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Hello,
When using the button A>B (VFO info transfer) the mode from A is not transferred to B. Was that supposed to be so or asked for? Especially now when CW is possible in SSB mode, you might not notice it when B was on SSB and you quickly want to transfer CW info to B for split operation. 73's, Evert PA2KW Drake TR7/R7 K2-SN4836 K3-SN0812 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> When using the button A>B (VFO info transfer) the mode from A is not
> transferred to B. With the new firmware, the first tap of A>B only transfers the frequency. A second tap or A>B within 2 seconds of the first tap tells the radio to transfer the other settings associated with VFO A (mode, etc.). This is in the release notes, but easy to miss with all the other new information! 73, Lyle KK7P _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Noted (and probably forgotten some time in the next 5 minutes, to my eventual confusion) Hopefully it will be possible to order updates of the user manual that reflect the latest state of the firmware at some point. (Lacking the facilities to print one out to an equivalent standard.)
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Julian and All,
This kind of thing emphasizes the value of something I suggested previously. I think the manual should be downloadable in Word, or some equivalent, and then updated by just revising the individual pages. A revision page would be designated by the page number plus an appropriate letter or decimal follower, like "43.1" or "43.2", etc. You would only have to download the overall manual once, and then just download revision pages. If you put the manual in a loose leaf binder, revisions are easy to insert. This method is used extensively in professional reference material. Manual updates can also be indexed and dated (as should revision pages). If we are going to have a radio that is continuously upgradeable, I think the manual should similarly be "upgradeable" in some fashion like this. That way you don't have to be constantly looking for "errata" sheets which might alter the procedure you are looking for. Just my humble opinion! Dave W7AQK ----- Original Message ----- From: "G4ILO" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VFO A>B > > > Lyle KK7P wrote: >> >> With the new firmware, the first tap of A>B only transfers the >> frequency. A second tap or A>B within 2 seconds of the first tap tells >> the radio to transfer the other settings associated with VFO A (mode, >> etc.). >> >> This is in the release notes, but easy to miss with all the other new >> information! >> > Noted (and probably forgotten some time in the next 5 minutes, to my > eventual confusion) Hopefully it will be possible to order updates of the > user manual that reflect the latest state of the firmware at some point. > (Lacking the facilities to print one out to an equivalent standard.) > > ----- > Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 > G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com > Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/VFO-A%3EB-tp17064615p17066400.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a recent message, David Yarnes <[hidden email]> writes
>I think the manual should be downloadable in Word, Gosh, I sincerely hope not, David; I for one do not wish to have to start installing another Microsoft product. How about Corel WordPerfect? No! Let's stick with Adobe Acrobat Portable Document Files. Most people have Acrobat on their PC and can print out in whatever size of paper they choose. > >Just my humble opinion! Mine too. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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David and All,
Wordperfect suits me! As does Works, Office One, whatever. All of them would be translatable into each other. This would not be a complex file format, so just about every word processing program could handle it. But I think you are letting your bias against Microsoft (which I certainly can understand) distract you from the main purpose of my post. You can actually accomplish much the same thing using PDF files. The problem with most PDF stuff is whether or not you can actually modify the document itself. Using one of the word processing programs, you could actually modify the original document by simply inserting the corrections rather than just adding revision pages. That could keep your manual much more concise, assuming you wanted to go to the trouble to do it--which wouldn't be much. By the way, any word processing document can easily be provided in PDF format as well. So if PDF is your thing, there's no good reason why you couldn't continue to have it that way. In fact, I bet all these Elecraft manuals, and their revisions, etc., are first done on a word processing program, and then converted to PDF. I'm really just asking them to make the documents available in their original form. I'm also suggesting a somewhat more organized method for updating, but that isn't as critical as having the documents in a word processing format. I'm just not much in favor of "Errata" sheets. You can get a whole bunch of errata sheets just to correct minor errors. I'd rather correct the original document itself, especially for minor items like that. Procedural changes can be made by "cut and paste". Or, you can just do as I initially suggested and have revision pages. At least those would be more appropriately located in your manual rather than having to keep checking the long list of errata sheets for any possible correction. Unless you are familiar with this process, which as I indicated is widely used, you probably can't appreciate it's benefits fully. If you have ever dealt with frequently updated technical reference material, you probably know how the process I'm suggesting works. Dave W7AQK ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pratt" <[hidden email]> To: "David Yarnes" <[hidden email]> Cc: "G4ILO" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:48 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Manuals > In a recent message, David Yarnes <[hidden email]> writes >>I think the manual should be downloadable in Word, > > Gosh, I sincerely hope not, David; I for one do not wish to have to start > installing another Microsoft product. How about Corel WordPerfect? > > No! Let's stick with Adobe Acrobat Portable Document Files. Most people > have Acrobat on their PC and can print out in whatever size of paper they > choose. >> >>Just my humble opinion! > > Mine too. > > 73 > -- > David G4DMP > Leeds, England, UK > > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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You can actually accomplish much the same thing using PDF files. The
> problem with most PDF stuff is whether or not you can actually modify the > document itself. Using one of the word processing programs, you could > actually modify the original document by simply inserting the corrections > rather than just adding revision pages. This is precisely why most documents available on the web are released in PDF format. The owners of the documents want to maintain control of the information in the documents. If the documents are released in an editable format then they lose control and accountability for there content. I for one would never release a document on the web in an easily editable format. Larry KB5DXY _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by David Pratt
At 06:48 PM 05/05/08, David Pratt wrote:
>In a recent message, David Yarnes <[hidden email]> writes >>I think the manual should be downloadable in Word, > >Gosh, I sincerely hope not, David; I for one do not wish to have to >start installing another Microsoft product. How about Corel WordPerfect? Hmmm, please don;t force me to install yet another word processor (g). >No! Let's stick with Adobe Acrobat Portable Document Files. Most >people have Acrobat on their PC and can print out in whatever size >of paper they choose. Of course one could actually produce and distribute documents in .rtf format. >>Just my humble opinion! Suggesting WordPerfect might be seen as an act of defiance. Thom _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Seems this updating process could just as easily be taken care of by
"marking" the original page/paragraph that has been modified (just an "X" or an Errata page number (ID the errata pages somehow) written on the original document where the change has been made. Then you know there has been an update and where to find it. Other options would appear to be at least as or more cumbersome than a procedure similar to this and YOU CAN do it this way NOW without any changes to the "system". JMHO, 73, de Jim KG0KP ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Yarnes" <[hidden email]> To: "David Pratt" <[hidden email]> Cc: "G4ILO" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Manuals > David and All, > > Wordperfect suits me! As does Works, Office One, whatever. All of them > would be translatable into each other. This would not be a complex file > format, so just about every word processing program could handle it. But I > think you are letting your bias against Microsoft (which I certainly can > understand) distract you from the main purpose of my post. > > You can actually accomplish much the same thing using PDF files. The > problem with most PDF stuff is whether or not you can actually modify the > document itself. Using one of the word processing programs, you could > actually modify the original document by simply inserting the corrections > rather than just adding revision pages. That could keep your manual much > more concise, assuming you wanted to go to the trouble to do it--which > wouldn't be much. By the way, any word processing document can easily be > provided in PDF format as well. So if PDF is your thing, there's no good > reason why you couldn't continue to have it that way. In fact, I bet all > these Elecraft manuals, and their revisions, etc., are first done on a > processing program, and then converted to PDF. I'm really just asking them > to make the documents available in their original form. I'm also suggesting > a somewhat more organized method for updating, but that isn't as critical as > having the documents in a word processing format. > > I'm just not much in favor of "Errata" sheets. You can get a whole bunch of > errata sheets just to correct minor errors. I'd rather correct the original > document itself, especially for minor items like that. Procedural changes > can be made by "cut and paste". Or, you can just do as I initially > suggested and have revision pages. At least those would be more > appropriately located in your manual rather than having to keep checking the > long list of errata sheets for any possible correction. > > Unless you are familiar with this process, which as I indicated is widely > used, you probably can't appreciate it's benefits fully. If you have ever > dealt with frequently updated technical reference material, you probably > know how the process I'm suggesting works. > > Dave W7AQK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pratt" <[hidden email]> > To: "David Yarnes" <[hidden email]> > Cc: "G4ILO" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:48 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Manuals > > > > In a recent message, David Yarnes <[hidden email]> writes > >>I think the manual should be downloadable in Word, > > > > Gosh, I sincerely hope not, David; I for one do not wish to have to > > installing another Microsoft product. How about Corel WordPerfect? > > > > No! Let's stick with Adobe Acrobat Portable Document Files. Most people > > have Acrobat on their PC and can print out in whatever size of paper they > > choose. > >> > >>Just my humble opinion! > > > > Mine too. > > > > 73 > > -- > > David G4DMP > > Leeds, England, UK > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I agree with using PDF, a manual with page number as suggested and the
manual rev on each page as a footer so you know when a paged changed is a good idea. God, takes me back to my early DEC years! -- Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. -Lord Acton, historian (1834-1902) On 5 May 2008, at 23:48, David Pratt wrote: > In a recent message, David Yarnes <[hidden email]> writes >> I think the manual should be downloadable in Word, > > Gosh, I sincerely hope not, David; I for one do not wish to have to > start installing another Microsoft product. How about Corel > WordPerfect? > > No! Let's stick with Adobe Acrobat Portable Document Files. Most > people have Acrobat on their PC and can print out in whatever size > of paper they choose. >> >> Just my humble opinion! > > Mine too. > > 73 > -- > David G4DMP > Leeds, England, UK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by w7aqk
you can annotate pages (and much more) with Preview - standard
software on a Mac :-) 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- A bit of fragrance always clings to the hand that gives the rose. -Chinese proverb On 6 May 2008, at 03:23, David Yarnes wrote: > You can actually accomplish much the same thing using PDF files. > The problem with most PDF stuff is whether or not you can actually > modify the document itself. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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