When I was considering wiring for my new station control panel, I
decided to "harvest" twisted pair from Cat-5e to use as hookup wire. I was aware that it would reject low-freq noise and hum without shielding. Having a large amount of Cat-5e didn't hurt, either. I believe Cat-5e is isolated up to 100-KHz. I have not taken photos to post to my website, but have a webpage established for the control panel project. http://www.kl7uw.com/controlbox.htm For a teaser: It uses a four-stage sequencer for VHF operations, built-in computer soundcard interface. 17 switches and 22 DPDT relays to control preamp, amps, relays, remote power supplies, keying to interface SO2R operation. With this I control 17antennas on three towers and one dish and equipment on bands from 600m to 3cm. All in a 3x8x6 inch enclosure. High-tech twisted-pair! ;-) 73, Ed - KL7UW ************************ Message: 33 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:11:09 -0700 From: "Jim Brown" <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] Twisted Pair Wiring and RFI Rejection To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:14:14 +0100, David Woolley (E.L) wrote: >That's another of Jim's suggestions that the UK amateur radio trade >and RSGB shop have failed to take note of. I don't want to take credit for repeating fundamental principles that have been well understood for at least a century. The great telephone companies began using twisted pairs for both short and long lines early in the 20th century. In the early days, the only source of interference was 60 Hz power, so wires were run as parallel conductors, with the twist in the form of a crossover every other pole. This worked fine, because it was much much shorter than the wavelength of the 60 Hz power, and telephone lines were able to run directly under power lines without interference! Today, CAT5/6/7 cable rejects noise SOLELY by virtue of its high quality twisted pair construction. Crosstalk is further reduced by the fact that the pairs are twisted at different rates. These fundamental principles are WELL understood in the EMC world, and those of us working in EMC in pro audio have had to learn them to keep hum, buzz, and RFI out of our systems. I find it ironic that RF folks look down on audio engineering, because "it's only 20-20,000 Hz." In fact, audio systems are far more complex than RF systems -- they span 3 decades of frequency, require transducers that can produce high power over this wide frequency range with controlled dispersion far more complex than most antenna systems, must work in an acoustic environment that is at least as complex as the ionosphere, have dynamic range requirements of 100 dB or more, and must regularly achieve that with signal levels in the millivolt range in an environment that is full of all sorts of electrical noise. 73, Jim Brown K9YC 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 ====================================== BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-QRT*, 432-100w, 1296-QRT*, 3400-fall 2010 DUBUS Magazine USA Rep [hidden email] ====================================== *temp ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:08:34 -0800, Edward R. Cole wrote:
>I believe Cat-5e is isolated up to 100-KHz. In essence, the ability of twisted pair to reject HF noise is directly related to the number of twists per inch, and the uniformity of the twist. The close spacing of the twist also helps. High quality twisted pair like any of the CAT5/6/7 cables continues to reject noise well into the VHF range, although the degree of rejection degrades with increasing frequency. Noise rejection is also a function of the balance of the receiver, and to some extent, the balance of the output stage that drives the line. CAT5/6/7 cables as a group are constant impedance (100 ohms) and have relatively good bandwidth (well into the tens of MHz). Like any transmission line, loss increases with frequency. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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