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NK7Z

This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of chips...

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/

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Mark Goldberg

Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time, it
is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to ship
rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.

Regards,

Mark

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of chips...
>
>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>
> --
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wayne burdick

Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in advance on most parts and assemblies.

Wayne
N6KR

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time, it
> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to ship
> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of chips...
>>
>>
>> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>>
>> --
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
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wa6vab

Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

Ian, NV4C

Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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Wayne,

I hope that stock-up includes the two K3 - K3S upgrade boards I ordered
yesterday! :-)

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 2:41 PM Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in advance
> on most parts and assemblies.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time, it
> > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
> > working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
> > orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to ship
> > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
> chips...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
> >>
> >> --
> >> 73, and thanks,
> >> Dave (NK7Z)
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wayne burdick

Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.

Wayne

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> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Wayne.
> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
> Ray WA6VAB K3
>
> From: Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
> To: Mark Goldberg
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the world
>
> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in advance on most parts and assemblies.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time, it
> > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
> > working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
> > orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to ship
> > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of chips...
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
> >>
> >> --
> >> 73, and thanks,
> >> Dave (NK7Z)
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Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them till November.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.

Wayne

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Gary Memory

Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

It isn't just IC's. I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
September. We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
long haul?

Gary N7BRJ

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
> till November.
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>
> Wayne
>
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>
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Wayne.
> > I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
> > The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
> > Ray WA6VAB K3
> >
> > From: Wayne Burdick
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
> > To: Mark Goldberg
> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
> the world
> >
> > Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
> advance on most parts and assemblies.
> >
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
> it
> > > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
> > > working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
> > > orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
> ship
> > > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
> chips...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> 73, and thanks,
> > >> Dave (NK7Z)
> > >> https://www.nk7z.net
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
production. Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
the rest of the world. Then don't forget that there are not enough
shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.

International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.

It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
even consumer staples. The trend will only get worse if the current
administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
by 50%.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:

> It isn't just IC's. I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
> September. We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
> long haul?
>
> Gary N7BRJ
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
>> till November.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> ----
>> elecraft.com
>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Wayne.
>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>> Ray WA6VAB K3
>>>
>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>> the world
>>>
>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
>> it
>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>> ship
>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>> chips...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

AB2E Darrell

Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

Joe and the group,
A company I used to do business with had a nickname for JIT supplying..... SOL. They actually had it printed on a card JIT=SOL.

73
Darrell AB2E

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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on behalf of Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 5:27 PM
To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
production. Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
the rest of the world. Then don't forget that there are not enough
shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.

International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.

It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
even consumer staples. The trend will only get worse if the current
administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
by 50%.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:

> It isn't just IC's. I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
> September. We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
> long haul?
>
> Gary N7BRJ
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
>> till November.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> ----
>> elecraft.com
>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Wayne.
>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>> Ray WA6VAB K3
>>>
>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>> the world
>>>
>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
>> it
>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>> ship
>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>> chips...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opb.org%2Farticle%2F2021%2F04%2F29%2Fit-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FJjpt0I3UZlGzvFZSS%2F%2BkzkEBHYIwOisa4m8nwu4iL8%3D&reserved=0
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>>>>> --
>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
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Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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Surface mount capacitors are also in very short supply.About a month ago PCB laminate was also difficult to get. Not sure if that is still accurate.One problem fueling the shortages is panic buying. Manufacturers placing orders far above what demand is...." just in case".73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Gary Memory <[hidden email]> Date: 4/29/21 5:13 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
world It isn't just IC's. I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time intoSeptember. We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for along haul?Gary N7BRJOn Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <[hidden email]>wrote:> Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them> till November.>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <> [hidden email]> wrote:>> Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.>> Wayne>> ----> elecraft.com>> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <[hidden email]> wrote:> >> > > > Hi Wayne.> > I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.> > The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.> > Ray WA6VAB K3> >> > From: Wayne Burdick> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM> > To: Mark Goldberg> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of> the world> >> > Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in> advance on most parts and assemblies.> >> > Wayne> > N6KR> >> >> >> >> > > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>> wrote:> > >> > > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,> it> > > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am> > > working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple> > > orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to> ship> > > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Mark> > >> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:> > >> > >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of> chips...> > >>> > >>> > >>> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/> > >>> > >> --> > >> 73, and thanks,> > >> Dave (NK7Z)> > >> https://www.nk7z.net> > >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner> > >> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI> > >> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources> > >> ______________________________________________________________> > >> Elecraft mailing list> > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > >> Post: mailto:[hidden email]> > >>> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > >> Message delivered to [hidden email]> > >>> > > ______________________________________________________________> > > Elecraft mailing list> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > > Post: mailto:[hidden email]> > >> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > > Message delivered to [hidden email]> >> > ______________________________________________________________> > Elecraft mailing list> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > Post: mailto:[hidden email]> >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > Message delivered to [hidden email]> >> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:[hidden email]>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to [hidden email]> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:[hidden email]>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to radiomemory@gmail.com______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email]
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Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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JIT is a great low cost, effective system as long as it works. It did
for a while.

But the real issue we refuse to face is to listen to Lenin who had been
quoted "The Capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him."

And that is what happening, don't blame Communist China, No Far East
power forced American businessman to "out source" production, only self
imposed force applied is greed. No loyalty to employees or to the best
interest of the U.S. is considered in business decisions, only PROFIT..

73, Lou KE1F ..-END....

On 4/29/2021 21:34, AB2E Darrell wrote:

> Joe and the group,
> A company I used to do business with had a nickname for JIT supplying..... SOL. They actually had it printed on a card JIT=SOL.
>
> 73
> Darrell AB2E
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on behalf of Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 5:27 PM
> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the world
>
>
> Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
> production. Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
> makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
> the rest of the world. Then don't forget that there are not enough
> shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.
>
> International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
> manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
> lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.
>
> It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
> even consumer staples. The trend will only get worse if the current
> administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
> by 50%.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
>> It isn't just IC's. I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
>> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
>> September. We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
>> long haul?
>>
>> Gary N7BRJ
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
>>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
>>> till November.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> ----
>>> elecraft.com
>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Wayne.
>>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>>> Ray WA6VAB K3
>>>>
>>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>>> the world
>>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
>>> it
>>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
>>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
>>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>>> ship
>>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>>> chips...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opb.org%2Farticle%2F2021%2F04%2F29%2Fit-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FJjpt0I3UZlGzvFZSS%2F%2BkzkEBHYIwOisa4m8nwu4iL8%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nk7z.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=iohuoLVKCMX6%2FgHbjNXbMTGTVmk9K4xvDZehILkAY%2FQ%3D&reserved=0
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Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

Elecraft group seems to be an exception. Perhaps ther are a few others.

&3, Lou KE1F

On 4/29/2021 22:06, Lou Mecseri wrote:

> JIT is a great low cost, effective system as long as it works. It did
> for a while.
>
> But the real issue we refuse to face is to listen to Lenin who had
> been quoted "The Capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him."
>
> And that is what happening, don't blame Communist China, No Far East
> power forced American businessman to "out source" production, only
> self imposed force applied is greed. No loyalty to employees or to
> the best interest of the U.S. is considered in business decisions,
> only PROFIT..
>
> 73, Lou KE1F   ..-END....
>
> On 4/29/2021 21:34, AB2E Darrell wrote:
>> Joe and the group,
>> A company I used to do business with had a nickname for JIT
>> supplying..... SOL. They actually had it printed on a card JIT=SOL.
>>
>> 73
>> Darrell AB2E
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: [hidden email]
>> <[hidden email]> on behalf of Joe Subich, W4TV
>> <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 5:27 PM
>> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>> the world
>>
>>
>> Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
>> production. Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
>> makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
>> the rest of the world. Then don't forget that there are not enough
>> shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.
>>
>> International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
>> manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
>> lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.
>>
>> It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
>> even consumer staples. The trend will only get worse if the current
>> administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
>> by 50%.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>      ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
>>> It isn't just IC's. I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days
>>> ago.
>>> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
>>> September. We live in a different world, at least temporarily if
>>> not for a
>>> long haul?
>>>
>>> Gary N7BRJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft
>>> <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>    Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing
>>>> chips for
>>>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need
>>>> them
>>>> till November.
>>>>
>>>>       On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> elecraft.com
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Wayne.
>>>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>>>> Ray WA6VAB K3
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>>>> the world
>>>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>>>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>> N6KR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg
>>>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a
>>>>>> time,
>>>> it
>>>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the
>>>>>> company I am
>>>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for
>>>>>> simple
>>>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>>>> ship
>>>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>>>> chips...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opb.org%2Farticle%2F2021%2F04%2F29%2Fit-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FJjpt0I3UZlGzvFZSS%2F%2BkzkEBHYIwOisa4m8nwu4iL8%3D&reserved=0
>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nk7z.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=iohuoLVKCMX6%2FgHbjNXbMTGTVmk9K4xvDZehILkAY%2FQ%3D&reserved=0
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Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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So sorry, but this pandemic and all the supply issues fit nicely into an economic war, not just a firearms war. The economic war has only just begun which I had guessed would happen just after the Japanese, then the S. Koreans now the Chinese. This is a cultural war destined to get the US into their stronghold. But the Japanese and Koreans are now in our arena?

I hope the chips and high tech will move back to US like the good old days. Too bad for our US companies to be too slow to react, or the government taxes and labor practices to remove our own manufacturing. If we had chips here, Elecraft, maybe others, perhaps could get parts?

Bill
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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gary Memory
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 4:12 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

It isn't just IC's. I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into September. We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a long haul?

Gary N7BRJ

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips
> for the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't
> need them till November.
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>
> Wayne
>
> ----
> elecraft.com
>
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Wayne.
> > I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
> > The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
> > Ray WA6VAB K3
> >
> > From: Wayne Burdick
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
> > To: Mark Goldberg
> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users
> > of
> the world
> >
> > Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
> advance on most parts and assemblies.
> >
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg
> > > <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a
> > > time,
> it
> > > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company
> > > I am working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even
> > > for simple orders from distributors of in stock parts they are
> > > taking a week to
> ship
> > > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
> chips...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-ma
> cs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
> > >>
> > >> --
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Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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I'm staying out of the politics. But clearly it'll be a banner year for the hat, T-shirt, and coffee mug makers of the world. No silicon.

Wayne
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> On Apr 29, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Bill Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So sorry, but this pandemic and all the supply issues fit nicely into an economic war, not just a firearms war. The economic war has only just begun which I had guessed would happen just after the Japanese, then the S. Koreans now the Chinese. This is a cultural war destined to get the US into their stronghold. But the Japanese and Koreans are now in our arena?
>
> I hope the chips and high tech will move back to US like the good old days. Too bad for our US companies to be too slow to react, or the government taxes and labor practices to remove our own manufacturing. If we had chips here, Elecraft, maybe others, perhaps could get parts?
>
> Bill
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Amazon has 50 piece NE555 for $5.39 ready to ship, two day delivery

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
> production. Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
> makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
> the rest of the world. Then don't forget that there are not enough
> shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.
>
> International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
> manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
> lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.
>
> It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
> even consumer staples. The trend will only get worse if the current
> administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
> by 50%.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>> On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
>> It isn't just IC's. I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
>> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
>> September. We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
>> long haul?
>> Gary N7BRJ
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>> Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
>>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
>>> till November.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> ----
>>> elecraft.com
>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Wayne.
>>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>>> Ray WA6VAB K3
>>>>
>>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>>> the world
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
>>> it
>>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
>>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
>>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>>> ship
>>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>>> chips...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>>>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>>>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>>>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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[TOPIC CLOSED}

Folks we are way off topic for the Elecraft list and this is also exceeding
the regular off topic limits. Please end the thread at this time.

73,
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On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:31 PM Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft <
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> Amazon has 50 piece NE555 for $5.39 ready to ship, two day delivery
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Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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Staring out at the LA seashore, I see scads of ships waiting to offload in numbers I’ve never seen before. Whatever the legitimate reason for that bottleneck, it must compound the delay of possibly scarce items including commodity ICs.

I think we only have one silicon foundry stateside in AZ and I think run by Intel. A stunning amount of critical chips are made in Taiwan which seems to be the object of desire for a neighbor to its right.

While government involvement through policy or incentives is a spirited topic to discuss, I think the EU has invested a lot more money in trying to have more foundries than we have. Leaving things to market forces has unintended consequences.

I can now finally justify my unbuilt Elecraft kit collection under the guise of anticipating a global shortage.

Paul
W6PNG

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Amazon has 50 piece NE555 for $5.39 ready to ship, two day delivery
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
>> production. Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
>> makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
>> the rest of the world. Then don't forget that there are not enough
>> shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.
>>
>> International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
>> manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
>> lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.
>>
>> It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
>> even consumer staples. The trend will only get worse if the current
>> administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
>> by 50%.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>>> On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
>>> It isn't just IC's. I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
>>> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
>>> September. We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
>>> long haul?
>>> Gary N7BRJ
>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
>>>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
>>>> till November.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> elecraft.com
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Wayne.
>>>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>>>> Ray WA6VAB K3
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>>>> the world
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>>>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>> N6KR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
>>>> it
>>>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
>>>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
>>>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>>>> ship
>>>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>>>> chips...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>>>>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>>>>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>>>>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
>>
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Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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This has been a problem on and off for at least five years.

It is somewhat worse now than it has been recently, but it is more of the
same.

I had to design out the uC on Google Glass Enterprise Edition 2 (EE2) in
2018 the week before we were supposed to gerber out for our proto build.
I found 1000 pieces of a suitable alternative *in stock* at Digikey that I
immediately bought on my credit card that would carry us through proto and
EVT, and our GSM simultaneously secured an allocation from the supplier
for what we needed production.

73 de Ai6KG
-- Christopher.

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W3FLH

Re: This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

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Joe and the group,
A company I used to do business with had a nickname for JIT supplying.....
SOL. They actually had it printed on a card JIT=SOL.

73
Darrell AB2E

To chime in on "JIT" philosophy - we have a name for it, too: Just Isn't
There.

It leaves no "wiggle-room" if there are any changes in production - you're
dead in the water.

Tony W3FLH

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