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Ed K3IXD

Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

I tried to use a K3 in the IOTA contest on SSB but ran into a problem.
I couldn't figure out how to satisfactory key the K3 with wave
files from N1MM Logger and also use a Heil Headset. Reading the manual
it appears that you can have audio input from ONLY the front panel, rear
panel, OR line in. The wave files were coming via the line in and the
mike via the Front panel. Did I over look something?

A fellow team member and I considered paralleling the mike and sound
card input but we didn't want a live mike while wave files were playing.
The Elecraft web site says that their digital voice recorder (KDVR3) is
not yet shipping. For now, does this mean that that I have to use my
MFJ voice keyer (configured for a Kenwood radio) if I want audio files
AND mike capabilities?

When using a K3, how are others handling SSB contests?

73, Ed
K3IXD
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KK7P

Re: Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

> ...Reading the manual
> it appears that you can have audio input from ONLY the front panel, rear
> panel, OR line in. The wave files were coming via the line in and the
> mike via the Front panel. Did I over look something?

You can have either mic plus LINE input active at the same time. See
recent firmware release notes.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Ed K3IXD

Re: Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

Lyle,
Thanks I will check and see what version is loaded.
73, Ed
K3IXD

Lyle Johnson wrote:

>> ...Reading the manual it appears that you can have audio input from
>> ONLY the front panel, rear
>> panel, OR line in. The wave files were coming via the line in and the
>> mike via the Front panel. Did I over look something?
>
> You can have either mic plus LINE input active at the same time. See
> recent firmware release notes.
>
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
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Brett Howard

Re: Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

You're probably still going to have a live mic during the transmitting
of a wave file but I don't see that as that big of a deal...

On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 21:49 -0400, Ed Steeble wrote:

> Lyle,
> Thanks I will check and see what version is loaded.
> 73, Ed
> K3IXD
>
> Lyle Johnson wrote:
> >> ...Reading the manual it appears that you can have audio input from
> >> ONLY the front panel, rear
> >> panel, OR line in. The wave files were coming via the line in and the
> >> mike via the Front panel. Did I over look something?
> >
> > You can have either mic plus LINE input active at the same time. See
> > recent firmware release notes.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Lyle KK7P
> >
> >
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> >
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Dave LaBat

Re: Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

In reply to this post by Ed K3IXD

I ran into this as well. It was a bit tricky but here is what worked:

Writelog as DVK
Cable from headphone out of soundboard to the line in jack on back of K3

Now the tricky part: Select LINE IN as input first! Then set the gain as you
would a mike gain, otherwise the K3 sees zero input from the line in!

Select mike Front panel, go to next menu option and select Mike + line

It worked great! There was other issues with the K3 but probably because it
is an infant.. a new PA is on the way (bummer)

73, Dave NT6AA
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Ed K3IXD

Re: Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

In reply to this post by Brett Howard

Brett,

Thanks for reply. I have to disagree; it is a big deal. A year ago,
using another rig we didn't realize that we had an open mike when wave
files were being transmitted and got reports about the voices in the
background. The team members were not talking loudly. We solved the
problem with that rig, which we hope to replace with a second K3 for CQ
WW SSB. We figured that Elecraft had to have solved this problem and the
replies indicate that they have.

To others,
Thanks all for the replies and now to make some tests.

BTW we got great audio reports when using the K3.

73, Ed
K3IXD/C6AXD
C6APR team member

Brett Howard wrote:

> You're probably still going to have a live mic during the transmitting
> of a wave file but I don't see that as that big of a deal...
>
> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 21:49 -0400, Ed Steeble wrote:
>> Lyle,
>> Thanks I will check and see what version is loaded.
>> 73, Ed
>> K3IXD
>>
>> Lyle Johnson wrote:
>>>> ...Reading the manual it appears that you can have audio input from
>>>> ONLY the front panel, rear
>>>> panel, OR line in. The wave files were coming via the line in and the
>>>> mike via the Front panel. Did I over look something?
>>> You can have either mic plus LINE input active at the same time. See
>>> recent firmware release notes.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Lyle KK7P
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database:
>>> 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 6:43 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
>

.k8dd.-2

Re: Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

In reply to this post by Ed K3IXD

Ed .....

If you look at http://www.writelog.com/support/wlso2r.pdf it shows how to
set up the mike for SSB contesting. If you ignore the Left Rig and the
W5XD Multi+ keyer and just look at the Right Rig and microphone setup you
will see how to keep the audio from the other ops out of your mike.

In N1MM configurer you can select the line to mute when playing wav files.
This is also mostly the Mic input. Check
http://pages.cthome.net/n1mm/html/English/BasicFunctions.htm#Recording_Wav_files
for recording info.

I have found that if the MON level is turned up so you can hear yourself,
with MIC + Line in you will get feedback when you activate PTT. I'm
assuming this will not happen if the mike is plugged into the sound card.

Also, if you want to record both TX and RX audio in the contest you have to
select =PHONES. This will send TX & RX audio to the sound card at a level
controlled by the AF Gain control (NOT Line Out level) and possibly
overdrive your sound card.

73 Hank K8DD

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Steeble" <[hidden email]>

>I tried to use a K3 in the IOTA contest on SSB but ran into a problem.
> I couldn't figure out how to satisfactory key the K3 with wave
> files from N1MM Logger and also use a Heil Headset. Reading the manual it
> appears that you can have audio input from ONLY the front panel, rear
> panel, OR line in. The wave files were coming via the line in and the
> mike via the Front panel. Did I over look something?
>
> A fellow team member and I considered paralleling the mike and sound
> card input but we didn't want a live mike while wave files were playing.
> The Elecraft web site says that their digital voice recorder (KDVR3) is
> not yet shipping. For now, does this mean that that I have to use my
> MFJ voice keyer (configured for a Kenwood radio) if I want audio files AND
> mike capabilities?
>
> When using a K3, how are others handling SSB contests?
>
> 73, Ed
> K3IXD

Stewart Baker

Re: Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

It would be nice to have a LINE OUT setting something like =TX/RX
where both the received audio and the transmitted audio were
available at a preset (independent of volume control) level.
It would be very useful in contests to record both sides of a
contact CW or SSB.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:07:35 -0400, hank k8dd wrote:
> Ed .....
>
> If you look at http://www.writelog.com/support/wlso2r.pdf it
shows how to
> set up the mike for SSB contesting. If you ignore the Left Rig
and the
> W5XD Multi+ keyer and just look at the Right Rig and microphone
setup you
> will see how to keep the audio from the other ops out of your
mike.
>
> In N1MM configurer you can select the line to mute when playing
wav files.
> This is also mostly the Mic input. Check
> http://pages.cthome.net/n1mm/html/English/BasicFunctions.htm#Rec
ording_Wav_files
> for recording info.
>
> I have found that if the MON level is turned up so you can hear
yourself,
> with MIC + Line in you will get feedback when you activate PTT.
I'm
> assuming this will not happen if the mike is plugged into the
sound card.
>
> Also, if you want to record both TX and RX audio in the contest
you have to
> select =PHONES. This will send TX & RX audio to the sound card
at a level
> controlled by the AF Gain control (NOT Line Out level) and
possibly
> overdrive your sound card.
>
> 73 Hank K8DD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Steeble" <[hidden email]>
>
>> I tried to use a K3 in the IOTA contest on SSB but ran into a
problem.
>> I couldn't figure out how to satisfactory key the K3 with wave
>> files from N1MM Logger and also use a Heil Headset. Reading the
manual it
>> appears that you can have audio input from ONLY the front
panel, rear
>> panel, OR line in. The wave files were coming via the line in
and the
>> mike via the Front panel. Did I over look something?
>>
>> A fellow team member and I considered paralleling the mike and
sound
>> card input but we didn't want a live mike while wave files were
playing.
>> The Elecraft web site says that their digital voice recorder
(KDVR3) is
>> not yet shipping. For now, does this mean that that I have to
use my
>> MFJ voice keyer (configured for a Kenwood radio) if I want
audio files AND

>> mike capabilities?
>>
>> When using a K3, how are others handling SSB contests?
>>
>> 73, Ed
>> K3IXD
>>
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.k8dd.-2

Re: Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

Yes it would!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart Baker" <[hidden email]>

It would be nice to have a LINE OUT setting something like =TX/RX
where both the received audio and the transmitted audio were
available at a preset (independent of volume control) level.
It would be very useful in contests to record both sides of a
contact CW or SSB.

73
Stewart G3RXQ

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Chad WE9V

Re: Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

In reply to this post by Stewart Baker

I completely agree.

I was excited when I saw a recent release note that said that TX audio
would be available on the LINE OUT connector, but then was
disappointed to read further when it said it was controlled with the
front panel volume control and not at a fixed level.

Can we PLEASE get this to a fixed level so that we can record both
sides of the QSO without worrying about the FP volume control, and so
that it also works with digital modes (RTTY, JT6M, etc) correctly?

Chad WE9V

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Stewart Baker
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> It would be nice to have a LINE OUT setting something like =TX/RX
> where both the received audio and the transmitted audio were
> available at a preset (independent of volume control) level.
> It would be very useful in contests to record both sides of a
> contact CW or SSB.
>
> 73
> Stewart G3RXQ
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