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w4giw
I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution.  If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver.  Van W4GIW
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Re: Split operation

Mike-39
I'd vote for that.

Mike NF4L

van fair wrote:

> I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution.  If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver.  Van W4GIW
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Re: Split operation

wayne burdick
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Eric and I will discuss this on Monday. Sounds like a good idea.

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On Oct 18, 2009, at 4:13 AM, "van fair" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always  
> occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that  
> would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always be in the same mode  
> as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of  
> always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice  
> for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now.
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Re: Split operation

Ed Muns, W0YK
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> I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this
> always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a
> menu item that would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always
> be in the same mode as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It
> would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A
> with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection
> would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any
> downside to this solution.  If you agree please let Wayne and
> company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go
> split than with any other transceiver.  Van W4GIW

I don't agree.  Only making the mode the same between the VFOs is a poor UI.
What about the frequency?  What if VFO-B is up in the SSB sub-band when you
have VFO-A in the CW sub-band?  Now, you have another K3 operation to get it
where you want it.  A>B is the perfect feature in this application.  If the
menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (A>B) when it
invoked SPLIT, that might make sense.  In the vast majority of times I go
into SPLIT, I want to tap A>B first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal
before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up.  I find it helpful for the VFO-B
frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I
start tuning the pileup.

Ed - W0YK

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Re: Split operation

wb6rse1
When an operation advertises its operating frequencies in advance, as  
K4M has, it's simple to set up band memories in advance that include  
mode, SUB on and selected for TX split up.

Chance favors those who are prepared.

73 - Steve WB6RSE
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Re: Split operation

Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2
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Ed,

I agree with you on this. The way you describe it, That's the way I always
do it (and done that for years with my MP),
It would be nice if, after pressing split, the vfo's would be on the same
freq and in same mode. This would be a nice short cut.

The purist might add that the CW split would have to be 1 up and the ssb
split 5 up. But that would me too much for me. Let me do that by hand.


73
Arie PA3A



----------------------------
..... A>B is the perfect feature in this application.  If the
menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (A>B) when it
invoked SPLIT, that might make sense.  In the vast majority of times I go
into SPLIT, I want to tap A>B first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal
before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up.  I find it helpful for the VFO-B
frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I
start tuning the pileup.

Ed - W0YK



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Re: Split operation

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
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Quickly double tap A->B.

73,

Eric
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From: "Arie Kleingeld PA3A" <[hidden email]>
Date: Sunday, Oct 18, 2009 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
To: <[hidden email]>

Ed,

I agree with you on this. The way you describe it, That's the way I always do it (and done that for years with my MP),
It would be nice if, after pressing split, the vfo's would be on the same freq and in same mode. This would be a nice short cut.

The purist might add that the CW split would have to be 1 up and the ssb split 5 up. But that would me too much for me. Let me do that by hand.


73
Arie PA3A



----------------------------
.... A>B is the perfect feature in this application.  If the
menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (A>B) when it invoked SPLIT, that might make sense.  In the vast majority of times I go into SPLIT, I want to tap A>B first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up.  I find it helpful for the VFO-B frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I start tuning the pileup.

Ed - W0YK



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Re: Split operation

N2TK
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If we have a software switch that allows us to select which way we want to
operate, then the problem goes away. Each to their own way. Actually I like
the idea of being able to select either way.
During a contest I would like it setup so I only had to push A>B once. When
hunting for DX I would like it to operate the way it is with two pushes of
A>B for freq, mode, filters, etc.

72,
N2TK, Tony

PS One of the K3's is packed and ready for KP2M. Got to get out of the cold
NE for a while.

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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed Muns
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:47 PM
To: 'van fair'
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation

> I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this
> always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a
> menu item that would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always
> be in the same mode as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It
> would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A
> with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection
> would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any
> downside to this solution.  If you agree please let Wayne and
> company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go
> split than with any other transceiver.  Van W4GIW

I don't agree.  Only making the mode the same between the VFOs is a poor UI.
What about the frequency?  What if VFO-B is up in the SSB sub-band when you
have VFO-A in the CW sub-band?  Now, you have another K3 operation to get it
where you want it.  A>B is the perfect feature in this application.  If the
menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (A>B) when it
invoked SPLIT, that might make sense.  In the vast majority of times I go
into SPLIT, I want to tap A>B first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal
before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up.  I find it helpful for the VFO-B
frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I
start tuning the pileup.

Ed - W0YK

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Re: Split operation

Peter Chamalian
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Hey, that's cool!  Thanks Eric.

Pete, W1RM

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Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 3:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation

Quickly double tap A->B.

73,

Eric
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From: "Arie Kleingeld PA3A" <[hidden email]>
Date: Sunday, Oct 18, 2009 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation
To: <[hidden email]>

Ed,

I agree with you on this. The way you describe it, That's the way I always
do it (and done that for years with my MP),
It would be nice if, after pressing split, the vfo's would be on the same
freq and in same mode. This would be a nice short cut.

The purist might add that the CW split would have to be 1 up and the ssb
split 5 up. But that would me too much for me. Let me do that by hand.


73
Arie PA3A



----------------------------
.... A>B is the perfect feature in this application.  If the
menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (A>B) when it
invoked SPLIT, that might make sense.  In the vast majority of times I go
into SPLIT, I want to tap A>B first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal
before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up.  I find it helpful for the VFO-B
frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I
start tuning the pileup.

Ed - W0YK



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Re: Split operation

DC1RS
For my part I'm contented with the way A>B and Split works.
Maybe it's also that I'm used to it this way because all of my previous rigs worked like this.
I don't see the need to change this. As for the quick split feature, it is nice to have but I
never used it because a lot of DX-Stations use different splits and you'll have to dial in on
them anyway.
Yust my 2 cents.

73 de Roland, DC1RS

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Re: Split operation

gm3sek
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Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:

>>----------------------------
>>..... A>B is the perfect feature in this application.  If the
>>menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (A>B) when it
>>invoked SPLIT, that might make sense.  In the vast majority of times I go
>>into SPLIT, I want to tap A>B first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal
>>before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up.  I find it helpful for the VFO-B
>>frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I
>>start tuning the pileup.
>>
>>Ed - W0YK
>>

>Ed,
>
>I agree with you on this. The way you describe it, That's the way I always
>do it (and done that for years with my MP),
>It would be nice if, after pressing split, the vfo's would be on the same
>freq and in same mode. This would be a nice short cut.
>
>The purist might add that the CW split would have to be 1 up and the ssb
>split 5 up. But that would me too much for me. Let me do that by hand.
>
>
>73
>Arie PA3A

"One touch split" from the VFO A frequency is an established menu option
on a wide range of transceivers. The K3 requires FIVE distinct
operations to set that up, leaving its owner several seconds behind the
game.

I strongly prefer the option of an offset frequency as a starting point
for tuning VFO B, because an offset of zero is the DX station's own
frequency - the one place we *don't* want to transmit!




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Re: Split operation

W0EWM
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I would also find this option to be helpful.
Merle - W0EWM


van fair wrote:
> I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution.  If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver.  Van W4GIW
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Re: Split operation

Don Wilhelm-4
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Wayne,
If you force the same mode with SPLIT, you will be negating the use of
cross-mode split.
I know standard (same mode) split is much more common, but I believe a
K3 capability for cross-mode split should be available.

73,
Don W3FPR

Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Eric and I will discuss this on Monday. Sounds like a good idea.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
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> On Oct 18, 2009, at 4:13 AM, "van fair" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>  
>> I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always  
>> occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that  
>> would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always be in the same mode  
>> as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of  
>> always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice  
>> for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now.
>>    
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Re: Split operation

Andy Faber
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Can I plead for flexibility?  Everyone seems to want the most efficient
split operation for their particular way of using split, but there are other
requirements as well.
  For example, assume a DX station is using a K3 on 40m phone, say at 7055
kHz, and trying to listen both on its own frequency and on a split frequency
high in the band, say at 7250 kHz.  In that application, he would want to be
able to transmit on either VFO simply by turning SPLIT on or off.  He
wouldn't want any automatic frequency equalization.
  I like the way SPLIT works right now, as it allows such flexibility.
  73, andy, ae6y

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Re: Split operation

w4giw
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Wayne they will still have the choice of leaving in default which will be
like it is now. Apparently he did not understand that it was a menu choice I
asked for.
 Van
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation


> Wayne,
> If you force the same mode with SPLIT, you will be negating the use of
> cross-mode split.
> I know standard (same mode) split is much more common, but I believe a
> K3 capability for cross-mode split should be available.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Eric and I will discuss this on Monday. Sounds like a good idea.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>>
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>> On Oct 18, 2009, at 4:13 AM, "van fair" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always
>>> occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that
>>> would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always be in the same mode
>>> as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of
>>> always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice
>>> for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now.
>>>
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Re: Split operation

wayne burdick
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If we make any change at all to split operation, it will be optional.  
The present behavior will be the default.

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On Oct 18, 2009, at 1:50 PM, "Andy Faber" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Can I plead for flexibility?  Everyone seems to want the most  
> efficient
> split operation for their particular way of using split, but there  
> are other
> requirements as well.
>  For example, assume a DX station is using a K3 on 40m phone, say at  
> 7055
> kHz, and trying to listen both on its own frequency and on a split  
> frequency
> high in the band, say at 7250 kHz.  In that application, he would  
> want to be
> able to transmit on either VFO simply by turning SPLIT on or off.  He
> wouldn't want any automatic frequency equalization.
>  I like the way SPLIT works right now, as it allows such flexibility.
>  73, andy, ae6y
>
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Re: Split operation

w4giw
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MY suggestion  which is supported by many more than oppose it, still allows
you to do nothing, leave the menu selection in default and you end up with
exactly what you have now.  I have been a dxer and a ham for 57 years  and
have earned the right to make my suggestions especially when they dont
affect your having like it is now. 73 Van

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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Split operation


>> I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this
>> always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a
>> menu item that would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always
>> be in the same mode as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It
>> would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A
>> with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection
>> would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any
>> downside to this solution.  If you agree please let Wayne and
>> company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go
>> split than with any other transceiver.  Van W4GIW
>
> I don't agree.  Only making the mode the same between the VFOs is a poor
> UI.
> What about the frequency?  What if VFO-B is up in the SSB sub-band when
> you
> have VFO-A in the CW sub-band?  Now, you have another K3 operation to get
> it
> where you want it.  A>B is the perfect feature in this application.  If
> the
> menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (A>B) when it
> invoked SPLIT, that might make sense.  In the vast majority of times I go
> into SPLIT, I want to tap A>B first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal
> before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up.  I find it helpful for the VFO-B
> frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I
> start tuning the pileup.
>
> Ed - W0YK
>


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Re: Split operation [END of Thread]

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
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Guys - Let's end this thread for now. Wayne and I will discuss this next
week. (I'm currently at 30,000 ft flying back to CA from a meeting in
TX. American Air's in-flight WiFi  is pretty cool for workaholics like us..)

Also, please note from the latest manual that quickly double pressing
A->B copies ALL VFO A info to VFO B, including mode. We added that some
time back specifically for this need.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
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van fair wrote:

> MY suggestion  which is supported by many more than oppose it, still allows
> you to do nothing, leave the menu selection in default and you end up with
> exactly what you have now.  I have been a dxer and a ham for 57 years  and
> have earned the right to make my suggestions especially when they dont
> affect your having like it is now. 73 Van
>
> -- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Muns" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'van fair'" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:47 PM
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Split operation
>
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>  
>>> I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this
>>> always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a
>>> menu item that would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always
>>> be in the same mode as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It
>>> would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A
>>> with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection
>>> would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any
>>> downside to this solution.  If you agree please let Wayne and
>>> company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go
>>> split than with any other transceiver.  Van W4GIW
>>>      
>> I don't agree.  Only making the mode the same between the VFOs is a poor
>> UI.
>> What about the frequency?  What if VFO-B is up in the SSB sub-band when
>> you
>> have VFO-A in the CW sub-band?  Now, you have another K3 operation to get
>> it
>> where you want it.  A>B is the perfect feature in this application.  If
>> the
>> menu option made the VFOs equivalent in all VFO parameters (A>B) when it
>> invoked SPLIT, that might make sense.  In the vast majority of times I go
>> into SPLIT, I want to tap A>B first to be sure the VFOs are totally equal
>> before tuning VFO-B up into the pile-up.  I find it helpful for the VFO-B
>> frequency to start from a known point, i.e., the DX TX frequency, before I
>> start tuning the pileup.
>>
>> Ed - W0YK
>>
>>    
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Re: Split operation [END of Thread]

DC1RS
I don't want to contradict but tapping A>B once already copy frequency AND mode to VFO B...  
Just turned on the radio and tried again to be 100% sure.

73 de Roland, DC1RS


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Re: Split operation

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Mike NF4L

Merle Bone wrote:

> I would also find this option to be helpful.
> Merle - W0EWM
>
>
> van fair wrote:
>  
>> I believe that 98% of all of us use split to work DX and this always occurs in the same mode. It seems to me that having a menu item that would allow us to choose  to have VFO B always be in the same mode as VFO  A would be a helpful thing. It would eliminate the step of always having to make B equal A with a double tap. The Other choice for the menu selection would be to have it exactly as it is now. I dont see any downside to this solution.  If you agree please let Wayne and company know. The way it is now makes it more trouble to go split than with any other transceiver.  Van W4GIW
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