Swains Is

[greenacres113-2]

This morning I wrkd them on 40m SSB from Tn with my trusty K3/KPA500 &
Hytower vertical. He was strong [S9] here. After he got the K9 he asked
several times for my suffix before getting it. After the QSO I flipped
to my xmit freq. There were  3 or 4 tailgaiters calling him on my old
xmit freq. He picked up a K3. When he asked for his suffix I flipped
back to the old xmit. As the K3 was giving his call at least 5 or 6
idiots were calling him. They wouldn't quit. Finally the NH8 OP said
:stop I'm only calling the K3. When I flipped there were still two
idiots calling him. The NH8 OP then said: I'll only answer the K3. Then
the K3 got his QSO.
Who knows who had the poor rx & who were the idiots. I think you can
guess. Besides bad manners it slows the QSO count down. Bottom line is
that this idea of I'll yell  my call til he's forced to answer me is
counterproductive. They embarrass themselves. It slows the QSO count
down. It means a few stn.s will never get the QSO. The hobby loses.
Maybe that's what they want. Who knows. The axium of work the obnoxious
ones first & get them out of the way has it's points but this is a
hobby. Or it is sometimes....

K9IL
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[Tony Estep]

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:44 PM, r miles <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ....at least 5 or 6 idiots were calling...

===========
When I was first licensed in 1957 this and all the many related topics were
discussed practically every month in columns in CQ and/or QST, and it will
never change as long as there are pileups. Situations like this are treated
on the website of every DXpedition, and the DX Code specifically addresses
them. DX columns in CQ and QST still make exactly the same comments they
made 55 years ago. However, it is fruitless. Every village has an idiot,
and every pileup is the equivalent of several villages.

As a side note: The NH8 DXpedition, like most recent expeditions, started
out by trying to operate in the General portion of the bands, in order to
maximize QSOs. They advertised on their website that this would be their
policy. However, they are now operating entirely in the Extra portions at
the very low end of the bands, probably in the hope that the pileup
behavior will improve. Of course, to the limited extent that this improves
matters, it's good only for CW and only on the non-WARC bands. And sad to
say, the behavior of Extra licensees does not really seem to be much of an
improvement. Still on-freq callers, still up-cops, still tuner-uppers, and
still deliberate QRMers.

It's natural to get frustrated, but as far as I can figure out, the best
answer is just to learn how to work DX in spite of all this nonsense,
because it ain't gonna go away.

Tony KT0NY


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[Jon Kåre Hellan]

On 09/11/2012 03:39 AM, Tony Estep wrote:
> However, they are now operating entirely in the Extra portions at
> the very low end of the bands, probably in the hope that the pileup
> behavior will improve. Of course, to the limited extent that this improves
> matters, it's good only for CW and only on the non-WARC bands.

Not to mention, only for US hams, 30 - 40% of the HF ham population? But
they're closer to the Pacific than Europe is.

Jon LA4RT

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[N5GE-2]

I believe their original plan had merit, except that they should have
transmitted in the Extra portion of the bands and listened above in
the General and Advanced portion of the CW bands.  

The change they chose leaves too much temptation for non-Extra class
hams to work them illegally since the ARRL DXCC Award only specifies
reporting the band used and not the actual frequency used by the
transmitter of the DXCC applicant.

There have been times when I was an OO that 4U1ITU made a habit of
transmitting just a KHz below the CW bands and listening only on
their TX Frequency causing many US hams to get OO notices for being
outside an Amateur band.  When I reported the 4U1ITU practice to the
ARRL they told me to stop making trouble.

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member  

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:19:37 +0200, Jon K Hellan <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>On 09/11/2012 03:39 AM, Tony Estep wrote:
>> However, they are now operating entirely in the Extra portions at
>> the very low end of the bands, probably in the hope that the pileup
>> behavior will improve. Of course, to the limited extent that this improves
>> matters, it's good only for CW and only on the non-WARC bands.
>
>Not to mention, only for US hams, 30 - 40% of the HF ham population? But
>they're closer to the Pacific than Europe is.
>
>Jon LA4RT
>
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