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Richard-6

Turnbuckle Threads

For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?

Cheers,

Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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stengrevics

Re: Turnbuckle Threads

I would not use stainless.

John
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> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
> Cheers,
>
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Mark Goldberg

Re: Turnbuckle Threads

Richard:

If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
hardware, even in Aluminum.
What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
temperature extremes?
I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
not a big issue.

John:

What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
load?

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I would not use stainless.
>
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
> > On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
> ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
>

stengrevics

Re: Turnbuckle Threads

My tower guy says stainless is too brittle. Use anodized instead.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Richard:
>
> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
> hardware, even in Aluminum.
> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
> temperature extremes?
> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
> not a big issue.
>
> John:
>
> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
> load?
>
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> I would not use stainless.
>>
>>
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>> ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>
>>
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: Turnbuckle Threads

Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their
knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter.

Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower
hardware, use and installation.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:

> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle. Use anodized instead.
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Richard:
>>
>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>> temperature extremes?
>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>> not a big issue.
>>
>> John:
>>
>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>> load?
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>> ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>
>>>
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stengrevics

Re: Turnbuckle Threads

Oops…I meant galvanized. Just not stainless.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter.
>
> Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower hardware, use and installation.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle. Use anodized instead.
>>
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Richard:
>>>
>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>>> temperature extremes?
>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>>> not a big issue.
>>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>>> load?
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>>> ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>>
>>>>
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Barry LaZar

Re: Turnbuckle Threads

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Richard,
I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on
my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go
on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is
as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water
really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your
stainless be marine grade.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

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Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads

>For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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Josh Fiden

Re: Turnbuckle Threads

I use Permatex anti-seize, same as west marine sells. I’ve only used ss turnbuckles for truss cables & anything I want to look pretty (architectural). Never a problem when threads are coated. Tower guys always galvanized. SS is a PITA with galling. I suppose if you’re in a real corrosive environment it would make sense.

73
Josh W6XU

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> On Nov 2, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Richard,
> I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your stainless be marine grade.
>
> 73,
> Barry
>

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Re: Turnbuckle Threads

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Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly! The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y." Run away from anyone who says it. There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product. Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about. In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue: "Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark, KE6BB
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Re: Turnbuckle Threads

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George Danner-2

Re: Turnbuckle Threads

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All,
In 1998 we replaced a 1955 1,000' Stainless Tower. It was located in
Lantana, Florida - probably 15 miles of so from the Atlantic Ocean.
We did paint the tower often but never did any maintenance on the guy wire
hardware.
The tower used galvanized hardware. The hardware on the tower and guy wires
were original.
Our tower maintenance company did use a penetration lubricate before they
adjusted guy tensions.
We had the tensions checked during the annual inspection; But only adjusted
a couple times in the 35 years I was there.

73
George AI4VZ

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Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their
knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter

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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: Turnbuckle Threads

Clarification, Stainless Tower company builds steel towers. They are NOT stainless steel.

We had a 350 ft Stainless tower at WDXN in Clarksville TN. It was a challenge to climb as the horizontal members were 3ft apart. That's a tall step.

Bob, K4TAX

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> On Nov 3, 2019, at 7:46 AM, George <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> All,
> In 1998 we replaced a 1955 1,000' Stainless Tower. It was located in Lantana, Florida - probably 15 miles of so from the Atlantic Ocean.
> We did paint the tower often but never did any maintenance on the guy wire hardware.
> The tower used galvanized hardware. The hardware on the tower and guy wires were original.
> Our tower maintenance company did use a penetration lubricate before they adjusted guy tensions.
> We had the tensions checked during the annual inspection; But only adjusted a couple times in the 35 years I was there.
>
> 73
> George AI4VZ
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: rv6amark via Elecraft
> Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter
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