WA3WSJ: DX & Pileups
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Hello all,
I guess I'll give my two cents worth concerning DX and pileups. I've operated as WA3WSJ/KP4, WA3WSJ/C6A, V26ED and VP5ED. I used the WA3WSJ/C6A call around twelve times. Almost all of these Dxpeditions were for CW contests such as CQWWCW. When I operated as VP5ED, I had over 1200 QS in 48 hours using my K2 at 5w (s/n 321). Here is what a DX operator is listening for: Any SEMI-CLEAR SPOT! When you call cq as a needed dx station, the fun starts after you are called out on a few reflectors. All the Dx operator hears is a buzzing sound in his headset. He tries to pull something from this hornets nest by: 1. Reducing the RF Gain on the rig to work the big boys and get them off the pile first. If you hear him working the strong ones - wait. 2. I moved my RIT control around some. I liked to listen below my sending frequency as most listen above. I must admit that I sometimes was listening 1-2kz away from my sending frequency. 3. The most important thing to do is LISTEN! 4. If the Dx station stops sending, don't keep sending your call. Sometimes we go to the bathroom, get a drink etc. 5. If the DX operator is listening say 1kz away, PLEASE DON"T SEND ON HIS TX FREQUENCY! This happens all the time when a newbie to the pile DOESN'T LISTEN. All it does is slow down his rate. 6. If you don't hear the DX station, wait a minute or two then look for him somewhere close by. I have had to move away from a huge pile because I no longer had control of it using 5w. Don't worry the pile will find him VERY quickly. These are just a few of the tricks of a DX Operator. I could write a book on my experiences of operating as DX. I always had a fun time and got to see new countries and meet new people. If you never have operated as DX - what are you waiting for! I can't tell you how many hams have said to me, " I'm gonna to that some day." Well folks some day never came because they died before getting the opportunity to do it! Don't let this happen to YOU. Well, that's my two cents. 72, Ed, WA3WSJ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Unless you listen pretty far down, someone's broadbanded signal
is going to cover up your transmit frequency. de Joe, aa4nn -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. I moved my RIT control around some. I liked to listen below my sending frequency as most listen above. I must admit that I sometimes was listening 1-2kz away from my sending frequency. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Ed,
Good thoughts and well stated. One critically important thought I believe you might have overlooked. That is simply this: The DX Station Is In Control of the pileup (or should be). If he or she says "QRZ W7Y??" and comes back to KP4XYZ, he has just created a problem. The new breed of good DX operators stick by their directions. They also send their call frequently (preferably after each QSO) and every so often send their name, qth and qsl info and also tell if they are QSX'ing up or down. Following these ideas elminates the need for the ever present LID to get on the DX frequency and ask "Call?" "QSL info?" etc. Of course the Lids are like the "Force"...they will always be with us. DXing from "the other side" is great fun. 72/73 and hope to "beat" you in the DX pileups <gr> Tony, W4FOA ex EL2AD, 7Q7AA, PY1ZBA, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R. Breneiser" <[hidden email]> To: "'N3EPA'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: [Elecraft] WA3WSJ: DX & Pileups Hello all, I guess I'll give my two cents worth concerning DX and pileups. I've operated as WA3WSJ/KP4, WA3WSJ/C6A, V26ED and VP5ED. I used the WA3WSJ/C6A call around twelve times. Almost all of these Dxpeditions were for CW contests such as CQWWCW. When I operated as VP5ED, I had over 1200 QS in 48 hours using my K2 at 5w (s/n 321). Here is what a DX operator is listening for: Any SEMI-CLEAR SPOT! When you call cq as a needed dx station, the fun starts after you are called out on a few reflectors. All the Dx operator hears is a buzzing sound in his headset. He tries to pull something from this hornets nest by: 1. Reducing the RF Gain on the rig to work the big boys and get them off the pile first. If you hear him working the strong ones - wait. 2. I moved my RIT control around some. I liked to listen below my sending frequency as most listen above. I must admit that I sometimes was listening 1-2kz away from my sending frequency. 3. The most important thing to do is LISTEN! 4. If the Dx station stops sending, don't keep sending your call. Sometimes we go to the bathroom, get a drink etc. 5. If the DX operator is listening say 1kz away, PLEASE DON"T SEND ON HIS TX FREQUENCY! This happens all the time when a newbie to the pile DOESN'T LISTEN. All it does is slow down his rate. 6. If you don't hear the DX station, wait a minute or two then look for him somewhere close by. I have had to move away from a huge pile because I no longer had control of it using 5w. Don't worry the pile will find him VERY quickly. These are just a few of the tricks of a DX Operator. I could write a book on my experiences of operating as DX. I always had a fun time and got to see new countries and meet new people. If you never have operated as DX - what are you waiting for! I can't tell you how many hams have said to me, " I'm gonna to that some day." Well folks some day never came because they died before getting the opportunity to do it! Don't let this happen to YOU. Well, that's my two cents. 72, Ed, WA3WSJ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by WA3WSJ
I was listening to an SSB DX pileup. The DX station said "The W
station". He paused and then said "Oh, wait that was stupid. QRZ". Hey, nobody is 100% pro, 100% of the time! I worked a DX station last night on 30 meters using my Omni V. Small pileup. He answered on my 3rd try. That was too easy. I should have used the K1 but didn't have a key hooked up to it at the time. 73 - Keith KD1E - _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Tony Martin W4FOA
Back in the 70's there was listening to a pileeup run by a famous VK (or it
MIGHT have been a famous ZL) who was standing by for East coast US stations on 20M SSB from a little island in the Pacific. A W6 kept calling and calling. The VK asked "Are you on the East coast" to which the response was "You're 59 in California". The VK said "Thank you. You are in the log. QRZ East coast only. And if anyone else wants to be in my log with a DO NOT QSL entry next to their callsign feel free to call me from anywhere other than the East coast of the US. The pileup became VERY well behaved after that. Haven't heard him do that in a long time and I don't know if that W6 ever was really blacklisted but when a DX station maintains discipline...all benefit. Tom K2TA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Martin W4FOA" <[hidden email]> To: "Edward R. Breneiser" <[hidden email]>; "'N3EPA'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WA3WSJ: DX & Pileups > Ed, > > Good thoughts and well stated. > > One critically important thought I believe you might have overlooked. > > That is simply this: The DX Station Is In Control of the pileup (or should > be). > > If he or she says "QRZ W7Y??" and comes back to KP4XYZ, he has just > created a problem. The new breed of good DX operators stick by their > directions. > They also send their call frequently (preferably after each QSO) and every > so often > send their name, qth and qsl info and also tell if they are QSX'ing up or > down. > Following these ideas elminates the need for the ever present LID to get > the DX frequency > and ask "Call?" "QSL info?" etc. Of course the Lids are like the > "Force"...they will > always be with us. > > DXing from "the other side" is great fun. > > 72/73 and hope to "beat" you in the DX pileups <gr> > > Tony, W4FOA > ex EL2AD, 7Q7AA, PY1ZBA, etc. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edward R. Breneiser" <[hidden email]> > To: "'N3EPA'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> > Cc: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:57 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] WA3WSJ: DX & Pileups > > > Hello all, > > I guess I'll give my two cents worth concerning DX and pileups. > I've operated as WA3WSJ/KP4, WA3WSJ/C6A, V26ED and VP5ED. I used the > WA3WSJ/C6A call around twelve times. Almost all of these Dxpeditions > were for CW contests such as CQWWCW. When I operated as VP5ED, I had > over 1200 QS in 48 hours using my K2 at 5w (s/n 321). Here is what a DX > operator is listening for: Any SEMI-CLEAR SPOT! > > When you call cq as a needed dx station, the fun starts after you are > called out on a few reflectors. All the Dx operator hears is a buzzing > sound in his headset. He tries to pull something from this hornets nest > by: > > 1. Reducing the RF Gain on the rig to work the big boys and get them off > the pile first. If you hear him working the strong ones - wait. > 2. I moved my RIT control around some. I liked to listen below my > sending frequency as most listen above. I must admit that I sometimes > was listening 1-2kz away from my sending frequency. > 3. The most important thing to do is LISTEN! > 4. If the Dx station stops sending, don't keep sending your call. > Sometimes we go to the bathroom, get a drink etc. > 5. If the DX operator is listening say 1kz away, PLEASE DON"T SEND ON > HIS TX FREQUENCY! This happens all the time when a newbie to the pile > DOESN'T LISTEN. All it does is slow down his rate. > 6. If you don't hear the DX station, wait a minute or two then look for > him somewhere close by. I have had to move away from a huge pile because > I no longer had control of it using 5w. Don't worry the pile will find > him VERY quickly. > > These are just a few of the tricks of a DX Operator. I could write a > book on my experiences of operating as DX. I always had a fun time and > got to see new countries and meet new people. If you never have operated > as DX - what are you waiting for! I can't tell you how many hams have > said to me, " I'm gonna to that some day." Well folks some day never > came because they died before getting the opportunity to do it! Don't > let this happen to YOU. Well, that's my two cents. > > 72, > Ed, WA3WSJ > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I try to be as polite as possible to offenders in
the pile ups. I just don't log them. If the pile up gets too out of hand, I QRX and get a beer! Mike, W1USN K2 #1964, K1 #1964 First Licensed in 1964 Boxford, MA USA [hidden email] WN1DAE, WN1TPE, WA1TPE, NW1J, VE1/WA1TPE, DL/WA1TPE, G0/NW1J, EA7/NW1J, P4/NW1J, P4/W1USN, V31RN, 8P9CI, VP2ERN, V26NR, FS/W1USN, PJ8/W1USN, J75RN, J3/W1USN, V44/W1USN > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Althoff [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:08 PM > To: [hidden email] > Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WA3WSJ: DX & Pileups > > Back in the 70's there was listening to a pileeup run by a > famous VK (or it > MIGHT have been a famous ZL) who was standing by for East > coast US stations > on 20M SSB from a little island in the Pacific. > > A W6 kept calling and calling. The VK asked "Are you on the > East coast" to > which the response was "You're 59 in California". > The VK said "Thank you. You are in the log. QRZ East coast > only. And if > anyone else wants to be in my log with a DO NOT QSL entry > next to their > callsign feel free to call me from anywhere other than the > East coast of the > US. > > The pileup became VERY well behaved after that. > > Haven't heard him do that in a long time and I don't know if > that W6 ever > was really blacklisted but when a DX station maintains > discipline...all > benefit. > > Tom K2TA _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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