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Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO

Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

My teammate and I decided that we wanted to have a panadapter with mouse support and point & click functionality for WRTC 2018. Unfortunately we did not find the time to build and test alternative solutions to the P3 and consequently decided against an Elecraft K3S as our radio. However, the K3/K3S still was a very popular radio at WRTC so I did a survey on the WRTC-teams mailing list and asked about their panadapter solutions.

My questions were:
1) Did you use the P3 as a panadapter?
2) If not the P3
a) which hardware solution did you choose?
- e.g. which SDR/splitter etc?
b) which software solution and how did you integrate the waterfall display?
- e.g. on a separate PC/monitor or on the same PC/monitor as your logging software?
- if on the same PC how did you handle the program focus?
c) would you use the P3 if Elecraft added mouse support for point & click?

Here is the summary:

I got 20 replies in total.

6 used the Elecraft P3 panadapter.

14 went with another solution and chose the following hardware:
Airspy HF+: 8
Funcube Pro USB: 2
SDRplay RSP1A: 1
Winradio: 1
Perseus: 1
other SDR: 1

I got less detailed answers regarding the use of splitters:
commercial splitter: 1
passive T-connector: 1

no details given: 12

The software used was
HDSDR: 4
N1MM spectrum display: 3
Writelog spectrum display: 2
SDR-console: 2
SDR-radio.com: 1

no details given: 2

I received very little information on how to integrate the panadapter. 2 were using HDSDR with the logging PC/monitor and used an autohotkey macro to get the focus back to the logging software.

11 (5 of P3 group, 6 of second group) would use the P3’s mouse functionality if Elecraft added it.

The remaining 8 of the second group indicated that their solution, while more elaborate, is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the P3 and they would therefore stick to it.

The replies also indicated that the native P3 users were using scope functionality predominantly in a passive way, e.g. watching general band activity and signal strengths. Those aiming to use the scope more actively were looking for solutions providing a fixed waterfall display with mouse support and point & click functionality. This allowed them to more effectively do search & pounce, interleave QSOs or click a new CQ frequency.

73,

Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A

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py5eg

RES: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

Hi Stefan
Thanks for sharing this interesting information with us
Best 73
Oms PY5EG

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De: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Em nome de Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de julho de 2018 05:53
Para: [hidden email]
Assunto: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

My teammate and I decided that we wanted to have a panadapter with mouse support and point & click functionality for WRTC 2018. Unfortunately we did not find the time to build and test alternative solutions to the P3 and consequently decided against an Elecraft K3S as our radio. However, the K3/K3S still was a very popular radio at WRTC so I did a survey on the WRTC-teams mailing list and asked about their panadapter solutions.

My questions were:
1) Did you use the P3 as a panadapter?
2) If not the P3
a) which hardware solution did you choose?
- e.g. which SDR/splitter etc?
b) which software solution and how did you integrate the waterfall display?
- e.g. on a separate PC/monitor or on the same PC/monitor as your logging software?
- if on the same PC how did you handle the program focus?
c) would you use the P3 if Elecraft added mouse support for point & click?

Here is the summary:

I got 20 replies in total.

6 used the Elecraft P3 panadapter.

14 went with another solution and chose the following hardware:
Airspy HF+: 8
Funcube Pro USB: 2
SDRplay RSP1A: 1
Winradio: 1
Perseus: 1
other SDR: 1

I got less detailed answers regarding the use of splitters:
commercial splitter: 1
passive T-connector: 1

no details given: 12

The software used was
HDSDR: 4
N1MM spectrum display: 3
Writelog spectrum display: 2
SDR-console: 2
SDR-radio.com: 1

no details given: 2

I received very little information on how to integrate the panadapter. 2 were using HDSDR with the logging PC/monitor and used an autohotkey macro to get the focus back to the logging software.

11 (5 of P3 group, 6 of second group) would use the P3’s mouse functionality if Elecraft added it.

The remaining 8 of the second group indicated that their solution, while more elaborate, is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the P3 and they would therefore stick to it.

The replies also indicated that the native P3 users were using scope functionality predominantly in a passive way, e.g. watching general band activity and signal strengths. Those aiming to use the scope more actively were looking for solutions providing a fixed waterfall display with mouse support and point & click functionality. This allowed them to more effectively do search & pounce, interleave QSOs or click a new CQ frequency.

73,

Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A

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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

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I'm using the SDR Play / RSP1 with HDSDR software.   With the RSP1
connected to the IF OUT I find that nothing else is required.
Configured in the software, via OmniRig for Sync to Rig and Sync from
Rig, I have full point and click mouse control. Click on a signal and
the radio goes there.   I find this makes for a very economical
configuration, and it provides a 2nd receiver, if desired.    This
allows one to listen to the DX frequency while maintaining a watch on
the call frequency.   It also allows one to monitor their own signal
during transmit.

No splitter is required and it does not affect the K3S receiver
performance.    One cable is connected from the RSP1 to the K3S IF OUT
and one cable connected from the RSP1 to the computer.   The K3S also
connects to the computer with one USB cable. Simple, clean, and
economical.

73

Bob, K4TAX

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gm3sek

Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

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Thanks to Stefan for surveying opinions of the P3 from the world's top contesters.

Three years ago, I asked Elecraft about the possibility of point-and-click tuning using a mouse plugged into the USB port of the P3SVGA. These were the key points of Elecraft's reply.

1. "The firmware architecture is arranged to control the P3 from the P3 front panel. The SVGA is controlled by the P3, rather than the other way around."
Comment: That does seem to be a substantial technical point, although they also agreed that "anything can be done" (which we must presume to mean, "given sufficient demand and priority").

2. "You would have to choose between a mouse and a keyboard. The P3SVGA USB does not support... multiple devices at the same time."
Comment: Not a deal-breaker.

3. "Is the knob really that much slower than a mouse?"
Comment: Words failed me! At that point I broke off the conversation. The gap in understanding was simply too wide.

Since then I have purchased a second K3; but I did not purchase another P3. Instead I chose one of SDR-based alternatives which does more, better, at lower cost, and - crucially - continues to evolve. Meanwhile, the P3 falls farther behind.

73 from Ian GM3SEK

>-----Original Message-----
>From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
>[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO
>Sent: 26 July 2018 09:53
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter
>solutions
>
>My teammate and I decided that we wanted to have a panadapter with
>mouse support and point & click functionality for WRTC 2018.
>Unfortunately we did not find the time to build and test alternative
>solutions to the P3 and consequently decided against an Elecraft K3S as
>our radio. However, the K3/K3S still was a very popular radio at WRTC
>so I did a survey on the WRTC-teams mailing list and asked about their
>panadapter solutions.
>
>My questions were:
>1) Did you use the P3 as a panadapter?
>2) If not the P3
> a) which hardware solution did you choose?
> - e.g. which SDR/splitter etc?
> b) which software solution and how did you integrate the waterfall
>display?
> - e.g. on a separate PC/monitor or on the same PC/monitor as your
>logging software?
> - if on the same PC how did you handle the program focus?
> c) would you use the P3 if Elecraft added mouse support for point &
>click?
>
>
>Here is the summary:
>
>I got 20 replies in total.
>
>6 used the Elecraft P3 panadapter.
>
>14 went with another solution and chose the following hardware:
> Airspy HF+: 8
> Funcube Pro USB: 2
> SDRplay RSP1A: 1
> Winradio: 1
> Perseus: 1
> other SDR: 1
>
>I got less detailed answers regarding the use of splitters:
> commercial splitter: 1
> passive T-connector: 1
>
> no details given: 12
>
>The software used was
> HDSDR: 4
> N1MM spectrum display: 3
> Writelog spectrum display: 2
> SDR-console: 2
> SDR-radio.com: 1
>
> no details given: 2
>
>I received very little information on how to integrate the panadapter. 2
>were using HDSDR with the logging PC/monitor and used an
>autohotkey macro to get the focus back to the logging software.
>
>
>11 (5 of P3 group, 6 of second group) would use the P3’s mouse
>functionality if Elecraft added it.
>
>The remaining 8 of the second group indicated that their solution,
>while more elaborate, is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the P3
>and they would therefore stick to it.
>
>
>The replies also indicated that the native P3 users were using scope
>functionality predominantly in a passive way, e.g. watching general
>band activity and signal strengths. Those aiming to use the scope more
>actively were looking for solutions providing a fixed waterfall display
>with mouse support and point & click functionality. This allowed them
>to more effectively do search & pounce, interleave QSOs or click a new
>CQ frequency.
>
>
>73,
>
>Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A
>
>
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>
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Allan Zadiraka

Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

I have point and click tuning with a mouse using the P3 VGA output to a VGA
capture board connected through WIN4K3 rig control software. The only use
I have for the P3 display is the Transmit Monitor indicators. I also have
had discussion with Elecraft in reference to their being stuck with 1960
panadapter functionally with the P3. Thank goodness for WIN4K3..

zeke, AB8OU

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 8:28 AM Ian White <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks to Stefan for surveying opinions of the P3 from the world's top
> contesters.
>
> Three years ago, I asked Elecraft about the possibility of point-and-click
> tuning using a mouse plugged into the USB port of the P3SVGA. These were
> the key points of Elecraft's reply.
>
> 1. "The firmware architecture is arranged to control the P3 from the P3
> front panel. The SVGA is controlled by the P3, rather than the other way
> around."
> Comment: That does seem to be a substantial technical point, although they
> also agreed that "anything can be done" (which we must presume to mean,
> "given sufficient demand and priority").
>
> 2. "You would have to choose between a mouse and a keyboard. The P3SVGA
> USB does not support... multiple devices at the same time."
> Comment: Not a deal-breaker.
>
> 3. "Is the knob really that much slower than a mouse?"
> Comment: Words failed me! At that point I broke off the conversation. The
> gap in understanding was simply too wide.
>
> Since then I have purchased a second K3; but I did not purchase another
> P3. Instead I chose one of SDR-based alternatives which does more, better,
> at lower cost, and - crucially - continues to evolve. Meanwhile, the P3
> falls farther behind.
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> >[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO
> >Sent: 26 July 2018 09:53
> >To: [hidden email]
> >Subject: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter
> >solutions
> >
> >My teammate and I decided that we wanted to have a panadapter with
> >mouse support and point & click functionality for WRTC 2018.
> >Unfortunately we did not find the time to build and test alternative
> >solutions to the P3 and consequently decided against an Elecraft K3S as
> >our radio. However, the K3/K3S still was a very popular radio at WRTC
> >so I did a survey on the WRTC-teams mailing list and asked about their
> >panadapter solutions.
> >
> >My questions were:
> >1) Did you use the P3 as a panadapter?
> >2) If not the P3
> > a) which hardware solution did you choose?
> > - e.g. which SDR/splitter etc?
> > b) which software solution and how did you integrate the waterfall
> >display?
> > - e.g. on a separate PC/monitor or on the same PC/monitor as your
> >logging software?
> > - if on the same PC how did you handle the program focus?
> > c) would you use the P3 if Elecraft added mouse support for point &
> >click?
> >
> >
> >Here is the summary:
> >
> >I got 20 replies in total.
> >
> >6 used the Elecraft P3 panadapter.
> >
> >14 went with another solution and chose the following hardware:
> > Airspy HF+: 8
> > Funcube Pro USB: 2
> > SDRplay RSP1A: 1
> > Winradio: 1
> > Perseus: 1
> > other SDR: 1
> >
> >I got less detailed answers regarding the use of splitters:
> > commercial splitter: 1
> > passive T-connector: 1
> >
> > no details given: 12
> >
> >The software used was
> > HDSDR: 4
> > N1MM spectrum display: 3
> > Writelog spectrum display: 2
> > SDR-console: 2
> > SDR-radio.com: 1
> >
> > no details given: 2
> >
> >I received very little information on how to integrate the panadapter. 2
> >were using HDSDR with the logging PC/monitor and used an
> >autohotkey macro to get the focus back to the logging software.
> >
> >
> >11 (5 of P3 group, 6 of second group) would use the P3’s mouse
> >functionality if Elecraft added it.
> >
> >The remaining 8 of the second group indicated that their solution,
> >while more elaborate, is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the P3
> >and they would therefore stick to it.
> >
> >
> >The replies also indicated that the native P3 users were using scope
> >functionality predominantly in a passive way, e.g. watching general
> >band activity and signal strengths. Those aiming to use the scope more
> >actively were looking for solutions providing a fixed waterfall display
> >with mouse support and point & click functionality. This allowed them
> >to more effectively do search & pounce, interleave QSOs or click a new
> >CQ frequency.
> >
> >
> >73,
> >
> >Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A
> >
> >
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Vic Rosenthal

Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

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William Liporace - WC2L

Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

In reply to this post by Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO

Great information!! The Airspy & N1MM+ Spectrum display is pretty cool.
It is radio independent (K3, FTdx500, etc). The cost is $200. It is
dead easy! My guess the Flex guys used the software included.

So about 12% of the teams used the Airspy HF+. My guess is that you had
most of them were using N1MM+. I would also like to know who was using
what (radios, software, etc). I have not looked at the web site. If I
remember someone did a list for WRTC 2014.

I like the Win4K3 suite. For me the missing part is the ability to
include the Airspy HF+. I don't use my P3... It will more than likely go
back into the box.

Will WC2L

On 7/26/2018 4:53 AM, Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO wrote:

> My teammate and I decided that we wanted to have a panadapter with mouse support and point & click functionality for WRTC 2018. Unfortunately we did not find the time to build and test alternative solutions to the P3 and consequently decided against an Elecraft K3S as our radio. However, the K3/K3S still was a very popular radio at WRTC so I did a survey on the WRTC-teams mailing list and asked about their panadapter solutions.
>
> My questions were:
> 1) Did you use the P3 as a panadapter?
> 2) If not the P3
> a) which hardware solution did you choose?
> - e.g. which SDR/splitter etc?
> b) which software solution and how did you integrate the waterfall display?
> - e.g. on a separate PC/monitor or on the same PC/monitor as your logging software?
> - if on the same PC how did you handle the program focus?
> c) would you use the P3 if Elecraft added mouse support for point & click?
>
>
> Here is the summary:
>
> I got 20 replies in total.
>
> 6 used the Elecraft P3 panadapter.
>
> 14 went with another solution and chose the following hardware:
> Airspy HF+: 8
> Funcube Pro USB: 2
> SDRplay RSP1A: 1
> Winradio: 1
> Perseus: 1
> other SDR: 1
>
> I got less detailed answers regarding the use of splitters:
> commercial splitter: 1
> passive T-connector: 1
>
> no details given: 12
>
> The software used was
> HDSDR: 4
> N1MM spectrum display: 3
> Writelog spectrum display: 2
> SDR-console: 2
> SDR-radio.com: 1
>
> no details given: 2
>
> I received very little information on how to integrate the panadapter. 2 were using HDSDR with the logging PC/monitor and used an autohotkey macro to get the focus back to the logging software.
>
>
> 11 (5 of P3 group, 6 of second group) would use the P3’s mouse functionality if Elecraft added it.
>
> The remaining 8 of the second group indicated that their solution, while more elaborate, is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the P3 and they would therefore stick to it.
>
>
> The replies also indicated that the native P3 users were using scope functionality predominantly in a passive way, e.g. watching general band activity and signal strengths. Those aiming to use the scope more actively were looking for solutions providing a fixed waterfall display with mouse support and point & click functionality. This allowed them to more effectively do search & pounce, interleave QSOs or click a new CQ frequency.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A
>
>
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ab2tc

Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

Hi,

None of you buddies have heard of LP-PAN and NaP3? No RF splitter needed and
NaP3 takes care of all the frequency offsets caused by the bandpass shifting
on the K3(S). The latest versions of NaP3 even have cluster spots displayed.

AB2TC Knut

William Liporace - WC2L wrote

> Great information!! The Airspy & N1MM+ Spectrum display is pretty cool.
> It is radio independent (K3, FTdx500, etc). The cost is $200. It is
> dead easy! My guess the Flex guys used the software included.
>
> So about 12% of the teams used the Airspy HF+. My guess is that you had
> most of them were using N1MM+. I would also like to know who was using
> what (radios, software, etc). I have not looked at the web site. If I
> remember someone did a list for WRTC 2014.
>
> I like the Win4K3 suite. For me the missing part is the ability to
> include the Airspy HF+. I don't use my P3... It will more than likely go
> back into the box.
>
> Will WC2L
> <snip>

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

The issue is that NaP3 does not support Airspy, SDRplay or RTS dongle
based SDRs. It's fine if one has LP-Pan with an unreliable sound card
or Fun Cube Dongle but otherwise it's rather crippled and not readily
supported.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2018-07-26 5:28 PM, ab2tc wrote:

> Hi,
>
> None of you buddies have heard of LP-PAN and NaP3? No RF splitter needed and
> NaP3 takes care of all the frequency offsets caused by the bandpass shifting
> on the K3(S). The latest versions of NaP3 even have cluster spots displayed.
>
> AB2TC Knut
>
>
> William Liporace - WC2L wrote
>> Great information!! The Airspy & N1MM+ Spectrum display is pretty cool.
>> It is radio independent (K3, FTdx500, etc). The cost is $200. It is
>> dead easy! My guess the Flex guys used the software included.
>>
>> So about 12% of the teams used the Airspy HF+. My guess is that you had
>> most of them were using N1MM+. I would also like to know who was using
>> what (radios, software, etc). I have not looked at the web site. If I
>> remember someone did a list for WRTC 2014.
>>
>> I like the Win4K3 suite. For me the missing part is the ability to
>> include the Airspy HF+. I don't use my P3... It will more than likely go
>> back into the box.
>>
>> Will WC2L
>> <snip>
>
>

Roger D Johnson

Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

It's also fine with a reliable sound card!

73, Roger

On 7/26/2018 6:33 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
> The issue is that NaP3 does not support Airspy, SDRplay or RTS dongle
> based SDRs. It's fine if one has LP-Pan with an unreliable sound card
> or Fun Cube Dongle but otherwise it's rather crippled and not readily
> supported.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2018-07-26 5:28 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> None of you buddies have heard of LP-PAN and NaP3? No RF splitter needed and
>> NaP3 takes care of all the frequency offsets caused by the bandpass shifting
>> on the K3(S). The latest versions of NaP3 even have cluster spots displayed.
>>
>> AB2TC Knut
>>
>>
>> William Liporace - WC2L wrote
>>> Great information!! The Airspy & N1MM+ Spectrum display is pretty cool.
>>> It is radio independent (K3, FTdx500, etc). The cost is $200. It is
>>> dead easy! My guess the Flex guys used the software included.
>>>
>>> So about 12% of the teams used the Airspy HF+. My guess is that you had
>>> most of them were using N1MM+. I would also like to know who was using
>>> what (radios, software, etc). I have not looked at the web site. If I
>>> remember someone did a list for WRTC 2014.
>>>
>>> I like the Win4K3 suite. For me the missing part is the ability to
>>> include the Airspy HF+. I don't use my P3... It will more than likely go
>>> back into the box.
>>>
>>> Will WC2L
>>> <snip>
>>
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Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

On 2018-07-26 7:07 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote:
> It's also fine with a reliable sound card!
>
> 73, Roger
>

Most of the sound cards that support 192 KHz sampling (~200KHz display
with NaP3) have either lost driver support for Windows 10 or have
reported hardware reliability issues. That is a primary reason so
many have abandoned LP-Pan/SoftRock with sound card style systems in
favor of the RTL dongles, AirSpy and/or SDRplay based systems.

It is a shame that NaP3 support is so lacking for the majority of
the better hardware these days.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

I have and LP-PAN2 and could never get it to work reliably with both U5 and U7
outboard sound cards on my system. Others have had great success with it, but I
haven't. Birdies and other junk in the spectrum. It would kinda-sorta work but
that's not good enough. I've held out for now until I can find a better
panadapter solution. I have a P3 and it's OK--it's gotten me through more than a
few DXpedition pileups looking for replying station--but I'm after a better way
to accomplish this.

The ideal solution would be if Elecraft ever released a module with I/Q out, and
I'm curious why they haven't done so, in fact. I would much rather have my K3s
than any Flex, but with that said, the features provided by SDR are undeniably
powerful. I might grab and SDRPlay and give it a try when it comes time to
reconfigure my station.

- pjd

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On 2018-07-26 7:07 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote:
> It's also fine with a reliable sound card!
>
> 73, Roger
>

Most of the sound cards that support 192 KHz sampling (~200KHz display
with NaP3) have either lost driver support for Windows 10 or have
reported hardware reliability issues. That is a primary reason so
many have abandoned LP-Pan/SoftRock with sound card style systems in
favor of the RTL dongles, AirSpy and/or SDRplay based systems.

It is a shame that NaP3 support is so lacking for the majority of
the better hardware these days.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

I did a video with my K3 and the panadapter solution that I use. See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KusmkeLdfwE

-John NI0K

> Peter W2IRT <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:00 PM
> I have and LP-PAN2 and could never get it to work reliably with both
> U5 and U7
> outboard sound cards on my system. Others have had great success with
> it, but I
> haven't. Birdies and other junk in the spectrum. It would kinda-sorta
> work but
> that's not good enough. I've held out for now until I can find a better
> panadapter solution. I have a P3 and it's OK--it's gotten me through
> more than a
> few DXpedition pileups looking for replying station--but I'm after a
> better way
> to accomplish this.
>
> The ideal solution would be if Elecraft ever released a module with
> I/Q out, and
> I'm curious why they haven't done so, in fact. I would much rather
> have my K3s
> than any Flex, but with that said, the features provided by SDR are
> undeniably
> powerful. I might grab and SDRPlay and give it a try when it comes time to
> reconfigure my station.
>
> - pjd
>
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> solutions
>
>
>
>
> Most of the sound cards that support 192 KHz sampling (~200KHz display
> with NaP3) have either lost driver support for Windows 10 or have
> reported hardware reliability issues. That is a primary reason so
> many have abandoned LP-Pan/SoftRock with sound card style systems in
> favor of the RTL dongles, AirSpy and/or SDRplay based systems.
>
> It is a shame that NaP3 support is so lacking for the majority of
> the better hardware these days.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
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>
>
>
>
> Most of the sound cards that support 192 KHz sampling (~200KHz display
> with NaP3) have either lost driver support for Windows 10 or have
> reported hardware reliability issues. That is a primary reason so
> many have abandoned LP-Pan/SoftRock with sound card style systems in
> favor of the RTL dongles, AirSpy and/or SDRplay based systems.
>
> It is a shame that NaP3 support is so lacking for the majority of
> the better hardware these days.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
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> 73, Roger
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> The issue is that NaP3 does not support Airspy, SDRplay or RTS dongle
> based SDRs. It's fine if one has LP-Pan with an unreliable sound card
> or Fun Cube Dongle but otherwise it's rather crippled and not readily
> supported.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
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> Hi,
>
> None of you buddies have heard of LP-PAN and NaP3? No RF splitter
> needed and
> NaP3 takes care of all the frequency offsets caused by the bandpass
> shifting
> on the K3(S). The latest versions of NaP3 even have cluster spots
> displayed.
>
> AB2TC Knut
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Re: RES: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

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I use a P3. Another thing I don't have to use a PC for :-).

73, John N1JM

py5eg wrote
> Hi Stefan
> Thanks for sharing this interesting information with us
> Best 73
> Oms PY5EG
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> ] Em nome de Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO
> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de julho de 2018 05:53
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> Assunto: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter
> solutions
>
> My teammate and I decided that we wanted to have a panadapter with mouse
> support and point & click functionality for WRTC 2018. Unfortunately we
> did not find the time to build and test alternative solutions to the P3
> and consequently decided against an Elecraft K3S as our radio. However,
> the K3/K3S still was a very popular radio at WRTC so I did a survey on the
> WRTC-teams mailing list and asked about their panadapter solutions.
>
> My questions were:
> 1) Did you use the P3 as a panadapter?
> 2) If not the P3
> a) which hardware solution did you choose?
> - e.g. which SDR/splitter etc?
> b) which software solution and how did you integrate the waterfall
> display?
> - e.g. on a separate PC/monitor or on the same PC/monitor as your
> logging software?
> - if on the same PC how did you handle the program focus?
> c) would you use the P3 if Elecraft added mouse support for point &
> click?
>
>
> Here is the summary:
>
> I got 20 replies in total.
>
> 6 used the Elecraft P3 panadapter.
>
> 14 went with another solution and chose the following hardware:
> Airspy HF+: 8
> Funcube Pro USB: 2
> SDRplay RSP1A: 1
> Winradio: 1
> Perseus: 1
> other SDR: 1
>
> I got less detailed answers regarding the use of splitters:
> commercial splitter: 1
> passive T-connector: 1
>
> no details given: 12
>
> The software used was
> HDSDR: 4
> N1MM spectrum display: 3
> Writelog spectrum display: 2
> SDR-console: 2
> SDR-radio.com: 1
>
> no details given: 2
>
> I received very little information on how to integrate the panadapter. 2
> were using HDSDR with the logging PC/monitor and used an autohotkey macro
> to get the focus back to the logging software.
>
>
> 11 (5 of P3 group, 6 of second group) would use the P3’s mouse
> functionality if Elecraft added it.
>
> The remaining 8 of the second group indicated that their solution, while
> more elaborate, is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the P3 and
> they would therefore stick to it.
>
>
> The replies also indicated that the native P3 users were using scope
> functionality predominantly in a passive way, e.g. watching general band
> activity and signal strengths. Those aiming to use the scope more actively
> were looking for solutions providing a fixed waterfall display with mouse
> support and point & click functionality. This allowed them to more
> effectively do search & pounce, interleave QSOs or click a new CQ
> frequency.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A
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Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

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My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR,
so it thats
true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out
the I/Q signal
for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc?
I never got an answer when asking this before, or am I all wet that
this is not
possible at all?
I know the P3 works well as a receiver alone to find RFI etc. so why
not a board add
on with outputs.
73 Merv K9FD
> The ideal solution would be if Elecraft ever released a module with I/Q out, and
> I'm curious why they haven't done so, in fact. I would much rather have my K3s
> than any Flex, but with that said, the features provided by SDR are undeniably
> powerful. I might grab and SDRPlay and give it a try when it comes time to
> reconfigure my station.
>
> - pjd
>
>

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Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

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I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it.

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> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so it thats
> true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the I/Q signal
> for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc?

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I meant to mention that that this would require a small, easily retrofitted add-on module for the P3.

Anticipating the next question: it doesn’t exist so there isn’t a waiting list yet :)

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> On Jul 27, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it.
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>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so it thats
>> true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the I/Q signal
>> for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc?
>
>

Nr4c

Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

Wayne.

In what “Time Frame” might it exist??
6 months, 12 months?? Never??

And while this question has also been raised; is there a possibility of mouse control with a P3? This would be a real PLUS!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

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> I meant to mention that that this would require a small, easily retrofitted add-on module for the P3.
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> Anticipating the next question: it doesn’t exist so there isn’t a waiting list yet :)
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>> On Jul 27, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it.
>>
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>>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>> My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so it thats
>>> true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the I/Q signal
>>> for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc?
>>
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That would be perfect for my use. Im only one but sign me up.

Merv K9FD

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Re: Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions

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Looking forward to it!

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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> I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it.
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>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so it thats
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>> for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc?
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