Suggestions for Introducing a 10-year-old to Amateur

[Pentti A J Pajunen]

YAW!

Children learn by playing. If You let him play with Your radio by
teaching him (her?) where he can listen the ham-traffic. Make sure to
tell him what not to touch: they are surely so sly, that they try it
anyway, not depending "what A nice kid".

Don't ever, ever, ever and never tell him about learning by internet,
it's too far from our hobby and he'll learn that way in any case.

Find out what branch in this hobby makes him most intrested and give him
your full support. Try to spot other ham-radio-interested kids near the
same group of ages. Avoid giving more advise than he (they) ask for.

Kids in age mentioned are smart. Let them freedom to try anything. Only
control should be that they dont hurt themselves, others or cause
exessive trouble or harm. This control is good to be kept so that they
don't know they are monitored.

73 & CU
Penna OH2G
Father and grandfather




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>     1. Re: Suggestions for Introducing a 10-year-old to Amateur
>        Radio and Electronics (Cady, Fred)
>     2. Re: Suggestions for Introducing a 10-year-old to Amateur
>        Radio and Electronics (David Shoaf)
>     3. Re: Software Additions (Joe Subich, W4TV)
>     4. Re: K3 silent on power up (Steve Webre)
>     5. FS: Weighted Tuning Knob with Ball Bearing Dimple & Aluminum
>        Inlay for Elecraft KX3 (Dave AD6A)
>     6. K2 PLL range test fails (Mike Maiorana)
>     7. Re: KX2 Batt (K9MA)
>     8. FS: Elecraft K3/K3s Main and VFO B Knob Combo, Black With
>        Finger Dimple (Dave AD6A)
>     9. Re: Suggestions for Introducing a 10-year-old to Amateur
>        Radio and Electronics (Fred Jensen)
>    10. Re: Suggestions for Introducing a 10-year-old to Amateur
>        Radio and Electronics (Brad J. Butler)
>    11. Re: K2 PLL range test fails (Don Wilhelm)
>    12. computer keying on startup (doug dietz)
>    13. Re: computer keying on startup (Don Wilhelm)
>    14. Re: computer keying on startup (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA)
>    15. Re: computer keying on startup (Michael Murphy)
>    16. Re: computer keying on startup (Gordon LaPoint)
>    17. Re: computer keying on startup (GWK)
>    18. CW with PX3 (Aaron K5ATG)
>    19. Re: CW with PX3 (rich hurd WC3T)
>    20. Re: CW with PX3 (Bob N3MNT)
>    21. SOTA Acceptance (Gary Hawkins)
>    22. Problem saving PX3 configuration (Dave Sublette)
>    23. Re: Problem saving PX3 configuration (Don Wilhelm)
>    24. Re: Problem saving PX3 configuration (Dave Sublette)
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> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:38:05 +0000
> From: "Cady, Fred" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]"
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> It sounds to me like the makerspace idea is pretty cool.  I may have to join one here in Bozeman cause project space (and projects) are seriously limited in the new digs.
>
> Googling makerspace for Denver looks like there are number of places.  Maybe some would be better than others for your grandson.
>
>
> Might be a good idea on 40m but I don't have a mobile antenna for that band.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fred
>
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> Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestions for Introducing a 10-year-old to Amateur Radio and Electronics
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> Looking for suggestion about books or kits or whatever else that might interest a ten year old to electronics and to amateur radio.  He is adept at mechanical things and pretty bright.  What else could he be?  He?s my grandson.
>
> But his understanding of electronics is well insulated by contemporary smart phones and games and the like, about the innards of which one can learn nothing in the old way ? the way we did it, by taking the family radio apart and then having to learn how to put it back together.
>
> Any other grandpas or grandmas out there have experiences to share?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
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> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 16:22:21 -0700 (MST)
> From: David Shoaf <[hidden email]>
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggestions for Introducing a 10-year-old to
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> I'm with Fred.  I gave both of my grandsons a  Kano and they have just love
> them <https://kano.me/>  .  This is, essentially, a  Raspberry Pi with a
> custom-built Linux operating system <https://www.raspberrypi.org/>  .
>
> They've learned Scratch, a procedural-type of programming language that uses
> building blocks to create the procedures.  They've also learned how to use
> programming to make things go faster when playing  Minecraft
> <https://minecraft.net/en-us/>  .
>
> The kids don't know they're learning process, procedure and logic but they
> do.  When they're introduced to more formal programming, however, they'll be
> well up the learning curve.  This is the introduction to the Maker movement
> for them.  They've since been to a robot summer camp and they ate that up,
> too.
>
> Why do I suggest this first rather than take them up to a mountain top and
> send morse code with them?  Its the hook.  Once they see how we merge
> computers and the digital modes, I'm expecting the grandsons to have a
> better sense of what I'm doing.  They see me doing things with a Raspberry
> Pi and an Arduino with ham radio.  That's the bridge.
>
> It is all about pulling them along, folks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David/KG6IRW
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:07:51 -0400
> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Software Additions
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>> Could the Elecraft radio software be changed so that K3/KSs radios
>> (equipped with the proper AM or FM filter) have a "WDATA" mode that
>> allows receiving and transmitting this 5 kHz bandwidth?
> The K3 has a 4.25 KHz hardware audio filter following the ADC.  Using
> either the AM or FM filter, bandwidth can already be set to 4 KHz
> (Shift=2.10, Width=4.00).
>
> 73,
>
>      ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 10/15/2017 4:01 PM, John Hendricks wrote:
>> As I grow older with hearing loss I have become interested in the multitude
>> of digital modes that are available because they don't rely on good
>> hearing.  A bandwidth of up to 5 kHz is used by the popular WSJT-X
>> software.  Could the Elecraft radio software be changed so that K3/KSs
>> radios (equipped with the proper AM or FM filter) have a "WDATA" mode that
>> allows receiving and transmitting this 5 kHz bandwidth?  It would also be
>> nice too do the same thing for the KX3/KX2 but it might not be possible
>> after looking at the radio design.
>>
>> John K7JLT
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> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:30:08 +0000
> From: Steve Webre <[hidden email]>
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 silent on power up
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> Folks,
>
>
> Have a K3 (#8829) that has been spectacular to date with one exception.  Since first put together, about 10% of the time when powering up, the radio remains silent with the P3 flat lining.  All front panel lights and the main display come on as normal with no error messages displayed.   Turning the K3 off, waiting several seconds and turning back on restores normal operation with no other glitches/problems observed.
>
>
> All software in both the K3 and P3 is current and both update without issue.   Unit is always shut down by the radio power switch and seems to work flawlessly otherwise.
>
> Any others see this condition?
>
>
> -Steve-
> AF5VR
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> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 18:58:51 -0700
> From: "Dave AD6A" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'elecraft'" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Weighted Tuning Knob with Ball Bearing Dimple
> & Aluminum Inlay for Elecraft KX3
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> For Sale - one Weighted Tuning Knob with Ball Bearing Dimple & Aluminum
> Inlay for Elecraft KX3, mint condition, with Allen key.
>
>  
>
> Unobtainable new. See
> http://www.73cnc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=KX3DELUXE
>
>  
>
> $100 shipped (Priority Mail) conus - PayPal only
>
>  
>
> Cheers es 73,
>
> Dave Fifield
>
> AD6A
>
>  
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:02:01 -0400
> From: Mike Maiorana <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K2 PLL range test fails
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> Since fixing my BFO range issue I started going through a full alignment. I
> roughly set the BFO for all the filters. I noticed my frequency display was
> off about 1500 Hz, so I re-set the 4MHz oscillator, then tried to run CAL
> PLL. The CAL PLL started, but never finished. It just sat right around
> 12.1MHz.
>
> I went back and tried the "PLL Reference Oscillator Range Test", which had
> passed the first time I went through calibration. Now, it is "stuck" on
> 12.097MHz. What is strange is that it will jump briefly when I press Band+
> and Band-, but it settles back to 12.097MHz.
>
> I put a volt meter on pin 1 of U6 on the RF board to check the control
> voltage. When I press Band- I can see the voltage briefly drop to near
> zero. When I press Band+ it jumps to 7.5V or so, then goes back to the
> original value.
>
> If I rotate the VFO knob I can see the PLL frequency and the control
> voltage vary over a range of about 5kHz on the VFO.
>
> It seems that the PLL is moving with the control voltage, but the Band+ and
> Band- keys during Cal FCTR don't seem to be doing what they should. Is it
> possible that I fouled up another part of the calibration that is causing
> this weird behavior? It sure feels like I'm doing something wrong, but I
> can't figure it out.
>
> I did a factory reset (hold 4,5,6 and power on), but I'm still seeing the
> same issue with the PLL.
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks and 73
> Mike M.
> KU4QO
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 21:08:15 -0500
> From: K9MA <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Batt
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> Yes, I meant separate batteries, NOT the Elecraft battery.  I should have made that clear.
>
> One possibility I've considered to reduce weight is a three cell battery holder for AA Li-ion batteries, good for about 800 mAh, as I have used with the KX1.  With the KX2, they would be good for about 2 hours of CW contest operation at 5W.
>
> 73,
> Scott K9MA
> ----------
>
> Scott Ellington
>
>   --- via iPad
>
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> The stock battery pack is sealed as one unit, not 3 individual cells.
>> Perhaps you are talking about a possible alternative battery supply and not the one sold by Elecraft.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 10/15/2017 3:59 PM, K9MA wrote:
>>> One possibility would be to get a 3-cell battery holder, and charge the cells independently.  A charger which charges several cells simultaneously, but independently, would assure balance.  Unless you use smaller cells, however, the will have to be external.
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:08:27 -0700
> From: "Dave AD6A" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'elecraft'" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K3/K3s Main and VFO B Knob Combo,
> Black With Finger Dimple
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> For Sale - one Elecraft K3/K3s Main and VFO B Knob Combo, Black With Finger
> Dimple, mint condition, with Allen key.
>
>  
>
> Unobtainable new. This is the first version of the combo knobs shown here:
>
>  
>
> http://www.73cnc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=K3COMBOBLK
>
>  
>
> Note: these knobs have smooth milled out finger dimples - they are NOT the
> newer version with ball bearing dimples, but they spin real nice all the
> same.
>
>  
>
> $150 shipped (Priority Mail) conus - PayPal only
>
>  
>
> Cheers es 73,
>
> Dave Fifield
>
> AD6A
>
>  
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:38:29 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggestions for Introducing a 10-year-old to
> Amateur Radio and Electronics
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> www.sotawatch.org is the main site.? Like everything else, one size does
> not fit all.? The programme [it started in the UK] offers a number of
> awards which attract some but not all folks.? Some are just outdoor
> folks who would be hiking/camping anyway.? Some don't hike but derive
> pleasure from working the QRP/antenna challenged stations from home.?
> They're called chasers and I am one, old injuries plus the accumulation
> of birthdays that followed tend to restrict me physically.? There are
> drive-up summits and I've done a few of them.? One very active summiteer
> runs up the mountains.? Another [WG0AT] uses pack goats.
>
> In all the times I've been on a summit, I've met a number of other
> hikers.? I'm CW only, but I've activated with others on SSB and none of
> the "visitors" have been upset.? SOTA almost universally takes place on
> the summit itself, not the trail.
>
> But SOTA was just an example for Ted.? The primary point was that
> success with his grandson, if success means the kid getting interested
> in ham radio, will likely be enhanced if he can couple the radio part up
> with some interest the boy already has and enjoys.? Double points if his
> grandson can include his friends in the activities.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 10/15/2017 2:21 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> I hate to be a wet blanket, but I am not sure if I understand the joy of
>> activating peaks on ham radio. How do other hikers react to this? I know I
>> am extremely annoyed by people gabbing on their cell phones on the trail. Is
>> ham radio that much different?
>>
>> Knut - AB2TC
>>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:50:09 -0700
> From: "Brad J. Butler" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggestions for Introducing a 10-year-old to
> Amateur Radio and Electronics
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I've wrestled with this too.  My 9 year old son really enjoyed learning how to send his name perfectly in CW while being graded by the KX2's decoder.  He wouldn't stop until he got it perfect - no spaces or anything!  But my 11 year old gave up sorta quickly.  I drag them on SOTA activations and they quickly get bored at the summits, and they don't quite enjoy the hikes yet (less entertaining than video games).  Even the super tall ones.  I'd try a couple different aspects of the hobby and see which one sticks.  The Raspberry Pi idea is great, the CW thing took for one of my kids (could maybe sell it as a code you can talk in that nobody will know) but not really the other, contesting might grab an older competitive kid, and other kids might dig amateur radio satellites.  They're all different.  In the age of smart phones, Skype, and email, it can be hard to compete.  Skip's comment about getting friends interested too is pretty smart.
>
> As far as other hikers during SOTA, I always try to operate out of the way with a small footprint (AlexLoop and KX2 with earphones).  I get more questions and probably do more good PR for ham radio than bad PR.  Lots of folks I meet while doing SOTA think it's interesting.  I usually mention how much power I'm using and which states/countries I reached.  Never had anyone complain.
>
> -Brad Butler
> W6BJB/JS6TQS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 8:38 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggestions for Introducing a 10-year-old to Amateur Radio and Electronics
>
> www.sotawatch.org is the main site.  Like everything else, one size does not fit all.  The programme [it started in the UK] offers a number of awards which attract some but not all folks.  Some are just outdoor folks who would be hiking/camping anyway.  Some don't hike but derive pleasure from working the QRP/antenna challenged stations from home. They're called chasers and I am one, old injuries plus the accumulation of birthdays that followed tend to restrict me physically.  There are drive-up summits and I've done a few of them.  One very active summiteer runs up the mountains.  Another [WG0AT] uses pack goats.
>
> In all the times I've been on a summit, I've met a number of other hikers.  I'm CW only, but I've activated with others on SSB and none of the "visitors" have been upset.  SOTA almost universally takes place on the summit itself, not the trail.
>
> But SOTA was just an example for Ted.  The primary point was that success with his grandson, if success means the kid getting interested in ham radio, will likely be enhanced if he can couple the radio part up with some interest the boy already has and enjoys.  Double points if his grandson can include his friends in the activities.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 10/15/2017 2:21 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> I hate to be a wet blanket, but I am not sure if I understand the joy of
>> activating peaks on ham radio. How do other hikers react to this? I know I
>> am extremely annoyed by people gabbing on their cell phones on the trail. Is
>> ham radio that much different?
>>
>> Knut - AB2TC
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:11:03 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
> To: Mike Maiorana <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 PLL range test fails
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> Mike,
>
> Record your current filter settings and other menu settings, and then do
>    a Master Reset (hold the 4, 5 and 6 buttons in while powering on).
>
> There is a convenient form to record the menu settings in the K2 A to B
> instructions which you can download from the Elecraft website.
>
> You may have to replace the firmware (to be determined later), but
> perhaps RF board U7 is not receiving as it should.  If you have a
> 'scope, you should be able to see pulses on U7 pins 1, 2, and 3 as you
> rotate the VFO knob.  If all 3 pins show pulses, then most likely U7 is
> not working properly.  U7 pin 7 should move from 5 volts to zero volts
> in CAL FCTR when you tap the BAND+ and BAND- buttons.  If it does, then
> U7 is operating correctly.
>
> Also make a quick check on the Thermistor board - a quick check is to
> measure the voltage at U5 pin 5 - it should be 4 volts or 1/2 the 8 volt
> supply.  If not, check the Thermistor board for solder bridges.  You can
> see the back of the Thermistor board if you remove the Control Board and
> Front Panel.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
>
> On 10/15/2017 10:02 PM, Mike Maiorana wrote:
>> Since fixing my BFO range issue I started going through a full alignment. I
>> roughly set the BFO for all the filters. I noticed my frequency display was
>> off about 1500 Hz, so I re-set the 4MHz oscillator, then tried to run CAL
>> PLL. The CAL PLL started, but never finished. It just sat right around
>> 12.1MHz.
>>
>> I went back and tried the "PLL Reference Oscillator Range Test", which had
>> passed the first time I went through calibration. Now, it is "stuck" on
>> 12.097MHz. What is strange is that it will jump briefly when I press Band+
>> and Band-, but it settles back to 12.097MHz.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:25:04 -0400
> From: doug dietz <[hidden email]>
> To: Buck via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] computer keying on startup
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> Guys
> I know we have been over this before but I can't find it in the archive.
> My computer keys my rig 3 or 4 times on startup.  It never used to do it so
> last time this came up I didn't make a note.Sorry for the rehash but I need
> help  Doug WD8Z
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:40:09 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
> To: doug dietz <[hidden email]>, Buck via Elecraft
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] computer keying on startup
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> Doug,
>
> The computer will "exercise" the serial port lines when it goes through
> its startup diagnostics.
> So if you have the K3 PTT-KEY menu set to anything other than OFF-OFF,
> it will key the K3 momentarily.
>
> If you are not using the PTT-KEY function, then turn it off.  If you are
> using it, the only solution is to either power the computer before the
> K3 or put the K3 into TX TEST before powering the computer.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 10/16/2017 9:25 AM, doug dietz wrote:
>> Guys
>> I know we have been over this before but I can't find it in the archive.
>> My computer keys my rig 3 or 4 times on startup.  It never used to do it so
>> last time this came up I didn't make a note.Sorry for the rehash but I need
>> help  Doug WD8Z
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:15:01 +0200
> From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] computer keying on startup
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> That works but WSJT i.e. can't find the KIO3B com port in my setup when
> the K3 is off while powering the computer first. Although the com port
> is listed in the device manager. Kinda strange... (Win7 Pro).
> That happens both on my desktop and on my notebook.
>
> 73 Udo, DK5YA
>
>
> Am 16.10.2017 um 15:40 schrieb Don Wilhelm:
>> Doug,
>>
>> The computer will "exercise" the serial port lines when it goes through
>> its startup diagnostics.
>> So if you have the K3 PTT-KEY menu set to anything other than OFF-OFF,
>> it will key the K3 momentarily.
>>
>> If you are not using the PTT-KEY function, then turn it off.? If you are
>> using it, the only solution is to either power the computer before the
>> K3 or put the K3 into TX TEST before powering the computer.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2017 9:25 AM, doug dietz wrote:
>>> Guys
>>> I know we have been over this before but I can't find it in the archive.
>>> My computer keys my rig 3 or 4 times on startup.? It never used to do
>>> it so
>>> last time this came up I didn't make a note.Sorry for the rehash but I
>>> need
>>> help? Doug WD8Z
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