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Wp4cw

Take the plung!

I like to hear /QRP after the callsign. As a ham with a nice hobby I make special effort to work them. Ted
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Guy, K2AV

Re: Take the plung!

That's until they are really weak and wasting precious QSB peaks with /QRP,
or they are really really weak and they are sending RP6AN/QRP and I'm
copying P6NQ?/R.

In a contest, I don't need the weak ones to tell me they are weak or why, I
already know they are weak. I always will try very hard to work them, even
if the reason is awful, because maybe it's one that I work that the
competition can't.

Anyhow, if we are going to identify why someone is weak, shouldn't we
identify the other reasons?

R6ABC/WRONGANTENNA
K2XYZ/SH*TANTENNA
W2RST/NOODLEANTENNA
DL2ZZ/NOANTENNAONTHISCOAX
OK3QQQ/DUMMYLOAD
G3PQR/FORGOTTOCHANGEBANDONAMPANDIMBURNINGITUP

73, Guy

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:14 PM, wp4cw <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I like to hear /QRP after the callsign. As a ham with a nice hobby I make
> special effort to work them. Ted
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Jim Brown-10

Re: Take the plung!

On 1/30/2011 4:15 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> That's until they are really weak and wasting precious QSB peaks with /QRP,
> or they are really really weak and they are sending RP6AN/QRP and I'm
> copying P6NQ?/R.

YES!

BTW -- I was weak when we worked last night because I chose to run 100w,
in protest of CQWW scoring rules that give the east coast a 10:1
advantage over equivalent stations and operators located elsewhere. I
figure if I'm going to give east coast operators QSO points, they're
going to have to work for them. :)

73, Jim K9YC
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Jerry Muller

Re: Take the plung!

In reply to this post by Guy, K2AV

Don't get me wrong on this one. I'm primarily a contester. I TRY to run
rather than do S & P. When I'm running and there's a station calling me that
I'm pulling out of noise on my run frequency and they're signing XXnXXX/QRP
at 15 WPM, chances are there will be several stations calling QRL? on my
frequency before they even finish sending their callsign. I know I have to
immediately send R R R QRL PSE QSY or I'll find XY0LID calling CQ on my
frequency before I know it. When you call with your callsign a few times,
chances are better that I can pull your call out than if you send "/QRP"
with every call. Great if there's enough signal margin, a waste of
information bandwidth if there isn't enough margin.

It gives me great pleasure to work the QRP guys. In one of the more recent
SSB contests, there was an Italian guy running 500 mW who worked me (I think
it was 15 meters) who sent me a QSL card with a picture of his station (all
home brew BTW). I sent him back by email a recording of our QSO. He had a
good antenna and his signal was FB. I would never have guessed he was
running less than 1W. With a good antenna, you can more than make up for the
low power. When you're running a multi op contest station however QRP isn't
an option. Low power isn't a good option but some guys do it. I've done QRP
in the TBDC a few times but mostly I do low power in that contest. I've even
gotten a partial call out of a JA on 160 when running low power (that's no
mean feat from the East Coast). I envy the West Coast guys who run JAs on
160. I guess I'll just have to be satisfied with running EU instead :-)

I hope not too many of you guys called me this last weekend on 160 and I
couldn't hear you. I was using diversity RX with some pretty big beverages
on the SUB. There were more than a few times when I could tell someone was
calling but I couldn't pull out enough to get a QSO. Thanks to those who
kept trying.

I know one guy who considers the 1500 watt limit to be a LOWER LIMIT. When
he's running less than 1500 watts, he thinks of it as QRP. He's not a
contester though. All the serious contesters are strictly legal. Those who
aren't power legal aren't top tier guys even if they think they are.

Best 73,

Jerry - K0TV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Olinger K2AV" <[hidden email]>
To: "wp4cw" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Take the plung!

> That's until they are really weak and wasting precious QSB peaks with
> /QRP,
> or they are really really weak and they are sending RP6AN/QRP and I'm
> copying P6NQ?/R.
>
> In a contest, I don't need the weak ones to tell me they are weak or why,
> I
> already know they are weak. I always will try very hard to work them, even
> if the reason is awful, because maybe it's one that I work that the
> competition can't.
>
> Anyhow, if we are going to identify why someone is weak, shouldn't we
> identify the other reasons?
>
> R6ABC/WRONGANTENNA
> K2XYZ/SH*TANTENNA
> W2RST/NOODLEANTENNA
> DL2ZZ/NOANTENNAONTHISCOAX
> OK3QQQ/DUMMYLOAD
> G3PQR/FORGOTTOCHANGEBANDONAMPANDIMBURNINGITUP
>
> 73, Guy
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:14 PM, wp4cw <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I like to hear /QRP after the callsign. As a ham with a nice hobby I make
>> special effort to work them. Ted
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Bob K6UJ

Re: Take the plung!

In reply to this post by Guy, K2AV

Guy,
Very good, hihihi
(I can relate to the last one about the amp) :)

Bob
K6UJ

On Jan 30, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

> That's until they are really weak and wasting precious QSB peaks with /QRP,
> or they are really really weak and they are sending RP6AN/QRP and I'm
> copying P6NQ?/R.
>
> In a contest, I don't need the weak ones to tell me they are weak or why, I
> already know they are weak. I always will try very hard to work them, even
> if the reason is awful, because maybe it's one that I work that the
> competition can't.
>
> Anyhow, if we are going to identify why someone is weak, shouldn't we
> identify the other reasons?
>
> R6ABC/WRONGANTENNA
> K2XYZ/SH*TANTENNA
> W2RST/NOODLEANTENNA
> DL2ZZ/NOANTENNAONTHISCOAX
> OK3QQQ/DUMMYLOAD
> G3PQR/FORGOTTOCHANGEBANDONAMPANDIMBURNINGITUP
>
> 73, Guy
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:14 PM, wp4cw <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I like to hear /QRP after the callsign. As a ham with a nice hobby I make
>> special effort to work them. Ted
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g3ymc

Re: Take the plung!

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On 30 Jan 2011 at 21:52, Jerry Muller wrote:

> I hope not too many of you guys called me this last weekend on 160 and I
> couldn't hear you. I was using diversity RX with some pretty big
> beverages on the SUB. There were more than a few times when I could tell
> someone was calling but I couldn't pull out enough to get a QSO. Thanks
> to those who kept trying.
>

I see I have worked you 14 times over the years on various bands over
the years Gerry with my K2 at 5W and wire antennas. I do recall hearing
you briefly yesterday morning on 160m and called you, but working that
sort of distance in a Top Band contest with 5W into a 32ft vertical
over lousy ground is perhaps a little too optimistic... But 34 DXCC
including VY2ZM is not too bad a result.

229 countries from 28,000 QSOs on my K2 without sending /QRP once shows
that you don't need that 1500W to work the DX....

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com

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Nick Kennedy

Re: Take the plung!

I made about 380 Qs in the 160 meter test and worked some at the
superstition level, a couple I used the APF on, several who were no
doubt QRPers.

I never heard anyone sign /QRP. So this may be one of those things to
be indignant about that has little basis in reality.

If someone had signed /QRP, I wouldn't have felt greatly harmed. I
worked other stations who took longer than typical to work due to being
unfamiliar with contest procedures, etc. I was still happy to get 'em
into the log.

73/72-

Nick, WA5BDU
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k5oai

Re: Take the plung!

since I was running 100w from my K3
into an Hi-Q 6/160 @ 20' with 6% efficiency
so ERP was about 6w,
so I didn't feel qualified to go and add /QRP to my call
/me chuckles behind hand

and I also had a number of ESP level Q's listed
sure hope the ones I entered were real

but I did manage
158 Q's
358 points
45 multipliers
16110 total score
19:16 op time

could never have done it with out the
Excellence of Elecraft's mojo
although my K2 was rather sad that it missed the contest
I think it's developing K3 envy, sigh
sibling relation are getting tricky here in the shack

P.S.
Thanks to you Nick, I was finally able to get AR in the log,
never heard another the whole contest,
you were 7 Q's before I stopped,

I think all 3 RI stations I heard and tried to work
were both TX and RX into their dummy loads

GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 1/31/2011 12:37 PM, Nick-WA5BDU wrote:

Brendan Minish

Re: Take the plung!

In reply to this post by Nick Kennedy

I worked 2 stations signing /QPR during the contest

In both cases it took multiple repeats to get the full call and the
Contact would have been quicker for all concerned had they not sent /QRP
each time and just sent their call a few more times

In both cases I was happy to work them, after the first thousand fresh
QSO's are fairly slim pickings in the CQWW160m contest

Sometimes when I am feeling 'ratty' and someone insists of signing /QRP
on each over I respond by signing ei6iz/QRO

Over the years I have had many enjoyable QSO's with QRP stations, I hear
well here as I am in a rural location with fairly decent antennas and I
enjoy working other stations regardless of power level

I am happy to work QRP stations but signing /QRP is pointless and will
not make me more likely to expend effort digging you out of a pileup

On 31/01/2011 18:37, Nick-WA5BDU wrote:

> I made about 380 Qs in the 160 meter test and worked some at the
> superstition level, a couple I used the APF on, several who were no
> doubt QRPers.
>
> I never heard anyone sign /QRP. So this may be one of those things to
> be indignant about that has little basis in reality.
>
> If someone had signed /QRP, I wouldn't have felt greatly harmed. I
> worked other stations who took longer than typical to work due to being
> unfamiliar with contest procedures, etc. I was still happy to get 'em
> into the log.
>
> 73/72-
>
> Nick, WA5BDU
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Doug Turnbull

Re: Take the plung!

Brendan,
I agree with you entirely regarding the appendage /QRP. It is a pain
in the ass and I do not like needing to add it to my log. If I go QRP and
I am thinking of it the difference is that I have good antennas. Some less
fortunate hams are very limited in their antennas and operate higher power
levels to compensate. Maybe there should be another class called "QRP and
a hank of wire ten feet of the deck".

QRP is good but signing /QRP is not. QRP is a great area for Home
Brewing and wonderful for portable work. I am not anti-QRP but hate the
appendage! For that matter if I am going to be a real old man, I do not
care for special call signs that are artificially constructed.

73 Doug EI10000MORSE / EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brendan Minish
Sent: 31 January 2011 18:59
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Take the plung!

I worked 2 stations signing /QPR during the contest

In both cases it took multiple repeats to get the full call and the
Contact would have been quicker for all concerned had they not sent /QRP
each time and just sent their call a few more times

In both cases I was happy to work them, after the first thousand fresh
QSO's are fairly slim pickings in the CQWW160m contest

Sometimes when I am feeling 'ratty' and someone insists of signing /QRP
on each over I respond by signing ei6iz/QRO

Over the years I have had many enjoyable QSO's with QRP stations, I hear
well here as I am in a rural location with fairly decent antennas and I
enjoy working other stations regardless of power level

I am happy to work QRP stations but signing /QRP is pointless and will
not make me more likely to expend effort digging you out of a pileup

On 31/01/2011 18:37, Nick-WA5BDU wrote:

--
73
Brendan EI6IZ
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Take the plung! [END of Thread]

Administrator

Folks - Let's end this thread.

Signing /QRP has been in use by many, and debated by many, for an
eternity. No need to take it too seriously. :-)

In any case, please take the /QRP discussion off list.

73, Eric WA6HHQ
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On 1/31/2011 12:07 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Brendan,
> I agree with you entirely regarding the appendage /QRP.<snip>
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Jerry Muller

Re: Take the plung!

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Doug,

I couldn't have said it better myself. QRP is good, signing "/QRP" waists
information bandwidth.

Also when it ends up either in or not in my log and the Qs are uploaded to
eQSL, the callsigns don't match and I have to manually generate a QSL (which
I do gladly). It does have to be manual after all.

Right now I have about 130K QSOs on eQSL. I don't chase their awards but
every QSO I have is uploaded for those who do.

BTW, both you and Brendan are in my log this weekend. Thanks for the 10
pointers. Hope I wasn't too difficult to copy. My station: K3, homebrew
autotune 8877 amp(s), off-center fed dipole at 30 meters, 200 meter long
beverages in six directions.

73 and have a pint for me, I'll have one for you!

Jerry - K0TV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Turnbull" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Brendan Minish'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Take the plung!

> Brendan,
> I agree with you entirely regarding the appendage /QRP. It is a pain
> in the ass and I do not like needing to add it to my log. If I go QRP
> and
> I am thinking of it the difference is that I have good antennas. Some
> less
> fortunate hams are very limited in their antennas and operate higher power
> levels to compensate. Maybe there should be another class called "QRP
> and
> a hank of wire ten feet of the deck".
>
> QRP is good but signing /QRP is not. QRP is a great area for Home
> Brewing and wonderful for portable work. I am not anti-QRP but hate the
> appendage! For that matter if I am going to be a real old man, I do not
> care for special call signs that are artificially constructed.
>
> 73 Doug EI10000MORSE / EI2CN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brendan Minish
> Sent: 31 January 2011 18:59
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Take the plung!
>
> I worked 2 stations signing /QPR during the contest
>
> In both cases it took multiple repeats to get the full call and the
> Contact would have been quicker for all concerned had they not sent /QRP
> each time and just sent their call a few more times
>
> In both cases I was happy to work them, after the first thousand fresh
> QSO's are fairly slim pickings in the CQWW160m contest
>
> Sometimes when I am feeling 'ratty' and someone insists of signing /QRP
> on each over I respond by signing ei6iz/QRO
>
> Over the years I have had many enjoyable QSO's with QRP stations, I hear
> well here as I am in a rural location with fairly decent antennas and I
> enjoy working other stations regardless of power level
>
> I am happy to work QRP stations but signing /QRP is pointless and will
> not make me more likely to expend effort digging you out of a pileup
>
>
> On 31/01/2011 18:37, Nick-WA5BDU wrote:
>> I made about 380 Qs in the 160 meter test and worked some at the
>> superstition level, a couple I used the APF on, several who were no
>> doubt QRPers.
>>
>> I never heard anyone sign /QRP. So this may be one of those things to
>> be indignant about that has little basis in reality.
>>
>> If someone had signed /QRP, I wouldn't have felt greatly harmed. I
>> worked other stations who took longer than typical to work due to being
>> unfamiliar with contest procedures, etc. I was still happy to get 'em
>> into the log.
>>
>> 73/72-
>>
>> Nick, WA5BDU
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>
> --
> 73
> Brendan EI6IZ
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