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Bob
The Trimble Thunderbolt is scarce on the used market and when they appear the price is painful.  They were designed and manufactured for the BB wireless and cellular market when the industry switched from analog to digital synchronized cell sites.  I was part of that out business.  


We need a compatible module that will work with the Elecraft products.  Today there are chips that reduce to complexity and price that would make it possible to have a product that will reach the Elecraft user base of customers.  


John, W1QS



Not that I had a "need" but I did instal the K3EXREF with a Trimble Thunderbolt
GPSDO. So I have the 10MHZ reference available.

I also have no present "need" for the XV144 & XV432 to be locked to that
external reference. However were a kit available to do it I would purchase the
kit/accessory to do so.

i would like to see it as a product.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR





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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

W2RMS
Count me in!
Ever since i got that REF board - i've been looking for that elusive Trimble unit.
People had told me that eBay is full of them for like $70.
Yeah, right! Maybe 10 years ago...
Now, they're about $200-300 depending on power supply availability, and you can't even find them...
So, yeah, i want this board to work!
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On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:48 AM, John Lawrence via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> Bob
> The Trimble Thunderbolt is scarce on the used market and when they appear the price is painful.  They were designed and manufactured for the BB wireless and cellular market when the industry switched from analog to digital synchronized cell sites.  I was part of that out business.  
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> We need a compatible module that will work with the Elecraft products.  Today there are chips that reduce to complexity and price that would make it possible to have a product that will reach the Elecraft user base of customers.  
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> John, W1QS
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> Not that I had a "need" but I did instal the K3EXREF with a Trimble Thunderbolt
> GPSDO. So I have the 10MHZ reference available.
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> I also have no present "need" for the XV144 & XV432 to be locked to that
> external reference. However were a kit available to do it I would purchase the
> kit/accessory to do so.
>
> i would like to see it as a product.
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> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

GM4JJJ
A couple of ham designs, which you can buy, not cheap, but good quality.

http://rudius.net/oz2m/ngnb/gps.htm

http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm

Some more ideas:

http://www.g4jnt.com/freqlock.htm

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ

> On 21 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Slava Baytalskiy <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Count me in!
> Ever since i got that REF board - i've been looking for that elusive Trimble unit.
> People had told me that eBay is full of them for like $70.
> Yeah, right! Maybe 10 years ago...
> Now, they're about $200-300 depending on power supply availability, and you can't even find them...
> So, yeah, i want this board to work!
> __________________
> Slava (Sal) B, W2RMS
> [hidden email]
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>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:48 AM, John Lawrence via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Bob
>> The Trimble Thunderbolt is scarce on the used market and when they appear the price is painful.  They were designed and manufactured for the BB wireless and cellular market when the industry switched from analog to digital synchronized cell sites.  I was part of that out business.  
>>
>>
>> We need a compatible module that will work with the Elecraft products.  Today there are chips that reduce to complexity and price that would make it possible to have a product that will reach the Elecraft user base of customers.  
>>
>>
>> John, W1QS
>>
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>>
>> Not that I had a "need" but I did instal the K3EXREF with a Trimble Thunderbolt
>> GPSDO. So I have the 10MHZ reference available.
>>
>> I also have no present "need" for the XV144 & XV432 to be locked to that
>> external reference. However were a kit available to do it I would purchase the
>> kit/accessory to do so.
>>
>> i would like to see it as a product.
>>
>> 73,
>> Bob
>> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

Charles Johnson-2
They are still available on eBay: search "Nortel Trimble” and the first item that comes up is a complete unit with GPS antenna. I bought one and it works perfectly and produces a 10 Mhz output for the K3EXREF board. Needs a 24 VDC supply. GUI software is available from KE5FX website.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ


On Aug 21, 2014, at 11:02 AM, David Anderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A couple of ham designs, which you can buy, not cheap, but good quality.
>
> http://rudius.net/oz2m/ngnb/gps.htm
>
> http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm
>
> Some more ideas:
>
> http://www.g4jnt.com/freqlock.htm
>
> 73
>
> David Anderson GM4JJJ
>
>> On 21 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Slava Baytalskiy <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Count me in!
>> Ever since i got that REF board - i've been looking for that elusive Trimble unit.
>> People had told me that eBay is full of them for like $70.
>> Yeah, right! Maybe 10 years ago...
>> Now, they're about $200-300 depending on power supply availability, and you can't even find them...
>> So, yeah, i want this board to work!
>> __________________
>> Slava (Sal) B, W2RMS
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:48 AM, John Lawrence via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> The Trimble Thunderbolt is scarce on the used market and when they appear the price is painful.  They were designed and manufactured for the BB wireless and cellular market when the industry switched from analog to digital synchronized cell sites.  I was part of that out business.  
>>>
>>>
>>> We need a compatible module that will work with the Elecraft products.  Today there are chips that reduce to complexity and price that would make it possible to have a product that will reach the Elecraft user base of customers.  
>>>
>>>
>>> John, W1QS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not that I had a "need" but I did instal the K3EXREF with a Trimble Thunderbolt
>>> GPSDO. So I have the 10MHZ reference available.
>>>
>>> I also have no present "need" for the XV144 & XV432 to be locked to that
>>> external reference. However were a kit available to do it I would purchase the
>>> kit/accessory to do so.
>>>
>>> i would like to see it as a product.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Bob
>>> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

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The newer Trimble Thunderbolt requires +24VDC, but some of the
older units on E-Bay, etc. may require +5VDC, +12VDC and -12VDC,
which can be obtained from a simple/inexpensive power supply.
(I used a Meanwell NET-35B). It outputs a 10MHz sine wave (which
plugs into the K3EXREF) as well as 1pps logic signal. Trimble also
makes/made an active antenna, which I also found on E-Bay, which
is a small square about 2 in/5 cm square and has an internal preamp
powered by +5V supplied on the Thunderbolt's antenna jack. I've
been running one for about a year now, and it maintains the 10MHz
to within about 30 parts per trillion, depending on how many satellites
are regularly visible - I usually "see" 8 or 9 in south Florida and 5-6
in the mountains of western North Carolina.
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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

k6dgw
How do you know that?

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 8/21/2014 11:27 AM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft wrote:

> I've
> been running one for about a year now, and it maintains the 10MHz
> to within about 30 parts per trillion, depending on how many satellites
> are regularly visible

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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

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Everything you need to know for setting up a surplus OCXO:
http://www.kl7uw.com/10MHzREF.jpg
one caveat the power cube was a mistake as it output a 0.5v
triangular wave at 120-Hz riding on the 12vdc output -not good.  So
use a well filtered-regulated 12v PS instead (battery optional).
http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
for details
Big heat sink is for the Rubidium standard and not needed for the OCXO.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     [hidden email]

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Double Oven OCXO

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Thanks to David, G4DMP and Ed, KL7UW for valuable information.

Now, shall I press BUY on Ebay for the Morion MV89a or not ....
Sverre, LA3ZA

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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

John Bohnovic
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Is anyone beside me having a problem connecting to either of the two URLs
that Ed lists below? I connected to the first one just fine but when I tried
to connect to the Rubidium.htm page I was blocked and the I couldn't even
connect to www.kl7uw.com. I'm wondering if I have a problem here or at Ed's
end.

John / K4WJ ex KN8PXG K8PXG K8WJ ZF2HZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Edward
R Cole
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:25 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3
and XV transverters

Everything you need to know for setting up a surplus OCXO:
http://www.kl7uw.com/10MHzREF.jpg
one caveat the power cube was a mistake as it output a 0.5v triangular wave
at 120-Hz riding on the 12vdc output -not good.  So use a well
filtered-regulated 12v PS instead (battery optional).
http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
for details
Big heat sink is for the Rubidium standard and not needed for the OCXO.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     [hidden email]

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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

Matt Zilmer-3
John,

I take it all back.  There's a script running on the KL7UW page that
simulates some type of ransomware.  It's not very pretty.

The script takes a few second to kick in.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:08:06 -0700, you wrote:

>Might be your side of the connection.  Didn't have trouble here with
>any of the URLs.
>
>73,
>matt W6NIA
>
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:51:36 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>Is anyone beside me having a problem connecting to either of the two URLs
>>that Ed lists below? I connected to the first one just fine but when I tried
>>to connect to the Rubidium.htm page I was blocked and the I couldn't even
>>connect to www.kl7uw.com. I'm wondering if I have a problem here or at Ed's
>>end.
>>
>>John / K4WJ ex KN8PXG K8PXG K8WJ ZF2HZ
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Edward
>>R Cole
>>Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:25 PM
>>To: [hidden email]
>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3
>>and XV transverters
>>
>>Everything you need to know for setting up a surplus OCXO:
>>http://www.kl7uw.com/10MHzREF.jpg
>>one caveat the power cube was a mistake as it output a 0.5v triangular wave
>>at 120-Hz riding on the 12vdc output -not good.  So use a well
>>filtered-regulated 12v PS instead (battery optional).
>>http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
>>for details
>>Big heat sink is for the Rubidium standard and not needed for the OCXO.
>>
>>73, Ed - KL7UW
>>http://www.kl7uw.com
>>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
>>Dubus Mag business:
>>     [hidden email]
>>
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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

Sebastian, W4AS
It does look as though KL7UW’s page has been hijacked.  

Please make sure if you reply to this thread, that the links are NOT included.

73 de Sebastian, W4AS




> On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Matt Zilmer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I take it all back.  There's a script running on the KL7UW page that
> simulates some type of ransomware.  It's not very pretty.
>
> The script takes a few second to kick in.
>
> 73,
> matt W6NIA

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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

Raymond Sills
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Indeed so.  Avoid that link at all costs.  Ed's page has been hacked.  
Sorry, Ed.  You need to get your ISP to purge your account.

73 de Ray
K2ULR

On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote:

> John,
>
> I take it all back.  There's a script running on the KL7UW page that
> simulates some type of ransomware.  It's not very pretty.
>
> The script takes a few second to kick in.
>
> 73,
> matt W6NIA
>
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:08:06 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> Might be your side of the connection.  Didn't have trouble here with
>> any of the URLs.
>>
>> 73,
>> matt W6NIA
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:51:36 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone beside me having a problem connecting to either of the  
>>> two URLs
>>> that Ed lists below? I connected to the first one just fine but  
>>> when I tried
>>> to connect to the Rubidium.htm page I was blocked and the I  
>>> couldn't even
>>> connect to www.kl7uw.com. I'm wondering if I have a problem here  
>>> or at Ed's
>>> end.
>>>
>>> John / K4WJ ex KN8PXG K8PXG K8WJ ZF2HZ
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf  
>>> Of Edward
>>> R Cole
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:25 PM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for  
>>> KX3, K3
>>> and XV transverters
>>>
>>> Everything you need to know for setting up a surplus OCXO:
>>> http://www.kl7uw.com/10MHzREF.jpg
>>> one caveat the power cube was a mistake as it output a 0.5v  
>>> triangular wave
>>> at 120-Hz riding on the 12vdc output -not good.  So use a well
>>> filtered-regulated 12v PS instead (battery optional).
>>> http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
>>> for details
>>> Big heat sink is for the Rubidium standard and not needed for the  
>>> OCXO.
>>>
>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>>    "Kits made by KL7UW"
>>> Dubus Mag business:
>>>    [hidden email]
>>>
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Re: Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

Raymond Sills
At least, by "force quit" I can exit, and relaunch Safari.  Looks like  
my browser is operating OK.  I have others to use anyway.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Ray Sills wrote:

> Indeed so.  Avoid that link at all costs.  Ed's page has been  
> hacked.  Sorry, Ed.  You need to get your ISP to purge your account.
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
>
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I take it all back.  There's a script running on the KL7UW page that
>> simulates some type of ransomware.  It's not very pretty.
>>
>> The script takes a few second to kick in.
>>
>> 73,
>> matt W6NIA
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:08:06 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>> Might be your side of the connection.  Didn't have trouble here with
>>> any of the URLs.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> matt W6NIA
>>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:51:36 -0400, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is anyone beside me having a problem connecting to either of the  
>>>> two URLs
>>>> that Ed lists below? I connected to the first one just fine but  
>>>> when I tried
>>>> to connect to the Rubidium.htm page I was blocked and the I  
>>>> couldn't even
>>>> connect to www.kl7uw.com. I'm wondering if I have a problem here  
>>>> or at Ed's
>>>> end.
>>>>
>>>> John / K4WJ ex KN8PXG K8PXG K8WJ ZF2HZ
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On  
>>>> Behalf Of Edward
>>>> R Cole
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:25 PM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock  
>>>> for KX3, K3
>>>> and XV transverters
>>>>
>>>> Everything you need to know for setting up a surplus OCXO:
>>>> http://www.kl7uw.com/10MHzREF.jpg
>>>> one caveat the power cube was a mistake as it output a 0.5v  
>>>> triangular wave
>>>> at 120-Hz riding on the 12vdc output -not good.  So use a well
>>>> filtered-regulated 12v PS instead (battery optional).
>>>> http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
>>>> for details
>>>> Big heat sink is for the Rubidium standard and not needed for the  
>>>> OCXO.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>>>   "Kits made by KL7UW"
>>>> Dubus Mag business:
>>>>   [hidden email]
>>>>
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