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Bob - W0GI

Re: What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800

I don't understand what you mean by "export" model. We can and could buy an amp that will produce power way over the limit. We just can't transmit over the limit. A Henry 2K will output 1500W and a 3K much more.

A 2500W amp driven at 60W to produce legal power is cleaner then an exciter and amp pushed to the limits.

The only rule I know of is that the amp won't have ten meters, and you will need to produce a ham license to get a ten meter kit.

> It must have been the "export" model. Full legal power in the "60's
> was 1KW input. Probably near half that out.

73,
Rick Dettinger K7MW

KK7P

Re: What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800

> The only rule I know of is that the amp won't have ten meters, and you will
> need to produce a ham license to get a ten meter kit.

On October 4, 2006 the FCC issued a Report and Order that did away with
that rule.

Now, according to FCC Rules Section 97.317, external amplifiers must not
operate between 26 and 28 MHz, and this restriction must not be easily
defeated.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO

Re: What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800

Didn't know about that rule change.

This is way OT, but... How would you do this and make it "not easily
defeated"? A filter, a trap... Those can be easily bypassed or removed. A
microcontroller that calculates the input frequency and only produces an
enabling signal when the input frequency is NOT 26-28 MHz? Easy, just supply
the enabling signal separately so it's "always on." (And what manufacturer
would ever go to that ridiculous extreme in design and cost anyway?)

I guess it depends on how you define "easily." LOL Maybe it's not "easily
defeated" if you have to open the cabinet and use a soldering iron...

Bill W5WVO

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>
>> The only rule I know of is that the amp won't have ten meters, and you
>> will
>> need to produce a ham license to get a ten meter kit.
>
> On October 4, 2006 the FCC issued a Report and Order that did away with
> that rule.
>
> Now, according to FCC Rules Section 97.317, external amplifiers must not
> operate between 26 and 28 MHz, and this restriction must not be easily
> defeated.
>
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
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Gary Smith-2

Re: What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800

I remember building my Heathkit 221.. the gem with the 10 meter trap
in it. It was ludicrous the extent they went to make adding 10 meters
difficult so you could have a 220 instead.

I've always felt if they would have made CB on VHF instead of
stealing 11 meters from USA hams, "Skip" wouldn't have happened on
VHF and the CW McAll stimulus to pirate CB "Good buddy" never would
have happened & we wouldn't have that silly FCC rule today.

It's so outdated, how many CB antennae on cars have you seen in the
last 30 days? How many people today would drill a hole in their car
to add a CB antenna...

Another rule without a cause...

Love my K3

Gary
KA1J

> Didn't know about that rule change.
>
> This is way OT, but... How would you do this and make it "not easily
> defeated"? A filter, a trap... Those can be easily bypassed or removed. A
> microcontroller that calculates the input frequency and only produces an
> enabling signal when the input frequency is NOT 26-28 MHz? Easy, just supply
> the enabling signal separately so it's "always on." (And what manufacturer
> would ever go to that ridiculous extreme in design and cost anyway?)
>
> I guess it depends on how you define "easily." LOL Maybe it's not "easily
> defeated" if you have to open the cabinet and use a soldering iron...
>
> Bill W5WVO
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lyle Johnson" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:20 AM
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800
>
> >
> >> The only rule I know of is that the amp won't have ten meters, and you
> >> will
> >> need to produce a ham license to get a ten meter kit.
> >
> > On October 4, 2006 the FCC issued a Report and Order that did away with
> > that rule.
> >
> > Now, according to FCC Rules Section 97.317, external amplifiers must not
> > operate between 26 and 28 MHz, and this restriction must not be easily
> > defeated.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Lyle KK7P
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Doug Turnbull

OT from KPA to CB and life blood for the hobby.

Hi All,
First off I was never on CB but came into ham radio the Novice route in
1960 I am just as pleased that the FCC tries to some degree to police what
can be put on eleven meters. Having said this, please let us remember that
many very good people have come into Ham Radio from the CB route and I do
mean good people. Some of these guys and gals do become avid CW ops even
and then go on to run code classes for others. It is not only true in the
USA but also in Ireland and other EU countries. The skip is one of the
things which really opens their eyes and makes Ham Radio interesting. I
hope that now with Sun Spots making some recovery that again we may have a
much needed infusion of new blood. I lecture in electronics and a
colleague asked me today if ours was not a dying hobby. Well, I was to
some extent dishonest and denied it but it is a worry. For that matter I
understand there is a dearth of good radio designers in the west these days.
It seems one area of engineering where being in the seventies is not so much
a disadvantage. We are most fortunate to have the good people in Elecraft.

73 Doug

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800

I remember building my Heathkit 221.. the gem with the 10 meter trap
in it. It was ludicrous the extent they went to make adding 10 meters
difficult so you could have a 220 instead.

I've always felt if they would have made CB on VHF instead of
stealing 11 meters from USA hams, "Skip" wouldn't have happened on
VHF and the CW McAll stimulus to pirate CB "Good buddy" never would
have happened & we wouldn't have that silly FCC rule today.

It's so outdated, how many CB antennae on cars have you seen in the
last 30 days? How many people today would drill a hole in their car
to add a CB antenna...

Another rule without a cause...

Love my K3

Gary
KA1J

> Didn't know about that rule change.
>
> This is way OT, but... How would you do this and make it "not easily
> defeated"? A filter, a trap... Those can be easily bypassed or removed. A
> microcontroller that calculates the input frequency and only produces an
> enabling signal when the input frequency is NOT 26-28 MHz? Easy, just
supply
> the enabling signal separately so it's "always on." (And what manufacturer

> would ever go to that ridiculous extreme in design and cost anyway?)
>
> I guess it depends on how you define "easily." LOL Maybe it's not "easily

> defeated" if you have to open the cabinet and use a soldering iron...
>
> Bill W5WVO
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lyle Johnson" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:20 AM
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800
>
> >
> >> The only rule I know of is that the amp won't have ten meters, and you
> >> will
> >> need to produce a ham license to get a ten meter kit.
> >
> > On October 4, 2006 the FCC issued a Report and Order that did away with
> > that rule.
> >
> > Now, according to FCC Rules Section 97.317, external amplifiers must not
> > operate between 26 and 28 MHz, and this restriction must not be easily
> > defeated.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Lyle KK7P
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K4KGG

Re: What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800

In reply to this post by srife

>Frankly, It seems to me that good QRO amps are a glut >on the market. (see THP, etc.)

>To be competitive in that market, any Elecraft offering >would have to be highly innovative and I just don't see >much more that can be done.

Gotta disagree with this comment. There is no Elecraft-quality amp kit on the market, indeed, maybe no 800, 1500 watt kits at all. But there are now almost 4000 K3 owners, many looking for amps with straight forward K3 hookups and compatibility with the K3. If you don't think hookup and compatibility of amps with the K3 are not an issue, you're not following the reflector. Furthermore no one competes with Elecraft on customer service. Again this reflector clearly demonstrates lots of interest in Elecraft amps.

>????????IMO, QRO is much more important than all >these trivial little toys they are building now. I have a >much more pressing need for a KPA-XXXX than
>I do a panadapter (with limited features) and a >wattmeter. I have a very nice panadapter that has rig >control from the computer, and it didn't cost
>700 bucks, and I can control it with the MOUSE

Gotta agree with this. Elecraft got left in the dust with their panadapter. For $25, I built a Softrock for Elecraft K3
that runs Power SDR If you don't want to.build a Softrock, buy an LP Pan for about $200. Again you can run Power SDR. Either way creates an inexpensive panadapter that provides an amazing visual display significantly larger than the P3 proposes. It provides 2 RX VFOs, even if your K3 has no subreceiver. It provides point and click mouse tuning. And it provides entry to the world of SDR. Elecraft's P3 apparently will not have I and Q jacks. This means no adventures in SDR land for the folks who buy it. It's clear SDR will have a significant role in the future of radio.

Wayne, Eric, WE WANT THE AMPS.

K4KGG, Larry, K3 # 799

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Doug Turnbull

Re: What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800

Wayne and Eric,
You are both smart engineers and business men. Survey your market
before you manufacture high power amplifiers with an associated high cost.
There are plenty of amplifiers on the market new and old which do exactly
what is needed and interfacing is not such a problem. No one wants
Elecraft a small company to get into financial trouble. Four thousand K3
owners are not looking for the LPA 800/1500.

No matter what some say there are a number of us waiting for the P3!!!

It will be your call and we all hope for the best.

73 Doug EI2CN

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>Frankly, It seems to me that good QRO amps are a glut >on the market. (see
THP, etc.)

>To be competitive in that market, any Elecraft offering >would have to be
highly innovative and I just don't see >much more that can be done.

Gotta disagree with this comment. There is no Elecraft-quality amp kit on
the market, indeed, maybe no 800, 1500 watt kits at all. But there are now
almost 4000 K3 owners, many looking for amps with straight forward K3
hookups and compatibility with the K3. If you don't think hookup and
compatibility of amps with the K3 are not an issue, you're not following the
reflector. Furthermore no one competes with Elecraft on customer service.
Again this reflector clearly demonstrates lots of interest in Elecraft amps.

>????????IMO, QRO is much more important than all >these trivial little toys
they are building now. I have a >much more pressing need for a KPA-XXXX than

>I do a panadapter (with limited features) and a >wattmeter. I have a very
nice panadapter that has rig >control from the computer, and it didn't cost
>700 bucks, and I can control it with the MOUSE

Gotta agree with this. Elecraft got left in the dust with their
panadapter. For $25, I built a Softrock for Elecraft K3
that runs Power SDR If you don't want to.build a Softrock, buy an LP Pan for
about $200. Again you can run Power SDR. Either way creates an inexpensive
panadapter that provides an amazing visual display significantly larger than
the P3 proposes. It provides 2 RX VFOs, even if your K3 has no subreceiver.
It provides point and click mouse tuning. And it provides entry to the world
of SDR. Elecraft's P3 apparently will not have I and Q jacks. This means no
adventures in SDR land for the folks who buy it. It's clear SDR will have a
significant role in the future of radio.

Wayne, Eric, WE WANT THE AMPS.

K4KGG, Larry, K3 # 799

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N2TK

Re: What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800

In reply to this post by GREG WILSON

Hi Greg,

I am still looking for the magical amp. Some get close, but not quite there
yet.
Presently I am using an Acom 2000A. It works very well. Puts out plenty of
smoke on 10-160M. I have a few sets of spare tubes so that should not be an
issue for quite some time. It has good QSK.
It is remoted - the amp is hanging for the basement ceiling about 3' below
my feet. It is nice just having the remote control unit in the shack. The
service from Acom has been wonderful.

The only drawbacks I have with it:
- 3 minute warm up time. So, most of the time the amp stays on during low
band season (winter). Don't really use the amp much for the high bands. But
want the capability if I feel I need it. Most of my non-contest QSO's are
barefoot.
- No 6M. That is the biggie. I would like to have one amp with everything in
one package so my next amp will include 6M.

By the way I think the 9500 and 87A are wonderful amps. So is THP 2.5. But
they don't run on 6M. The new SPE 2K sure looks interesting. Don't know
anything about them, yet.

I would like to see Elecraft come out with an amp that meets my needs:
- 160 - 6M
- Instant ON
- Can be remoted and controlled from a PC and/or a remote control head.
- Put out 1500W on at least 160-10M and reduced power on 6M.
- Can handle "continuous" duty for RTTY.
- None of my antennas need an antenna tuner so not really interested in that
feature. And being solid-state I would assume the amp would handle some
excursions of SWR without cutting back power.

If it comes in "kit" form I would assume it would be like a K3. I would
assume the amplifier boards and the switching power supply boards would come
finished and tested as building these could open a can of worms for some.
But many could handle the assembly and troubleshooting of high power amps.
Maybe it is not cost effective for Elecraft to do this? Maybe there is
potential liability with high power unless it is not offered as a kit?

Hey, I just may "need" a new toy?

This is just my opinion. It won't even buy me a cup of coffee.

73,
N2TK, Tony

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As far as I know, no one makes a full 1500 watt output, continuous-duty, no
time limit, "brick on the key" amplifier that covers 160-6 meters with full
QSK and "instant on". It would be nice to have a built in precision
wattmeter, too.

I'm sure some would also like an auto-tuner, antenna switch w/ memories,
dummy load, monitor scope...etc. It could be "optioned" just like the K3 so
cost could be adjusted to the budget of the buyer...

73 de Greg-N4CC

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Frankly, It seems to me that good QRO amps are a glut on the market. (see
THP, etc.)

To be competitive in that market, any Elecraft offering would have to be
highly

innovative and I just don't see much more that can be done.

IMHO

Doug, W6JD

K2 #1626

K3 #23
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800

        YES! That is exactly the question I would like to ask. I very much
looked forward to the release a couple of years ago, and now you can't even
get a comment from Elecraft about the situation.

        IMO, QRO is much more important than all these trivial little toys
they are building now. I have a much more pressing need for a KPA-XXXX than
I do a panadapter (with limited features) and a wattmeter. I have a very
nice panadapter that has rig control from the computer, and it didn't cost
700 bucks, and I can control it with the MOUSE.

        Wayne/Eric, how about some comments on this subject. At least tell
us what the future holds for the KPAs. I'm holding off buying a new amp till

the KPAs are released.

Stan Rife
W5EWA

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What happened to the Elecraft Amps? Did they get beyond 'proto: gee I want
one' stage?
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Bruce McLaughlin-2

Re: What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800

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I believe a firm known as Dishtronic makes the Prometheus amplifier which has most of the characteristics you mention except it does not have a built-in antenna tuner. Unfortunately, its price range is from over $10,000 to more than $13,000, depending on which power supply you select for it, either a switching or analog supply. Of course, it is hardly a mass market item.

Bruce-W8FU

On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Greg wrote:

> As far as I know, no one makes a full 1500 watt output, continuous-duty, no
> time limit, "brick on the key" amplifier that covers 160-6 meters with full
> QSK and "instant on". It would be nice to have a built in precision
> wattmeter, too.
>
> I'm sure some would also like an auto-tuner, antenna switch w/ memories,
> dummy load, monitor scope...etc. It could be "optioned" just like the K3 so
> cost could be adjusted to the budget of the buyer...
>
> 73 de Greg-N4CC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:13 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800
>
>
>
> Frankly, It seems to me that good QRO amps are a glut on the market. (see
> THP, etc.)
>
> To be competitive in that market, any Elecraft offering would have to be
> highly
>
> innovative and I just don't see much more that can be done.
>
>
>
> IMHO
>
>
>
> Doug, W6JD
>
> K2 #1626
>
> K3 #23
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:08:37 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] What became of the Elecraft's KPA1500 and KPA 800
>
> YES! That is exactly the question I would like to ask. I very much
> looked forward to the release a couple of years ago, and now you can't even
> get a comment from Elecraft about the situation.
>
> IMO, QRO is much more important than all these trivial little toys
> they are building now. I have a much more pressing need for a KPA-XXXX than
> I do a panadapter (with limited features) and a wattmeter. I have a very
> nice panadapter that has rig control from the computer, and it didn't cost
> 700 bucks, and I can control it with the MOUSE.
>
> Wayne/Eric, how about some comments on this subject. At least tell
> us what the future holds for the KPAs. I'm holding off buying a new amp till
>
> the KPAs are released.
>
> Stan Rife
> W5EWA
>
>
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>
>
> What happened to the Elecraft Amps? Did they get beyond 'proto: gee I want
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