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Bill Frantz

[Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)

A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have
been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in
bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of
kilometers etc.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Randy Farmer

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

Oh, my. Does anyone remember "kilo-megacycles"? Guess we got that one fixed.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 7/30/2019 10:47 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
>
> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have been
> written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in bels, not
> decibels, megameters instead of thousands of kilometers etc.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.

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David Bunte

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

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Bill -

Me thinks ur have studied well.

Dave - K9FN

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> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
>
> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have
> been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in
> bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of
> kilometers etc.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.
>
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Frank Krozel

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

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Walter,
When I went to Michigan Tech University, I once did an hour’s worth of calculations and got an answer but assigned the incorrect designator like you just pointed out.

I got 0-credit for the work.

Lesson learned.

De Frank KG9H

> On Jul 30, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Walter Underwood <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I guess you wouldn’t be a fan of my recent blog post.
>
> https://observer.wunderwood.org/2019/07/24/one-million-meters/
>
> While we are being pedantic, it is “h” for hour instead of “H”, and SI always puts a space between the number and the dimension. So that would be 8.3 Ah. Now we can all practice typing “40 m band” with a space. :-)
>
> I spent some time trying to write a parser for dimensioned data, so I dug deeply into this. I work on a search engine for STEM homework problems.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
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>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
>>
>> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of kilometers etc.
>>
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>
>> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.
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Gwen Patton

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

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That's how the seller lists it. But thank you for reminding me how to
divide by 100 by moving the decimal point two places to the left. I'd
*totally forgotten* until you mentioned it. 😉

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Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

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If a megameter is 1000 kilometers, what is a trigometer ?

73, Charlie k3ICH

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Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)

A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have been written as
an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in bels, not decibels,
megameters instead of thousands of kilometers etc.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Mike Morrow-3

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

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> That should have been written as an 8.3AH battery.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV

Careful about your wishes. Strictly speaking, there is no metric time unit called an hour...just seconds (s).

Your "8.3AH" should be "29880 A•s".

Mike / KK5F
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Gwen Patton

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...AND how to divide by 1000.

😵

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 12:47 PM Gwen Patton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> That's how the seller lists it. But thank you for reminding me how to
> divide by 100 by moving the decimal point two places to the left. I'd
> *totally forgotten* until you mentioned it. 😉
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 11:48 AM Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
>>
>> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have
>> been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in
>> bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of
>> kilometers etc.
>>
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>
>> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.
>>
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Jim Rhodes-3

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

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Yes, but a 8300mah battery just seems so much bigger than an 8.3 ah battery
t those t used to thinking in metric. (Or thinking at all)

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 10:48 Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:

k6dgw

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

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Yep, KMcs. Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those
who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still
used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/30/2019 8:56 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
> Oh, my. Does anyone remember "kilo-megacycles"? Guess we got that one
> fixed.
>
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN

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rich hurd WC3T

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At the risk of arousing Eric’s ire I tender the unit of measure in the most
obscure terms. Velocity in furlongs/fortnight, for example.

Hey, I’m on vacation.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 15:59 Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yep, KMcs. Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those
> who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still
> used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/30/2019 8:56 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
> > Oh, my. Does anyone remember "kilo-megacycles"? Guess we got that one
> > fixed.
> >
> > 73...
> > Randy, W8FN
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John Harper

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>At the risk of arousing Eric’s ire I tender the unit of measure in the most
>obscure terms. Velocity in furlongs/fortnight, for example.

Like these?:

1. Ratio of an igloo's circumference to its diameter = Eskimo Pi

2. 2000 pounds of Chinese soup = Won ton

3. 1 millionth of a mouthwash = 1 microscope

4. Time between slipping on a peel and smacking the pavement = 1
bananosecond

5. Weight an evangelist carries with God = 1 billigram

6. Time it takes to sail 220 yards at 1 nautical mile per hour =
Knotfurlong

7. 364.25 days of drinking low calorie beer = 1 Lite year

8. 16.5 feet in the Twilight Zone = 1 Rod Serling

9. Half a large intestine = 1 semicolon

10. 1,000,000 aches = 1 megahurtz

11. Basic unit of laryngitis - 1 hoarsepower

12. Shortest distance between two jokes - a straight line

13. 453.6 graham crackers = 1 pound cake

14. 1 million microphones = 1 megaphone

15. 1 million bicycles = 1 megacycles

16. 365.25 days = 1 unicycle

17. 2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds

18. 10 cards = 1 decacard

19. 52 cards = 1 deckacard

20. 1 kilogram of falling figs = 1 fig Newton

21. 1000 grams of wet socks = 1 literhosen

22. 1 millionth of a fish = 1 microfiche

23. 1 trillion pins = 1 terrapin

24. 10 rations = 1 decaration

25. 100 rations = 1 C-ration

26. 2 monograms = 1 diagram

27. 8 nickels = 2 paradigms

28. 2.4 statute miles of intravenous surgical tubing at Yale University
Hospital = 1 I.V. League

John AE5X
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Don Wilhelm

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

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Skip,

The proper way to represent units with kilo (10 exp 3) in it is with a
lower case "k".
"m" stands for milli (10 exp -3) while "M" stands for Mega (10 exp 6).

Hz is capitalized because it is a man's name - Hertz.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/30/2019 3:59 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Yep, KMcs. Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those
> who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still
> used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)
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Jim KO5V

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These are wonderful, but I didn't see the millihelen: the quantity of face required to launch only one ship.

I really liked #17:, two kilomockingbirds...

73, Jim

"Like these?:

1. Ratio of an igloo's circumference to its diameter = Eskimo Pi

2. 2000 pounds of Chinese soup = Won ton

3. 1 millionth of a mouthwash = 1 microscope

4. Time between slipping on a peel and smacking the pavement = 1
bananosecond

5. Weight an evangelist carries with God = 1 billigram

6. Time it takes to sail 220 yards at 1 nautical mile per hour =
Knotfurlong

7. 364.25 days of drinking low calorie beer = 1 Lite year

8. 16.5 feet in the Twilight Zone = 1 Rod Serling

9. Half a large intestine = 1 semicolon

10. 1,000,000 aches = 1 megahurtz

11. Basic unit of laryngitis - 1 hoarsepower

12. Shortest distance between two jokes - a straight line

13. 453.6 graham crackers = 1 pound cake

14. 1 million microphones = 1 megaphone

15. 1 million bicycles = 1 megacycles

16. 365.25 days = 1 unicycle

17. 2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds

18. 10 cards = 1 decacard

19. 52 cards = 1 deckacard

20. 1 kilogram of falling figs = 1 fig Newton

21. 1000 grams of wet socks = 1 literhosen

22. 1 millionth of a fish = 1 microfiche

23. 1 trillion pins = 1 terrapin

24. 10 rations = 1 decaration

25. 100 rations = 1 C-ration

26. 2 monograms = 1 diagram

27. 8 nickels = 2 paradigms

28. 2.4 statute miles of intravenous surgical tubing at Yale University
Hospital = 1 I.V. League"
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k6dgw

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Correct, except when kilomegacycles per second was in vogue [and giga
apparently had yet to become popular], it was abbreviated KMcs.
Technically, it should probably have been KMcps, which I seem to
remember it sometimes was. Kilo in that era was upper case, as in 500
Kcs. Then again the abbreviation Kcs was sometimes itself abbreviated
to Kc. All of this, and the ever popular "Colpitts Oscillator Question"
could be found on the FCC license exams of the day.

It's similar for capacitors. In that era, they were mainly mf for
microfarads [10^-6] or mmf for micromicrofarads [10^-12]. I do not
remember any that were kmf [kilomicrofarads - 10^3 mf]. No wonder we in
the USA are going metric inch by inch...

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/30/2019 1:49 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Skip,
>
> The proper way to represent units with kilo (10 exp 3) in it is with a
> lower case "k".
> "m" stands for milli (10 exp -3) while "M" stands for Mega (10 exp 6).
>
> Hz is capitalized because it is a man's name - Hertz.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>

ke9uw

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

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Hey! That’s my choice, Furlongs/Fortnight...

Chuck Jack Hawley
KE9UW

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> On Jul 30, 2019, at 3:26 PM, rich hurd WC3T <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> At the risk of arousing Eric’s ire I tender the unit of measure in the most
> obscure terms. Velocity in furlongs/fortnight, for example.
>
> Hey, I’m on vacation.
>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 15:59 Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yep, KMcs. Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those
>> who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still
>> used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>>> On 7/30/2019 8:56 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
>>> Oh, my. Does anyone remember "kilo-megacycles"? Guess we got that one
>>> fixed.
>>>
>>> 73...
>>> Randy, W8FN
>>
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Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

Think more long term. Velocity in Mega-parsecs per millennia.

Kevin. KD5ONS

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On 7/30/19 5:14 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

> Hey! That’s my choice, Furlongs/Fortnight...
>
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
>
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>
>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 3:26 PM, rich hurd WC3T <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> At the risk of arousing Eric’s ire I tender the unit of measure in the most
>> obscure terms. Velocity in furlongs/fortnight, for example.
>>
>> Hey, I’m on vacation.
>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 15:59 Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep, KMcs. Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those
>>> who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still
>>> used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>>> Washoe County
>>>
>>>> On 7/30/2019 8:56 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
>>>> Oh, my. Does anyone remember "kilo-megacycles"? Guess we got that one
>>>> fixed.
>>>>
>>>> 73...
>>>> Randy, W8FN
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Phil Kane-2

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On 7/30/2019 9:52 AM, Charlie T wrote:
> If a megameter is 1000 kilometers, what is a trigometer ?

Something you use before you learn calculus???

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On 7/30/2019 12:59 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> Yep, KMcs. Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those
> who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still
> used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)

Wrong! It's 500kc (no "s", no space) - so sez Great Father Dillman. I
gave up trying to convert him to the 21st Century. He also won't change
his local ruling about who he will let operate his Coast station to
conform to the FCC's rules.....

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

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Vic Rosenthal

Re: [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

In reply to this post by Jim KO5V

No. 14 is wrong, of course. One million microphones is one phone, and a million phones is a megaphone.

Victor 4X6GP

> On 31 Jul 2019, at 0:01, Jim KO5V <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> These are wonderful, but I didn't see the millihelen: the quantity of face required to launch only one ship.
>
> I really liked #17:, two kilomockingbirds...
>
> 73, Jim
>
> "Like these?:
>
> 1. Ratio of an igloo's circumference to its diameter = Eskimo Pi
>
> 2. 2000 pounds of Chinese soup = Won ton
>
> 3. 1 millionth of a mouthwash = 1 microscope
>
> 4. Time between slipping on a peel and smacking the pavement = 1
> bananosecond
>
> 5. Weight an evangelist carries with God = 1 billigram
>
> 6. Time it takes to sail 220 yards at 1 nautical mile per hour =
> Knotfurlong
>
> 7. 364.25 days of drinking low calorie beer = 1 Lite year
>
> 8. 16.5 feet in the Twilight Zone = 1 Rod Serling
>
> 9. Half a large intestine = 1 semicolon
>
> 10. 1,000,000 aches = 1 megahurtz
>
> 11. Basic unit of laryngitis - 1 hoarsepower
>
> 12. Shortest distance between two jokes - a straight line
>
> 13. 453.6 graham crackers = 1 pound cake
>
> 14. 1 million microphones = 1 megaphone
>
> 15. 1 million bicycles = 1 megacycles
>
> 16. 365.25 days = 1 unicycle
>
> 17. 2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds
>
> 18. 10 cards = 1 decacard
>
> 19. 52 cards = 1 deckacard
>
> 20. 1 kilogram of falling figs = 1 fig Newton
>
> 21. 1000 grams of wet socks = 1 literhosen
>
> 22. 1 millionth of a fish = 1 microfiche
>
> 23. 1 trillion pins = 1 terrapin
>
> 24. 10 rations = 1 decaration
>
> 25. 100 rations = 1 C-ration
>
> 26. 2 monograms = 1 diagram
>
> 27. 8 nickels = 2 paradigms
>
> 28. 2.4 statute miles of intravenous surgical tubing at Yale University
> Hospital = 1 I.V. League"
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