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Hi Eric and Wayne,
Since you asked, may I suggest something which may be silly. We all know the VFO B knob changes the menu items and the main tuning knob does the changing within the menu. I make the mistake all the time getting them reversed.. my problem which I can live with, but wonder if they can be reversed? Am I the only K3 bloke who does this? Thanks fellows. With a suggestion like this it must mean all the important stuff is a done deal. 73, lynn W4NL _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft- > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Lynn Lamb, W4NL > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:25 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion > > We all know the VFO B knob changes the menu items and the main tuning > knob > does the changing within the menu. I make the mistake all the time > getting > them reversed.. my problem which I can live with, but wonder if they > can be > reversed? Am I the only K3 bloke who does this? I was thinking the same thing yesterday. A button you can tap to "undo" the last bone headed adjustment! Adam - ka7ark _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Lynn Lamb, W4NL
Hi Lynn,
It helps to think of it in this way: - the large knob on the left controls what's on the large display that's shifted to the left - the small knob on the right controls what's on the small display that's shifted the right To change it now would cause a huge amount of turmoil, discontent, documentation changes, and endless firmware revisions, so we simply can't do this. Making it a menu selection would be even worse. We had a target size in mind for the K3, and I believe we've optimized the UI within those constraints. Any suggestions other than this will be entertained :) 73, Wayne N6KR Lynn Lamb, W4NL wrote: > We all know the VFO B knob changes the menu items and the main tuning > knob > does the changing within the menu. I make the mistake all the time > getting > them reversed.. my problem which I can live with, but wonder if they > can be > reversed? ... --- http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Thanks Wayne.. I completely understand, no problem. Thanks for the reply.
73, lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]> To: "Lynn Lamb, W4NL" <[hidden email]> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggestion > Hi Lynn, > > It helps to think of it in this way: > > - the large knob on the left controls what's on the large display > that's shifted to the left > - the small knob on the right controls what's on the small display > that's shifted the right > > To change it now would cause a huge amount of turmoil, discontent, > documentation changes, and endless firmware revisions, so we simply > can't do this. Making it a menu selection would be even worse. > > We had a target size in mind for the K3, and I believe we've optimized > the UI within those constraints. Any suggestions other than this will > be entertained :) > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > Lynn Lamb, W4NL wrote: > >> We all know the VFO B knob changes the menu items and the main tuning >> knob >> does the changing within the menu. I make the mistake all the time >> getting >> them reversed.. my problem which I can live with, but wonder if they >> can be >> reversed? ... > > --- > > http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1924 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 5:57 PM _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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The amount of thought put into the K3's ergonomics shows why Elecraft is the
leading supplier of high quality products. I have had my K3 S/N 2536 since January 9th. In addition to providing an intuitive set of controls you even included LCD brightness and ADJ controls. BRAVO!! 73, Sid K3SX _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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...Ah.... the [UNDO] button. Such a simple elegant idea. Where it is
available I use it without any thinking, and with great relief. Some developers of software for the MACINTOSH, where the 'undo' feature is explicitly defined and encouraged, say that fully 50% of total development effort of an application arises from the work required to implement the 'undo' feature. At least, the early Macintosh desigh thinking included explicit provision for the undo capability. I am constantly intrigued by the overwhelming disposition of software engineering to develop functionality without any thought to integrating a 'reverse' gear. Everyone seems so focused on 'the way ahead', that being able to back up--go in reverse--is not considered. In the earliest stages of system architecture design, if the 'undo' capability isn't explicitly emphasized, then the ability to evolve this is unknowingly sacrificed. ...and it is a capability that can't be developed as a afterthought. The second most intelligent creature on this planet could have been a serious competitor for humans were it not for two omissions in its early evolution, omissions that can't be added on after the fact. The octopus doesn't have a a back bone (it is an invertebrate) and it has only a one year life span. MORAL: No matter how hard you try you can't undo the omission of an undo capability. :-) Richard K5BWV Adam Koczarski wrote: .. ... .... > > I was thinking the same thing yesterday. A button you can tap to "undo" the > last bone headed adjustment! > > Adam - ka7ark > > .. ... .... ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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There is an UNDO button of sorts. It's called Restore K3 Configuration From... in the K3 Utility Configuration Menu. This presumes you stored the default configuration and/or changes you've made. Of course, if you try this, you'll see it's not instantaneous by any means (several minutes to Save or Restore). 73, Bill |
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And all computers have an undo function that works in any application. It's called a backup.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
* G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html |
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft- > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Julian, G4ILO > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:26 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggestion > > > > And all computers have an undo function that works in any application. > It's > called a backup. Virtually every software application has an undo key. Backups are for major restores, not for a mistaken edit. When's the last time you used a backup to restore a document you mistakenly delete a word from?? Not quite the same thing..... Adam - ka7ark ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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If you know what caused the problem, it's fairly simple to undo anything in the K3 (e.g. tapping METER while in CONFIG gives you the default setting for most parameters). I believe the question was how to recover if you get yourself into an unknown state and don't know how you got there. The K3 Utility's RESTORE CONFIG routine is very simple and only takes a few minutes. It's probably a good idea for everyone to store a known good configuration every now and then...just in case. If you ever need to do a full EE INIT (Page 61 of Revision D-1 Manual) reset, you'll be glad you did! 73, Bill |
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Adam Koczarski wrote: > Virtually every software application has an undo key. Backups are for major > restores, not for a mistaken edit. When's the last time you used a backup to > restore a document you mistakenly delete a word from?? Not quite the same > thing..... > > Adam - ka7ark Every day. You'd be surprised how much trouble that little "save" button can cause when you dealing with data on a network. I've preached till I'm blue in the face NOT to modify data on the server but to copy it down, do your thing, then save it with a different related name back to the server where it gets backed up hourly. Don't get me started on Outlook personal folder files. -- R. Kevin Stover, ACØH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
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> If you know what caused the problem, it's fairly simple to undo > anything in > the K3 (e.g. tapping METER while in CONFIG gives you the default > setting for > most parameters). I believe the question was how to recover if you get > yourself into an unknown state and don't know how you got there. I <believe> the original question was if you turn the wrong knob in the CONFIG mode and change a setting when you meant to move to the next item in the menu, is there an easy way to 'undo' the change you've just inadvertently made. If you haven't "tuned" many settings, yes, just tap METER and put it back to default. If you've made a recent backup, sure you just restore the radio. <IF> it's an easy programming mod to store the current state of a setting so an undo key could pop it back if you bumped the wrong knob it <might> come in handy for someone. It's not a big deal, just a suggestion..... Adam - ka7ark ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
Good point. The Utility will let you snap a baseline of your rig settings, today. What may be easier to use also is, upon finalizing your settings on the K3, you snap the baseline of the config via the Utility. Time passes and you screw up your K3 config.. you get it out of wack and want to go back (or more important know exactly what you changed between then and now).. I'd rather see the Utility give you a display or file of what the deltas are between the last known baseline and current. No sense in sifting through two lists of all-config terms and look for the diffs. Let the Utility do the 'diff -bu baseline current | less' The Was/Is deltas on current-screwed-up K3 and last baseline of K3 may reveal just a very small handful of attributes (config settings) that are deviate. This capability should be in the Utility, and it (as well as every other function in the Utility) should be a plugin so other ham radio controlling software can make use if it in their interfaces... Just a pet peave of mine. No API to the Utility... snort huff puff grumble. > It's probably a good idea for everyone to store a known good configuration > every now and then...just in case. If you ever need to do a full EE INIT > (Page 61 of Revision D-1 Manual) reset, you'll be glad you did! > > 73, Bill ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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