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Ron Midwin-3

Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

I run my K3 from my "shack" which is in the corner of my dining room.
I would like to sometimes run it remote from another room in my house. I
have a wireless network in the house that I can access anywhere in the
house. Is anyone in K3 land doing this, and if so, how? I also have an
AL-811 amp in the shack, but would be OK without using it remote. I also
have a LDG AT600-Pro, which I could leave on automatic.

thanks,
AE6RH
K3 S/N 1997

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Chad Wasinger

Re: Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

Ron - Yes, very doable. I'm currently remoting my K3/10 that is a mile away via a wireless ISP network to my house using RemoteRigs and the K3/0. The performance is very good and almost like I was in front of the actual radio.
Remoting your K3 while install your home network should be much easier and reliable. Plus RemoteRig offers a WiFi add-on board that will help with the ease in your setup. I just ordered one direct from RemoteRig last week.
Call Elecraft and ask for Brandon, he is their expert on this subject and very good at helping you get started.
73,ChadN0YK

> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:39:55 -0800
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?
>
> I run my K3 from my "shack" which is in the corner of my dining room.
> I would like to sometimes run it remote from another room in my house. I
> have a wireless network in the house that I can access anywhere in the
> house. Is anyone in K3 land doing this, and if so, how? I also have an
> AL-811 amp in the shack, but would be OK without using it remote. I also
> have a LDG AT600-Pro, which I could leave on automatic.
>
> thanks,
> AE6RH
> K3 S/N 1997
>
> --
> Ron Midwin
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Ron Midwin-3

Re: Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

Thanks Chad,

I assume that what you're doing requires purchasing 2 of the Remote Rigs.

I am looking for a less expensive method since I have not need to run the
K3 from another location using the internet. I'd just like to know if
there is a way to use what I have, interconnecting the K3 and K3/0 with my
current network?

thanks,

Ron

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Chad Wasinger <[hidden email]>wrote:

> Ron - Yes, very doable. I'm currently remoting my K3/10 that is a mile
> away via a wireless ISP network to my house using RemoteRigs and the K3/0.
> The performance is very good and almost like I was in front of the actual
> radio.
>
> Remoting your K3 while install your home network should be much easier and
> reliable. Plus RemoteRig offers a WiFi add-on board that will help with the
> ease in your setup. I just ordered one direct from RemoteRig last week.
>
> Call Elecraft and ask for Brandon, he is their expert on this subject and
> very good at helping you get started.
>
> 73,
> Chad
> N0YK
>
> > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:39:55 -0800
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?
> >
> > I run my K3 from my "shack" which is in the corner of my dining room.
> > I would like to sometimes run it remote from another room in my house. I
> > have a wireless network in the house that I can access anywhere in the
> > house. Is anyone in K3 land doing this, and if so, how? I also have an
> > AL-811 amp in the shack, but would be OK without using it remote. I also
> > have a LDG AT600-Pro, which I could leave on automatic.
> >
> > thanks,
> > AE6RH
> > K3 S/N 1997
> >
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

Ron,

You can connect the K3 and the K3/0 or another K3 using a null modem cable.
The downside is that you do not have audio or keying capability on the
local K3. If you can live with that, just connect with the null modem
serial cable - no network involved.
Hold CONFIG down for 3 seconds to put the K3 (or K3/0) into terminal mode.
At least that is how it worked when Wayne first developed the code -
some things may have changed since then.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/28/2013 12:16 PM, Ron Midwin wrote:
> Thanks Chad,
>
> I assume that what you're doing requires purchasing 2 of the Remote Rigs.
>
> I am looking for a less expensive method since I have not need to run the
> K3 from another location using the internet. I'd just like to know if
> there is a way to use what I have, interconnecting the K3 and K3/0 with my
> current network?
>

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Jim Rhodes-2

Re: Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

If you use Cat to make a simple 3 wire null modem cable you could use the
other wires for keying and audio.

Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
On Jan 28, 2013 11:31 AM, "Don Wilhelm" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ron,
>
> You can connect the K3 and the K3/0 or another K3 using a null modem cable.
> The downside is that you do not have audio or keying capability on the
> local K3. If you can live with that, just connect with the null modem
> serial cable - no network involved.
> Hold CONFIG down for 3 seconds to put the K3 (or K3/0) into terminal mode.
> At least that is how it worked when Wayne first developed the code - some
> things may have changed since then.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/28/2013 12:16 PM, Ron Midwin wrote:
>
>> Thanks Chad,
>>
>> I assume that what you're doing requires purchasing 2 of the Remote Rigs.
>>
>> I am looking for a less expensive method since I have not need to run the
>> K3 from another location using the internet. I'd just like to know if
>> there is a way to use what I have, interconnecting the K3 and K3/0 with my
>> current network?
>>
>>
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Robert Vargas (KP4Y)

Re: Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

I have been successful controlling my K3 using the KX3. In a nutshell, I setup a serial server and client using VPSE software to wirelessly interconnect the K3 and KX3 using TCP/IP. Then, I use WKRemote to key my K1EL keyer remotely (assuming you have K1EL...The best!!!) and Skype for VOIP. It's not prefect but I have been able to work DX while watching the kids play in the backyard . I'm very busy right now but I'm planning to write a simple white paper on the subject in the near future.

73,
Robert-KP4Y

________________________________
From: Jim Rhodes <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

If you use Cat to make a simple 3 wire null modem cable you could use the
other wires for keying and audio.

Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
On Jan 28, 2013 11:31 AM, "Don Wilhelm" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA)-2

Re: Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

You can achieve perfect audio for CW if you use IP-Sound in stead of Skype.
Skype works but the audio quality is not very good for CW.

You may need to use VPN for IP-Sound. I use Hamachi which is easily installed and set-up.
The audio quality for CW is comparable to being directly connected to the K3.

ADDENDUM
Although not related to K3/0 ...
I can recommend the following set-up for remote control of K3 from a client laptop:

Server (in shack):
Teamviewer
HRD
Winkey Demo
IP-Sound
Hamachi VPN

Client (opr pos)
Teamviewer
IP-Sound
Hamachi VPN

With these (all free) pieces of SW you can work real smooth RC. It really doesn't matter that it is not one piece of SW (as some might think).
Using HRD only on the Server (as opposed to using it as Server/Client) you have the logbook and audio-grabbed files etc. all collected on the shack laptop (server). This may be useful if you operate either from the shack or remotely. I recommend using the WK Demo SW for K1EL keying of the K3. It is far superior to using the CW key in HRD, because the HRD keying is very slow-starting and also difficult to stop. WK Demo works real fast (both start and stop). When set up correctly you can work real QSK type QSOs.

I recommend the following for remote control of K3 from iPhone:
Server (in shack):
Teamviewer
K3iNetwork
Skype

Client (opr pos)
Teamviewer
SServer
Skype

NB: Mike KS7D is working on an app for remote control of K3 and keying with the iPhone used as a paddle (similar to iDitDah).
If you are a keen CW opr and have K3 and iPhone, that should be really thrilling for you!

73 to all
Poul-Erik, OZ4UN

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] På vegne af Robert Vargas (KP4Y)
Sendt: 28. januar 2013 20:48
Til: Elecraft Reflector
Emne: Re: [Elecraft] Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

I have been successful controlling my K3 using the KX3. In a nutshell, I setup a serial server and client using VPSE software to wirelessly interconnect the K3 and KX3 using TCP/IP. Then, I use WKRemote to key my K1EL keyer remotely (assuming you have K1EL...The best!!!) and Skype for VOIP. It's not prefect but I have been able to work DX while watching the kids play in the backyard . I'm very busy right now but I'm planning to write a simple white paper on the subject in the near future.

73,
Robert-KP4Y

________________________________
From: Jim Rhodes <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

If you use Cat to make a simple 3 wire null modem cable you could use the other wires for keying and audio.

Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
On Jan 28, 2013 11:31 AM, "Don Wilhelm" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ron,
>
> You can connect the K3 and the K3/0 or another K3 using a null modem cable.
> The downside is that you do not have audio or keying capability on the
> local K3. If you can live with that, just connect with the null modem
> serial cable - no network involved.
> Hold CONFIG down for 3 seconds to put the K3 (or K3/0) into terminal mode.
> At least that is how it worked when Wayne first developed the code -
> some things may have changed since then.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/28/2013 12:16 PM, Ron Midwin wrote:
>
>> Thanks Chad,
>>
>> I assume that what you're doing requires purchasing 2 of the Remote Rigs.
>>
>> I am looking for a less expensive method since I have not need to run
>> the
>> K3 from another location using the internet. I'd just like to know
>> if there is a way to use what I have, interconnecting the K3 and K3/0
>> with my current network?
>>
>>
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Win Kriegl DK9IP/KH7CD

Re: Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?

Hi,

regarding audio transfer consider using "RemAud" by DF3CB, a VoIP
application designed especially for radio remote control over the Internet.

http://df3cb.com/remaud/

73, Win DK9IP

Am 28.01.2013 23:39, schrieb Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA):

> You can achieve perfect audio for CW if you use IP-Sound in stead of Skype.
> Skype works but the audio quality is not very good for CW.
>
> You may need to use VPN for IP-Sound. I use Hamachi which is easily installed and set-up.
> The audio quality for CW is comparable to being directly connected to the K3.
>
> ADDENDUM
> Although not related to K3/0 ...
> I can recommend the following set-up for remote control of K3 from a client laptop:
>
> Server (in shack):
> Teamviewer
> HRD
> Winkey Demo
> IP-Sound
> Hamachi VPN
>
> Client (opr pos)
> Teamviewer
> IP-Sound
> Hamachi VPN
>
> With these (all free) pieces of SW you can work real smooth RC. It really doesn't matter that it is not one piece of SW (as some might think).
> Using HRD only on the Server (as opposed to using it as Server/Client) you have the logbook and audio-grabbed files etc. all collected on the shack laptop (server). This may be useful if you operate either from the shack or remotely. I recommend using the WK Demo SW for K1EL keying of the K3. It is far superior to using the CW key in HRD, because the HRD keying is very slow-starting and also difficult to stop. WK Demo works real fast (both start and stop). When set up correctly you can work real QSK type QSOs.
>
> I recommend the following for remote control of K3 from iPhone:
> Server (in shack):
> Teamviewer
> K3iNetwork
> Skype
>
> Client (opr pos)
> Teamviewer
> SServer
> Skype
>
> NB: Mike KS7D is working on an app for remote control of K3 and keying with the iPhone used as a paddle (similar to iDitDah).
> If you are a keen CW opr and have K3 and iPhone, that should be really thrilling for you!
>
> 73 to all
> Poul-Erik, OZ4UN
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] På vegne af Robert Vargas (KP4Y)
> Sendt: 28. januar 2013 20:48
> Til: Elecraft Reflector
> Emne: Re: [Elecraft] Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?
>
> I have been successful controlling my K3 using the KX3. In a nutshell, I setup a serial server and client using VPSE software to wirelessly interconnect the K3 and KX3 using TCP/IP. Then, I use WKRemote to key my K1EL keyer remotely (assuming you have K1EL...The best!!!) and Skype for VOIP. It's not prefect but I have been able to work DX while watching the kids play in the backyard . I'm very busy right now but I'm planning to write a simple white paper on the subject in the near future.
>
> 73,
> Robert-KP4Y
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Rhodes<[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector<[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Use K3/0 in another room in my QTH?
>
> If you use Cat to make a simple 3 wire null modem cable you could use the other wires for keying and audio.
>
> Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
> On Jan 28, 2013 11:31 AM, "Don Wilhelm"<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> You can connect the K3 and the K3/0 or another K3 using a null modem cable.
>> The downside is that you do not have audio or keying capability on the
>> local K3. If you can live with that, just connect with the null modem
>> serial cable - no network involved.
>> Hold CONFIG down for 3 seconds to put the K3 (or K3/0) into terminal mode.
>> At least that is how it worked when Wayne first developed the code -
>> some things may have changed since then.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 1/28/2013 12:16 PM, Ron Midwin wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Chad,
>>>
>>> I assume that what you're doing requires purchasing 2 of the Remote Rigs.
>>>
>>> I am looking for a less expensive method since I have not need to run
>>> the
>>> K3 from another location using the internet. I'd just like to know
>>> if there is a way to use what I have, interconnecting the K3 and K3/0
>>> with my current network?
>>>
>>>
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