Spectrogram / Xoscope
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Have any linux users gotten Xoscope to work? It's at
http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/ When I built my K2 I had a laptop that dual-booted into Windows and linux. So I was able to reluctantly :-) boot into Windows to run Spectrogram when needed. My new army-issued laptop, however, is linux only (gentoo distribution), so I need something like xoscope. But I'm having font problems with xoscope, in particular, text does not show up! Before I spend time troubleshooting I thought I'd see if any of our illustrious list members have already been down that path. Thanks! Mike ab3ap _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Spectrogram / Xoscope -- try baudline
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I use <http://www.baudline.com/> on my linux system.
Works FB! 73 de w1mt mike --- Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote: > > When I built my K2 I had a laptop that dual-booted > into Windows and > linux. So I was able to reluctantly :-) boot into > Windows to run > Spectrogram when needed. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Mike Markowski
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:30:06 -0400
Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote: > Have any linux users gotten Xoscope to work? It's at > http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/ > Not tried xoscope (might go have a look) but I used "baudline" on Ubuntu Linux to set up my K2. get it from :- http://www.baudline.com/ The only thing missing is user-settable frequency markers. It has "waterfall", "spectrum" and "oscilloscope" displays. Give it a try. If you have trouble let me know and I'll try to point you at the setting I used. Cheers, John GM4SLV K2 #5542 - alive for 5 days now and best DX = FG5FR on 18MHz @ 5w _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Man ...
I wish Linux users would speak "English". (heh heh) Ron, wb1hga _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Thanks, guys, for the helpful responses. I'll give baudline a try.
And I enjoyed your note, too, Ron. :-) Mike ab3ap ron wrote: > Man ... > > I wish Linux users would speak "English". > (heh heh) > > Ron, wb1hga _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I'm always puzzled why users would burden themselves
with LINUX machines? At one point, back in my Unix days - I had my PC booted with both Windows and Linux. Of course that was 10 years back - but at that point, I couldn't think of any reason to have Linux - aside from the novelty of it. Someone mentioned "army laptops" with unix. Wow - can't belive my old DOD counterparts would allow Linux on a gov machine! Humor this retiree - but I don't like MAC machines either. I'd guess it is because one can always find all sorts of freeware/shareware for Windows machines - and far far less for the others. I've decided to stick with the 97% side of the mix. Good luck 73's Fred N3CSY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Spectrogram / Xoscope
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On Friday 23 June 2006 15:13, Fred (FL) wrote:
> I'm always puzzled why users would burden themselves > with LINUX machines? I'm with you Fred .. my main machine is FreeBSD 6.1. Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 -- _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Fred (FL) wrote:
> I'm always puzzled why users would burden themselves > with LINUX machines? I thought this was way off-topic, so was going to reply off-list, then I realised... Quality, stability, efficiency, ability to understand how it works, ability to fix stuff myself if it ever actually breaks, ability to work my way, standard components, value-for-money, cheap add-ons, easy to tweak to my own needs, fun to experiment with, great community, great support, small, that's why I like Linux, and that's why I like Elecraft. Big expensive mass-manufactured black-boxes that work THEIR way, poor manuals, bad support, no realistic way to fix things without returning to the manufacturer, nasty sealed hard-to-replace proprietary components, BIIIG cost for something that really doesn't work so well, expensive add-ons, expensive upgrade path, large, that's why I don't like YaeComWood or Microsoft. ... yet in both cases, the "mass market" seems to previously have favoured the closed, unmaintainable, expensive power-hungry option, but both Linux and Elecraft are gaining in popularity, particularly among experts in their field who know what they're doing, but increasingly among day-to-day users too :-) Unfortunately Elecraft kit isn't FREE, or even "free plus packaging", and initial set-up effort is much harder (but admittedly more fun) than the black boxes, and the "Ikensu" boxes don't (as far as I know) hang and crash regularly, or need re-installing frequently, so the analogy had to break down somewhere ;-) -- "Nosey" Nick Waterman, G7RZQ, K2 #5209. use Std::Disclaimer; [hidden email] If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all. -- Ronald Reagan _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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And don't forget, the ability to understand Linuxese speech.
I have no clue what you guys are talking about, nor what the instructions mean, on explaining a install application or using one. Now Elecraft is printed in English. I can understand kitting instructions alignment and finally, playing with the radio. I have more fun with K1 than I would with Linux! hooray for Elecraft! (smile) Ron, wb1hga Nick Waterman wrote: > Quality, stability, efficiency, ability to understand how it works, > ability to fix stuff myself if it ever actually breaks, ability to work > my way, standard components, value-for-money, cheap add-ons, easy to > tweak to my own needs, fun to experiment with, great community, great > support, small, that's why I like Linux, and that's why I like Elecraft. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, ron wrote:
> And don't forget, the ability to understand Linuxese speech. > I have no clue what you guys are talking about, nor what the instructions > mean, on explaining a install application or using one. But...But...you're a Ham...you be technical, don't you? 73,Thom-k3hrn www.zerobeat.net Home of QRP Web Ring, Drakelist home page,Drake Web Ring, QRP IRC channel, Drake IRC Channel, Elecraft Owners Database www.tlchost.net/hosting/ *** Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by roncasa
On Jun 23, 2006, at 4:14 PM, ron wrote: > And don't forget, the ability to understand Linuxese speech. > I have no clue what you guys are talking about, nor what the > instructions mean, on explaining a install application or using one. > > Now Elecraft is printed in English. I can understand kitting > instructions alignment and finally, playing with the radio. > > I have more fun with K1 than I would with Linux! But with a K2 + KIO2 you can have fun with both. 73 - Bob, N7XY _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Nick Waterman wrote:
> I thought this was way off-topic, so was going to reply off-list, then I > realised... > > Quality, stability, efficiency, ability to understand how it works, [...] > support, small, that's why I like Linux, and that's why I like Elecraft. > > Big expensive mass-manufactured black-boxes that work THEIR way, poor [...] > expensive add-ons, expensive upgrade path, large, that's why I don't > like YaeComWood or Microsoft. I also forgot: YaeComWood/Microsoft: If anything goes too wrong, "reinstall from scratch" seems to be the standard accepted solution, and for some reason people seem to think that's acceptable. You stand no hope of fixing any internal issues yourself. Elecraft/Linux: Reinstalling from scratch is almost never considered an acceptable solution to a problem, though admittedly some odd people find it fun to start again from scratch just for fun, not because of any problem. Chances are, even if you can't fix it yourself, you can get someone else to. Also, any extra hacks you want to make, even if you can't work out how to do them yourself, someone else has probably published a "howto" on the net. If you DO make a decent fix to the internals yourself, you can contribute it back to the community, and your fix might even make it into the next version. YaeComWood/Microsoft: Designed by big faceless corporations. You stand almost zero chance of talking to someone who can make a difference. Elecraft/Linux: Designed by human beings. Cool human beings. Dudes who actually chat on the mailing-lists and frequently actually reply personally to your questions. YaeComWood/Microsoft: You probably first saw the latest product in a big expensive glossy advert, surrounded by marketing hype, wooly on technical details. Elecraft/Linux: You probably first saw the latest product online, or in a technical article in a magazine. The article probably said how great it was, and how it's easy to outperform something that cost well over twice as much. YaeComWood/Microsoft: Mass-produced identically. You buy pre-built, no other option. Elecraft/Linux: You can build it yourself if you want, from scratch, from a scary number of separate parts. It's quite technical, but quite fun. There are clear step-by-step instructions you can follow. You probably wouldn't recommend it to a total beginner. It'll give you a great sense of achievement using something you built yourself. Alternatively, you can pay someone else to build it for you, and they don't usually charge a fortune. -- "Nosey" Nick Waterman, G7RZQ, K2 #5209. use Std::Disclaimer; [hidden email] God may be subtle, but He isn't plain mean. -- Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Nick Waterman wrote:
> > YaeComWood/Microsoft: If anything goes too wrong, "reinstall from > scratch" seems to be the standard accepted solution, and for some reason > people seem to think that's acceptable. You stand no hope of fixing any > internal issues yourself. Why do you insist on makeing statements that are not true? Many problems with widows, some of which are caused by third-party software and/or operator error can be solved without resorting to "reinstall from scratch". > > YaeComWood/Microsoft: Designed by big faceless corporations. You stand > almost zero chance of talking to someone who can make a difference. With your attitude, it's very likely no one would want to talk to you. > > YaeComWood/Microsoft: You probably first saw the latest product in a big > expensive glossy advert, surrounded by marketing hype, wooly on > technical details. Tell that to many of the folks who are beta testers, or developers. 73,Thom-k3hrn www.zerobeat.net Home of QRP Web Ring, Drakelist home page,Drake Web Ring, QRP IRC channel, Drake IRC Channel, Elecraft Owners Database www.tlchost.net/hosting/ *** Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Spectrogram / Xoscope - closing comment
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Yikes. Can I retract my original question? I sure didn't mean for all
this to start... Remember slide rules? The vast majority of slide rule users learned it well enough to get the job done. But there was the minority of guys who loved the tool as much or more than using it for work. Hence, the speed contests & ingenius ways of using scales to quickly solve certain classes of problems. Similarly, there are the stereo buffs more interested in the stereo than the music it reproduces. Or the car nuts who have more fun tweaking their cars than going places in them. And of course, the hams...enough said! :-) Same deal with OSes, as far as I can see. Linux and Windows users approach computer use with two different mindsets, or needs. Different, not superior/inferior. In my particular area of work (R&D within elec engr & comp sci arena), the army has decided linux is superior for what we do since we need to tinker with hardware & software often. Business types in the very same building, on the other hand, are almost exclusively Windows users. Their expertise lies elsewhere & the computer is a tool for them, not a gadget to be played with. So all our viewpoints are correct, just different. Let's please get back to ham things. :-) And thanks again for the very helpful advice on linux apps early in the thread! 73, Mike ab3ap _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Thom LaCosta
Hey! No fair! (smile) Hams use technical terms. Linux use unique jargon or "talk" related to their software, it is NOT technical. Even windoze is in English. I'll stick with English. (heh heh) Ron, wb1hga Thom R LaCosta wrote: > But...But...you're a Ham...you be technical, don't you? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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--- ron <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hey! No fair! (smile) > > Hams use technical terms. > Linux use unique jargon or "talk" related to their software, it is > NOT technical. Even windoze is in English. "CQ", "73", "QRZ?", "QSO", "Pounding Brass", "Silent Key", "Rig", "XYL", "LID", "HI", etc., are all jargon, too. :-) As is: 73 FER NW OM CU DN THE LOG DE JOHN KD2BD AR Visit John on the Web at: http://kd2bd.ham.org/ . . . . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 15:08 -0400, ron wrote:
> Linux use unique jargon or "talk" related to their software, it is > NOT technical. Even windoze is in English. Windows uses just as much jargon as Linux does. You just don't notice it because you have learnt it and become accustomed to it. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Brian Mury wrote:
>> Linux use unique jargon or "talk" related to their software, it is >> NOT technical. Even windoze is in English. > > Windows uses just as much jargon as Linux does. You just don't notice it > because you have learnt it and become accustomed to it. Many fields have their own sets of jargon, none of them seem that bad to insiders, most of them sound pointless to outsiders. AUTOEXEC.BAT, boot.ini, ntldr, regedit, pagefile.sys, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, Macafee, Symantec, C-colon-backslash, DLL, EXE, INI, WMA, BMP, RDP, dir, zip, installshield, chkdsk, system32, devmgr, tracert, hyperterminal... ls, grep, awk, perl, xoscope, baudline, vi, emacs, fsck /dev/hda1, traceroute, df, cp, rpm, more, less, tar, top, tty, chmod, /etc/passwd, kill, mplayer, sendmail, xterm... ST L, ST P, T-R, INP PDLn, IAB, SSB, ATU, RANT, RTTY, CW, SSB, PRE/ATT, AGC, ALC, XFIL, AFIL, RIT, XIT, VOX, SPOT, FPLY, VFO, CAL FCTR, CAL FIL, CAL PLL, SWR, KPA100, KAT2, KNB2, AUX IO, XVTR, RSGB, ARRL... microfarads, kilohms, SIP resistor pack, monolithic capacitors, transistor, shottky diode, quad op amp, MCU socket, 7-degment multiplexed LCD, PCB-mount jack, linear potentiometer, shift register, variable inductance, ferrite balun core, ceramic resonator, 2-D fastener... actus reus, advance directive, articles of incorporation, business records exception, breif (which usually isn't), FMLA, FCRA, DPA, FLSA, form interrogatories, fieri facias, filing fee, FSBO, negotiable instrument, offensive collateral estoppel, vested remainder... 6-4-3 double play, around the horn, banjo hitter, batterymates, bloop, cleanup, closer, clutch, dinger, dish, fouling off, frozen rope, fungo, going yard, hat trick, hook foul, meatball, pinch runner, slugger, tater, WHIP... ante, blind stud, cap, cold call, deuce-to-seven low, door card, royal flush, aces high, going south, horse, kitty, loose cannon, match the pot, overcall, pocket pair, post dead, rainbow flop, semi-bluff, wild card... Damn, my spell-checker's gonna love this :-( -- "Nosey" Nick Waterman, G7RZQ, K2 #5209. use Std::Disclaimer; [hidden email] Went to the boxing match last night. A hockey game broke out. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Nick Waterman wrote: > Many fields have their own sets of jargon, none of them seem that bad to > insiders, most of them sound pointless to outsiders. > > AUTOEXEC.BAT, boot.ini, ntldr, regedit, pagefile.sys, > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, Macafee, Symantec, C-colon-backslash, DLL, EXE, INI, > WMA, BMP, RDP, dir, zip, installshield, chkdsk, system32, devmgr, > tracert, hyperterminal... > > ls, grep, awk, perl, xoscope, baudline, vi, emacs, fsck /dev/hda1, > traceroute, df, cp, rpm, more, less, tar, top, tty, chmod, /etc/passwd, > kill, mplayer, sendmail, xterm... > Nick, I notice "Macafee" & "Symantec" in the first group, but no equivalent words in the second... Have you missed something from the Linux list... ;-) John 'SLV ======================================================================= ASIDE for the *nix among us - I'm sitting at work, on a private network that has a webproxy server to allow us minions access to the web. I've used Putty to connect, using SSH via the company proxy server, to my home network, where my ADSL router port-forwards me to my Linux desktop machine. I can run terminal sessions/software directly or full graphical VNC sessions by tunelling the VNC connection over the SSH connection. This single SSH connection is also used to securely tunnel connections to my mailserver at home, allowing me to run an email client - PCPine - on my work machine and talk IMAP and SMTP to my mailserver at home, so I can sit here and keep an eye on my email while I'm at work. I'm not aware that this would be easy, or even possible, with windows machines. Are there free ssh servers, IMAP and SMTP servers, DNS servers - all of which I've got running at home, entirely for free? Even the OS itself is free..! The various machines are old cast offs - either 486's or P1 vintage (except the main desktop which is a second hand P4/2.6GHz). Linux keeps these old doorstops in a useful job! _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Here are three roughly equivilent Linux terms for "Macafee AV" and
"Symantec/Norton AV".. "F-Prot" "RAV (Reliable Anti Virus)" "Clam AV." First it was the border wars between the Canada and the US and now we are having religious debates! Wayne...you better start shipping those KPA-800's soon! We're running out of Elecraft talk! 8-) 73 de Tom K2TA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John GM4SLV" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft]linux and elecraft > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Nick Waterman wrote: > >> Many fields have their own sets of jargon, none of them seem that bad to >> insiders, most of them sound pointless to outsiders. >> >> AUTOEXEC.BAT, boot.ini, ntldr, regedit, pagefile.sys, >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, Macafee, Symantec, C-colon-backslash, DLL, EXE, INI, >> WMA, BMP, RDP, dir, zip, installshield, chkdsk, system32, devmgr, >> tracert, hyperterminal... >> >> ls, grep, awk, perl, xoscope, baudline, vi, emacs, fsck /dev/hda1, >> traceroute, df, cp, rpm, more, less, tar, top, tty, chmod, /etc/passwd, >> kill, mplayer, sendmail, xterm... >> > > Nick, I notice "Macafee" & "Symantec" in the first group, but no > equivalent words in the second... > > Have you missed something from the Linux list... > > > ;-) > > > John 'SLV > ======================================================================= > ASIDE for the *nix among us - I'm sitting at work, on a private network > that has a webproxy server to allow us minions access to the web. I've > used Putty to connect, using SSH via the company proxy server, to my > home network, where my ADSL router port-forwards me to my Linux desktop > machine. I can run terminal sessions/software directly or full graphical > VNC sessions by tunelling the VNC connection over the SSH connection. > This single SSH connection is also used to securely tunnel connections > to my mailserver at home, allowing me to run an email client - PCPine - > on my work machine and talk IMAP and SMTP to my mailserver at home, so I > can sit here and keep an eye on my email while I'm at work. I'm not > aware that this would be easy, or even possible, with windows machines. > Are there free ssh servers, IMAP and SMTP servers, DNS servers - all of > which I've got running at home, entirely for free? Even the OS itself is > free..! > The various machines are old cast offs - either 486's or P1 vintage > (except the main desktop which is a second hand P4/2.6GHz). Linux keeps > these old doorstops in a useful job! > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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