Thoughts on additional K3 feature

[Doug Person]

One thing I would like to see is a way to send text to the K3 that is
then sent as PSK31.  Currently you can do this by sending morse with a
key.  But, being able to send text directly through the serial port
would allow simple keyboard operation from a terminal program.

Doug -- K0DXV
K2/100 #5837, K3/100 #77
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[M0XDF]

I think Elecraft have a keyboard planned for the future - there is a k/b
port on the bottom
So maybe typing direct on a k/b connected to the K3 :-)


On 28/11/07 16:36, "Doug Person" <[hidden email]> sent:

> One thing I would like to see is a way to send text to the K3 that is
> then sent as PSK31.  Currently you can do this by sending morse with a
> key.  But, being able to send text directly through the serial port
> would allow simple keyboard operation from a terminal program.
>
> Doug -- K0DXV
> K2/100 #5837, K3/100 #77
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[Doug Person]

Too bad they didn't use the same standard mini-din used on virtually all
pc keyboards.

Doug -- K0DXV
K2/100 #5837, K3/100 #77



David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

> I think Elecraft have a keyboard planned for the future - there is a k/b
> port on the bottom
> So maybe typing direct on a k/b connected to the K3 :-)
>
>
> On 28/11/07 16:36, "Doug Person" <[hidden email]> sent:
>
>  
>> One thing I would like to see is a way to send text to the K3 that is
>> then sent as PSK31.  Currently you can do this by sending morse with a
>> key.  But, being able to send text directly through the serial port
>> would allow simple keyboard operation from a terminal program.
>>
>> Doug -- K0DXV
>> K2/100 #5837, K3/100 #77
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[Greg - AB7R]

Please do NOT attempt to connect a keyboard directly to the K3.  Right now that port is ONLY for the boot loader.  

This port may be available for a keyboard in the future, but not now.

-------------------------
73,
Greg - AB7R
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NA-065
K3#0009

On Wed Nov 28 11:43 , "David Ferrington, M0XDF"  sent:

>I think Elecraft have a keyboard planned for the future - there is a k/b
>port on the bottom
>So maybe typing direct on a k/b connected to the K3 :-)
>
>
>On 28/11/07 16:36, "Doug Person" [hidden email]> sent:
>
>> One thing I would like to see is a way to send text to the K3 that is
>> then sent as PSK31.  Currently you can do this by sending morse with a
>> key.  But, being able to send text directly through the serial port
>> would allow simple keyboard operation from a terminal program.
>>
>> Doug -- K0DXV
>> K2/100 #5837, K3/100 #77
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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Hi Doug,

The connector on the bottom of the K3 front panel is not a keyboard
connector. It is a used during manufacture for initial programming of
the K3 processor boot code.

It could possibly used for general I/O, but nothing is designed at this
time. Anything hooked up to this connector is speculation at this point. :-)

We -do- plan to allow users to use the 'KY' serial command to send text
to the K3's PSK encoder in a future K3 f/w release.

73, Eric   WA6HHQ

_..._

Doug Person wrote:

> Too bad they didn't use the same standard mini-din used on virtually
> all pc keyboards.
> ----
> David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>> I think Elecraft have a keyboard planned for the future - there is a k/b
>> port on the bottom
>> So maybe typing direct on a k/b connected to the K3 :-)
>>
>> On 28/11/07 16:36, "Doug Person" <[hidden email]> sent:
>>
>>> One thing I would like to see is a way to send text to the K3 that is
>>> then sent as PSK31.  Currently you can do this by sending morse with a
>>> key.  But, being able to send text directly through the serial port
>>> would allow simple keyboard operation from a terminal program.
>

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[M0XDF]

That's mini din is a PS2 std and the K3 probably doesn't have a PS2
interface
Plus with this way, they could provide other peripherals



On 28/11/07 16:56, "Doug Person" <[hidden email]> sent:

> Too bad they didn't use the same standard mini-din used on virtually all
> pc keyboards.
>
> Doug -- K0DXV
> K2/100 #5837, K3/100 #77
>
>
>
> David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>> I think Elecraft have a keyboard planned for the future - there is a k/b
>> port on the bottom
>> So maybe typing direct on a k/b connected to the K3 :-)
>>
>>
>> On 28/11/07 16:36, "Doug Person" <[hidden email]> sent:
>>
>>  
>>> One thing I would like to see is a way to send text to the K3 that is
>>> then sent as PSK31.  Currently you can do this by sending morse with a
>>> key.  But, being able to send text directly through the serial port
>>> would allow simple keyboard operation from a terminal program.
>>>
>>> Doug -- K0DXV
>>> K2/100 #5837, K3/100 #77
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[M0XDF]

Sorry everyone - I stand corrected, it's not a k/b port - although I swear
there was a mail back in May saying it was - perhaps I mistook, could be,
for is :-)

Avoid "ole in't bottom " - like the plague!


On 28/11/07 17:04, "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ Elecraft" <[hidden email]> sent:

> Hi Doug,
>
> The connector on the bottom of the K3 front panel is not a keyboard
> connector. It is a used during manufacture for initial programming of
> the K3 processor boot code.
>
> It could possibly used for general I/O, but nothing is designed at this
> time. Anything hooked up to this connector is speculation at this point. :-)
>
> We -do- plan to allow users to use the 'KY' serial command to send text
> to the K3's PSK encoder in a future K3 f/w release.
>
> 73, Eric   WA6HHQ
>
> _..._
>
> Doug Person wrote:
>> Too bad they didn't use the same standard mini-din used on virtually
>> all pc keyboards.
>> ----
>> David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>>> I think Elecraft have a keyboard planned for the future - there is a k/b
>>> port on the bottom
>>> So maybe typing direct on a k/b connected to the K3 :-)
>>>
>>> On 28/11/07 16:36, "Doug Person" <[hidden email]> sent:
>>>
>>>> One thing I would like to see is a way to send text to the K3 that is
>>>> then sent as PSK31.  Currently you can do this by sending morse with a
>>>> key.  But, being able to send text directly through the serial port
>>>> would allow simple keyboard operation from a terminal program.
>>
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[Julian, G4ILO]

On Nov 28, 2007 4:36 PM, Doug Person <[hidden email]> wrote:
> One thing I would like to see is a way to send text to the K3 that is
> then sent as PSK31.  Currently you can do this by sending morse with a
> key.  But, being able to send text directly through the serial port
> would allow simple keyboard operation from a terminal program.
>

I thought this was possible using the KY command. You can send CW
using this command, via the serial port even with the K2. Of course,
it would not be very convenient having to type KY commands from the
keyboard instead of just plain text, so a terminal program might not
be the best way to do it.

The KIO3 Programmers Reference manual isn't clear, but it looks as if
you should be able to generate PSK31 or RTTY using the same KY
command, with the radio set to that mode.

In fact, that is really the point of my new program KCommunicate which
I have literally just this minute made available for the first public
upload at http://www.g4ilo.com/kcommunicate.html . With the K3
supporting this facility you could send and receive CW, RTTY or PSK
using nothing but a three wire serial cable between the computer and
the K3. No sound card needed.

For the time being it works with the K2 using the PSK Core DLL to do
sound card PSK31 encoding/decoding. It's also quite good for logging
and CW as well. I made 175 contacts over the weekend in the CQ WW
contest with it. So I will be interested to hear what anyone who tries
it thinks. Especially anyone who tries it with a K3, which is supposed
to use the same K2 commands.
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[Doug Person]

Eric,
Thanks for explaining that. I think being able to send text directly
will be a very worthwhile feature.  It would be an interesting project
then to create a simple keyboard-to-serial controller to allow PSK
operation without the need for a pc.

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ Elecraft wrote:

> Hi Doug,
>
> The connector on the bottom of the K3 front panel is not a keyboard
> connector. It is a used during manufacture for initial programming of
> the K3 processor boot code.
>
> It could possibly used for general I/O, but nothing is designed at
> this time. Anything hooked up to this connector is speculation at this
> point. :-)
>
> We -do- plan to allow users to use the 'KY' serial command to send
> text to the K3's PSK encoder in a future K3 f/w release.
>
> 73, Eric   WA6HHQ
>
> _..._
>
> Doug Person wrote:
>> Too bad they didn't use the same standard mini-din used on virtually
>> all pc keyboards.
>> ----
>> David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>>> I think Elecraft have a keyboard planned for the future - there is a
>>> k/b
>>> port on the bottom
>>> So maybe typing direct on a k/b connected to the K3 :-)
>>>
>>> On 28/11/07 16:36, "Doug Person" <[hidden email]> sent:
>>>
>>>> One thing I would like to see is a way to send text to the K3 that is
>>>> then sent as PSK31.  Currently you can do this by sending morse with a
>>>> key.  But, being able to send text directly through the serial port
>>>> would allow simple keyboard operation from a terminal program.
>>
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[Julian, G4ILO]

On Nov 28, 2007 5:04 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ Elecraft
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> We -do- plan to allow users to use the 'KY' serial command to send text
> to the K3's PSK encoder in a future K3 f/w release.

Do you also plan to have a command that would allow software to poll
for packets of decoded text, instead of having it come out the serial
port as an unstructured stream as the TT command now does?

I don't know if Simon has any success at separating out commands
giving status information from the decoded text stream - if he even
intended to try doing that - but it seemed to me that would be pretty
difficult.
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[Simon (HB9DRV)]

I would want to poll for the data, anything else would be problematic to put
it mildly.

To be honest I doubt that I'll use the built-in PSK / RTTY engines - I'm
more in favour of software such as Digipan etc.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian G4ILO" <[hidden email]>
>
> I don't know if Simon has any success at separating out commands
> giving status information from the decoded text stream - if he even
> intended to try doing that - but it seemed to me that would be pretty
> difficult.
>

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[Julian, G4ILO]

On Nov 28, 2007 5:53 PM, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I would want to poll for the data, anything else would be problematic to put
> it mildly.
>
> To be honest I doubt that I'll use the built-in PSK / RTTY engines - I'm
> more in favour of software such as Digipan etc.
>

I've already got MixW for that. The ham community probably doesn't
need yet another sound card digimode program. But one that can do
digimodes without a sound card would be unique to Elecraft, I think.

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[KK7P]

> ... But one that can do
> digimodes without a sound card would be unique to Elecraft, I think.

I could use it with my Acorn A4 laptop or my RISC PC, assuming you write
this in BBC BASIC!

73,

Lyle KK7P

PS -  Note that BBC BASIC <URLhttp://www.bbcbasic.co.uk/bbcbasic.html >
is a multiplatform/multi-OS language, that runs on ARM, x86, Z80, and
6502 processors, and under Mac OSX, Amiga, DOS, WinCE, Win 3.1, Wiun 95,
WIn 98  all the way to Vista, Linux, BSD...

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[Julian, G4ILO]

On Nov 28, 2007 9:55 PM, Lyle Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I could use it with my Acorn A4 laptop or my RISC PC, assuming you write
> this in BBC BASIC!
>

Sorry, I'm a Pascal man.

Lazarus is based on Free Pascal. It can create code for a lot of
current platforms, the main issue is the UI libraries which have not
been fully implemented on most of them. The best supported are Windows
and Linux. Mac OS and Pocket PCs (ARM processors) are also usable,
apparently

My UI would need some redesign to fit on a pocket PC screen. But
potentially it's possible. You could communicate with the K3 via a
Bluetooth serial adapter and have a pocket sized Morse and PSK
terminal...

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