pick paid 8 to 1.

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"........more money than brains I guess..........."
 
Oh yes,there are thousand outhere who has no brain at all when they want just to have what they like,what could you think If you see on ebay two years ago a guy from K8 land paying $3300 for an old Drake TR4CW ? and what could you think about another guy on the same website buying and old Hallicrafter SR-400 for the crazy amount of $7700 ? ah? no brain at all,go figure.
 
AD4C




     
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Re: Son of K3??

lstavenhagen
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well, OK. If you've been convinced you need to spend 10 grand on a rig that's outperformed by a better one costing a 1/5th the price, then there's not much more I can say.  You get what you deserve comes immediately to mind, but hey, go ahead - knock yourself out.

I never fell for it, but that's just me....

73,
LS
W5QD