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Roger Crofts

When is mode A not mode A?

I love my KX3 and its little paddle. Unfortunately my keying is full of mistakes. When I send the letter C for example, it often comes out as CT or K. I thought the KX3 must be set to mode B keying, but no, it was on mode A. I originally learnt to send on an ETM-3b squeeze keyer many moons ago. The ETM-3b is a mode A keyer. I tried plugging a Bencher paddle into the KX3 but the problem remained, so the paddle is not the problem. Is the mode A, that I am used to, somehow different to the mode A in the KX3?

Roger, VK4YB

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Ken Alexander-2

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

It sounds like you have a Mode A keyer and a Mode B hand Roger! There's a switch somewhere to change your hand back to Mode A. Hope you kept the manual!! :-)

73 - Ken
VE3HLS

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On Wed, 10/21/15, Roger Crofts <[hidden email]> wrote:

Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A?
To: "elecraft reflector" <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2015, 6:04 PM

I love my KX3 and its little paddle.
Unfortunately my keying is full of mistakes. When I send the
letter C for example, it often comes out as CT or K. I
thought the KX3 must be set to mode B keying, but no, it was
on mode A. I originally learnt to send on an ETM-3b squeeze
keyer many moons ago. The ETM-3b is a mode A keyer. I tried
plugging a Bencher paddle into the KX3 but the problem
remained, so the paddle is not the problem. Is the mode A,
that I am used to, somehow different to the mode A in the
KX3?

Roger, VK4YB

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k6dgw

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

In reply to this post by Roger Crofts

I don't have a KX3 but I do have a KX1, K2, K3, and a Winkey, and all of
them are set for Iambic A and they all work like they are. Anything I
send on Iambic B comes out encrypted.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 10/21/2015 3:04 PM, Roger Crofts wrote:

> I love my KX3 and its little paddle. Unfortunately my keying is full
> of mistakes. When I send the letter C for example, it often comes out
> as CT or K. I thought the KX3 must be set to mode B keying, but no,
> it was on mode A. I originally learnt to send on an ETM-3b squeeze
> keyer many moons ago. The ETM-3b is a mode A keyer. I tried plugging
> a Bencher paddle into the KX3 but the problem remained, so the paddle
> is not the problem. Is the mode A, that I am used to, somehow
> different to the mode A in the KX3?
>
> Roger, VK4YB

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Mike Morrow-3

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

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> Unfortunately my keying is full of mistakes. When I send the letter C
> for example, it often comes out as CT or K. I thought the KX3 must be
> set to mode B keying, but no, it was on mode A.

What you report is completely contradictory.

If C is the desired character:

A Mode A operator using a Mode B keyer can easily end up sending -.-.-
A Mode B operator using a Mode A keyer can easily end up sending -.-

Mode B keyers end an iambic string with
* a dash if the paddles are released during a dot, or
* a dot if the paddles are released during a dash.

Mode A keyers end an iambic string with:
* the dash if the paddles are released during that dash, or
* the dot if the paddles are released during that dot.

Mode B keyers ALWAYS add a character element for which no paddle closure has taken place at the end of an iambic string.

Mode A keyers NEVER add a character element unless there has been paddle closure for that element.

Most find Mode B paddle timing to be more critical than Mode A, even though Mode B does NOT eliminate any paddle manipulation.

I find Elecraft's implementation of Mode A to be excellent. Almost all Asian ham rig makers stupidly impose Mode B only. Several years ago I asked QST to report the iambic keying modes available on any rig being reviewed. Since then QST has been very good about including that information.

Mike / KK5F
(Mode A always!)

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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

Great explanation........specially for an old fellow {me}, trying to
learn to use an Iambic paddle.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10163

On 10/21/2015 9:31 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

>> nfortunately my keying is full of mistakes. When I send the letter C
>> >for example, it often comes out as CT or K. I thought the KX3 must be
>> >set to mode B keying, but no, it was on mode A.
> What you report is completely contradictory.
>
> If C is the desired character:
>
> A Mode A operator using a Mode B keyer can easily end up sending -.-.-
> A Mode B operator using a Mode A keyer can easily end up sending -.-
>
> Mode B keyers end an iambic string with
> * a dash if the paddles are released during a dot, or
> * a dot if the paddles are released during a dash.
>
> Mode A keyers end an iambic string with:
> * the dash if the paddles are released during that dash, or
> * the dot if the paddles are released during that dot.
>
> Mode B keyers ALWAYS add a character element for which no paddle closure has taken place at the end of an iambic string.
>
> Mode A keyers NEVER add a character element unless there has been paddle closure for that element.
>
> Most find Mode B paddle timing to be more critical than Mode A, even though Mode B does NOT eliminate any paddle manipulation.
>
> I find Elecraft's implementation of Mode A to be excellent. Almost all Asian ham rig makers stupidly impose Mode B only. Several years ago I asked QST to report the iambic keying modes available on any rig being reviewed. Since then QST has been very good about including that information.
>
> Mike / KK5F
> (Mode A always!)

Vic Rosenthal

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

In reply to this post by Roger Crofts

Keyers are very different. For example, I am a mode B guy and a
'squeezer', but I find mode B on the Logikey, the K3 and the WinKeyer
have different timing demands. I have beaten myself into being able to
use the K3 keyer despite formerly using the Logikey, but I had to make a
conscious effort to do so.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

Vic

On 22 Oct 2015 01:04, Roger Crofts wrote:

w7aqk

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

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Hi All,

I must be totally dense, but after 60 years of this stuff (and 40 years or
so of it with a keyer and paddle), I just don't get the advantage of Mode B!
I understand what Mode B does, or is supposed to do, but I don't see the
benefit really. Although I use an "iambic" paddle, I don't use the iambic
method, so probably that is the issue. However, how many folks really do
use "iambic"? Not many based on the "survey" I've had going for a good
while now. If I hear anything at all about Mode B, it is usually
complaints!

As for the gentleman's question about why his "Mode A" is acting like "Mode
B", I'd be inclined to suspect that the rig is not actually placing itself
in Mode A. Does this suggest the need to try a "reset"? Either that, or
maybe it's only a paddle adjustment? Have someone else use your equipment
to see if they get the same result. FWIW, both my K3 and my KX3 are in Mode
A, and I have no problems with either. I do recall a time or two in the
past when I was getting funny results, primarily due to RF getting into the
paddle cable. However, that was usually manifested by the keyer taking off
in an endless string of "dit-dahs".

Dave W7AQK

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"Hjalmar Duklæt"

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

Hi.
Well, I for one use mode B and have always done so. Probably because my first keyer only had mode B and secondly because I wanted to use the squeeze tchnique, as I thought that was the ultimate way to send morse code. I have no problems with mode B, but cannot use mode A without a lot of errors, also on my KX3. So I'm sure the KX3 mode B is really mode B, and that KX3 mode A is something else, probably mode A.
73 de Hal/la4xx

On 15-10-22 11:11, w7aqk <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> I must be totally dense, but after 60 years of this stuff (and 40 years or so of it with a keyer and paddle), I just don't get the advantage of Mode B! I understand what Mode B does, or is supposed to do, but I don't see the benefit really. Although I use an "iambic" paddle, I don't use the iambic method, so probably that is the issue. However, how many folks really do use "iambic"? Not many based on the "survey" I've had going for a good while now. If I hear anything at all about Mode B, it is usually complaints!
>
> As for the gentleman's question about why his "Mode A" is acting like "Mode B", I'd be inclined to suspect that the rig is not actually placing itself in Mode A. Does this suggest the need to try a "reset"? Either that, or maybe it's only a paddle adjustment? Have someone else use your equipment to see if they get the same result. FWIW, both my K3 and my KX3 are in Mode A, and I have no problems with either. I do recall a time or two in the past when I was getting funny results, primarily due to RF getting into the paddle cable. However, that was usually manifested by the keyer taking off in an endless string of "dit-dahs".
>
> Dave W7AQK
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

In reply to this post by Vic Rosenthal

Mode B on the Logikey is not the same as Mode B in Winkeyer, K3 or
AccuKeyer (the original "Mode B"). Logikey makes the "opposite
element" decision at the end of the first dit period whereas the
normal Mode B implementation makes the opposite element decision
at the beginning of the element.

Because of this delayed decision one can "drag" the paddles a bit
and not have the extra element at the end of the character.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 10/22/2015 1:49 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:

> Keyers are very different. For example, I am a mode B guy and a
> 'squeezer', but I find mode B on the Logikey, the K3 and the WinKeyer
> have different timing demands. I have beaten myself into being able to
> use the K3 keyer despite formerly using the Logikey, but I had to make a
> conscious effort to do so.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
>

daleputnam

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

In reply to this post by "Hjalmar Duklæt"

I have also always used mode B, send lots of errors with mode A, am NOT interested in relearning how to send with mode A, and will not bother with trying to use mode A. However,if mode A is all that is available.. I WILL use my SK. Slower, sure, but no errors either.
Have a great day,

--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy

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gm3sek

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

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This discussion emphasizes the oft-repeated point that the built-in
keyer firmware (shared by the K3, K3S and KX3) is really rather basic,
lacking many CW features that are present in a $6 Winkeyer chip for
example.

And before someone says "So get a Winkeyer already!" please remember
these three points:

1. Portability and excellent CW operation have always been prime feature
of the Elecraft range... but both of those claims falter if significant
numbers of owners are forced to use external accessories.

2. Elecraft transceivers are uniquely dependent on the built-in keyer,
which MUST be used when sending RTTY and PSK31 from the paddle.

3. We're all "wired" differently as regards high-speed fine motor skills
- meaning that each one of us is somewhere along a very broad spectrum.
Nobody is qualified to judge whether the built-in keyers are adequate
through their own experience alone.

73 from Ian GM3SEK

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>Joe Subich, W4TV
>Sent: 22 October 2015 13:40
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A?
>
>
>Mode B on the Logikey is not the same as Mode B in Winkeyer, K3 or
>AccuKeyer (the original "Mode B"). Logikey makes the "opposite
>element" decision at the end of the first dit period whereas the
>normal Mode B implementation makes the opposite element decision
>at the beginning of the element.
>
>Because of this delayed decision one can "drag" the paddles a bit
>and not have the extra element at the end of the character.
>
>73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>On 10/22/2015 1:49 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
>> Keyers are very different. For example, I am a mode B guy and a
>> 'squeezer', but I find mode B on the Logikey, the K3 and the WinKeyer
>> have different timing demands. I have beaten myself into being able

to
>> use the K3 keyer despite formerly using the Logikey, but I had to
make a

>> conscious effort to do so.
>>
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>
>>
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ae4pb

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

Ian,
Forgive me if these are stupid questions;
What are you SPECIFICALLY referring to?
So far the thread has meandered between different manufacturer
implementations using the same names... i.e. "Mode A" and "Mode B".
I'm not aware of any standards for modes on keyers or even anything else for
that matter. Just guidelines and what's been usually done.

If we want more features in Elecraft gear it's probably a trivial thing to
just ask.

What CW features specifically are NEEDED but lacking?

Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.

<snip>
-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian
White
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:26 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A?

This discussion emphasizes the oft-repeated point that the built-in keyer
firmware (shared by the K3, K3S and KX3) is really rather basic, lacking
many CW features that are present in a $6 Winkeyer chip for example.
And before someone says "So get a Winkeyer already!" please remember these
three points:
1. Portability and excellent CW operation have always been prime feature of
the Elecraft range... but both of those claims falter if significant numbers
of owners are forced to use external accessories.
2. Elecraft transceivers are uniquely dependent on the built-in keyer, which
MUST be used when sending RTTY and PSK31 from the paddle.
3. We're all "wired" differently as regards high-speed fine motor skills
- meaning that each one of us is somewhere along a very broad spectrum.
Nobody is qualified to judge whether the built-in keyers are adequate
through their own experience alone.

73 from Ian GM3SEK
</snip>

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bob finger-2

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

The old LogiKey K3 keyer has 10 emulation modes. I built an AccuKeyer way
back when and still use its emulation on the LogiKey. I would have said K3
but that would be misleading. I've never even tried the keyer in the K3 as
I know my cw would be terrible without the AccuKeyer emulation. 73 bob de
w9ge

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:07 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ian,
> Forgive me if these are stupid questions;
> What are you SPECIFICALLY referring to?
> So far the thread has meandered between different manufacturer
> implementations using the same names... i.e. "Mode A" and "Mode B".
> I'm not aware of any standards for modes on keyers or even anything else
> for
> that matter. Just guidelines and what's been usually done.
>
> If we want more features in Elecraft gear it's probably a trivial thing to
> just ask.
>
> What CW features specifically are NEEDED but lacking?
>
> Jerry Moore
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
> Patriotic.
>
> <snip>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian
> White
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:26 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A?
>
> This discussion emphasizes the oft-repeated point that the built-in keyer
> firmware (shared by the K3, K3S and KX3) is really rather basic, lacking
> many CW features that are present in a $6 Winkeyer chip for example.
> And before someone says "So get a Winkeyer already!" please remember these
> three points:
> 1. Portability and excellent CW operation have always been prime feature of
> the Elecraft range... but both of those claims falter if significant
> numbers
> of owners are forced to use external accessories.
> 2. Elecraft transceivers are uniquely dependent on the built-in keyer,
> which
> MUST be used when sending RTTY and PSK31 from the paddle.
> 3. We're all "wired" differently as regards high-speed fine motor skills
> - meaning that each one of us is somewhere along a very broad spectrum.
> Nobody is qualified to judge whether the built-in keyers are adequate
> through their own experience alone.
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> </snip>
>
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gm3sek

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

Bob has kindly answered some of Jerry's questions while I was away in
town. It's about needing a range of choices in keyer behaviour (aka
emulations) so that almost any experienced user can select a familiar
'feel' that allows them to start keying accurately and up to speed
straight away.

For that reason, K1EL's K16 keyer (correction: now costing a whole $8)
offers six emulations and the LogiKeyer series offers no less than ten.
Why so many? Because each one is important to somebody, and those
differences *matter*.

By contrast, the K3 offers only two emulations - the most minimal range
of choice which falls far short of supporting all users. For the world's
best CW rig, that really doesn't seem right.

73 from Ian GM3SEK

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>bob finger
>Sent: 22 October 2015 17:31
>To: [hidden email]
>Cc: Ian White; [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A?
>
>The old LogiKey K3 keyer has 10 emulation modes. I built an AccuKeyer
>way
>back when and still use its emulation on the LogiKey. I would have

said K3
>but that would be misleading. I've never even tried the keyer in the
K3 as

>I know my cw would be terrible without the AccuKeyer emulation. 73 bob
>de
>w9ge
>
>On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:07 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Ian,
>> Forgive me if these are stupid questions;
>> What are you SPECIFICALLY referring to?
>> So far the thread has meandered between different manufacturer
>> implementations using the same names... i.e. "Mode A" and "Mode B".
>> I'm not aware of any standards for modes on keyers or even anything

else
>> for
>> that matter. Just guidelines and what's been usually done.
>>
>> If we want more features in Elecraft gear it's probably a trivial
thing to
>> just ask.
>>
>> What CW features specifically are NEEDED but lacking?
>>
>> Jerry Moore
>> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
>> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
>> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced,
and

>> Patriotic.
>>
>> <snip>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>Ian
>> White
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:26 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A?
>>
>> This discussion emphasizes the oft-repeated point that the built-in

keyer
>> firmware (shared by the K3, K3S and KX3) is really rather basic,
lacking
>> many CW features that are present in a $6 Winkeyer chip for example.
>> And before someone says "So get a Winkeyer already!" please remember
>these
>> three points:
>> 1. Portability and excellent CW operation have always been prime
feature
>of
>> the Elecraft range... but both of those claims falter if significant
>> numbers
>> of owners are forced to use external accessories.
>> 2. Elecraft transceivers are uniquely dependent on the built-in
keyer,
>> which
>> MUST be used when sending RTTY and PSK31 from the paddle.
>> 3. We're all "wired" differently as regards high-speed fine motor
skills
>> - meaning that each one of us is somewhere along a very broad
spectrum.

>> Nobody is qualified to judge whether the built-in keyers are adequate
>> through their own experience alone.
>>
>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>> </snip>
>>
>>
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ae4pb

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've
seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes.
Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want?

You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your
intent.
Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread.

Jerry Moore
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KY7K

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

In reply to this post by gm3sek

Ultimatic mode, in addition to Iambic A and B.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:54 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've
> seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes.
> Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want?
>
> You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your
> intent.
> Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread.
>
>
> Jerry Moore
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
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> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
> Patriotic.
>
>

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Ken Alexander-2

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

Maybe Wayne and Eric should talk to K1EL about licensing (or whatever it
is one has to do) so they can use his famous $8.00 keyer chip in their
transceivers. K1EL would make a little money and Elecraft would set
themselves even further ahead of the pack by providing just about any
keyer you can imagine right out of the box!

73,
Ken Alexander
VE3HLS

On 2015-10-22 10:00 PM, ky7k wrote:

> Ultimatic mode, in addition to Iambic A and B.
>
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:54 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>> I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've
>> seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes.
>> Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want?
>>
>> You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your
>> intent.
>> Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread.
>>
>>
>> Jerry Moore
>> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
>> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
>> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
>> Patriotic.
>>
>>
> Steve - KY7K
> [hidden email]
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ae4pb

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

Because MCU does the heavy lifting right now and integrates with a ton of
other features in the rig (per the manual). It would likely be much simpler
to modify the keyer code, add variables, add settings, add the settings to
mapped memory, add the memory locations to the menu and utility.

I have no actual clue how they do things but based on my knowledge and
experience that's what makes sense to me. It's not a trivial change which is
why I was saying to be specific. I don't believe they can straight out copy
someone else's mode, however, they can likely mimic the behavior *shrug*.
It's probably a good time for this one to close..

Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
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Patriotic.

<snip>
-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ken
Alexander
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:10 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A?
Maybe Wayne and Eric should talk to K1EL about licensing (or whatever it is
one has to do) so they can use his famous $8.00 keyer chip in their
transceivers. K1EL would make a little money and Elecraft would set
themselves even further ahead of the pack by providing just about any keyer
you can imagine right out of the box!
73,
Ken Alexander
VE3HLS
</snip>

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Vic Rosenthal

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

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I want Logikey-type mode B.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On 23 Oct 2015, at 4:54 AM, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've
> seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes.
> Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want?
>
> You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your
> intent.
> Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread.
>
>
> Jerry Moore
> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
> Patriotic.
>
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Ken Chandler

Re: When is mode A not mode A?

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Hi Ken
I like your idea too, would be fab having the K1EL chip in the Elecraft K3.

Ken.. G0ORH

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> On 23 Oct 2015, at 03:10, Ken Alexander <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Maybe Wayne and Eric should talk to K1EL about licensing (or whatever it is one has to do) so they can use his famous $8.00 keyer chip in their transceivers. K1EL would make a little money and Elecraft would set themselves even further ahead of the pack by providing just about any keyer you can imagine right out of the box!
>
> 73,
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
>
>
>
>> On 2015-10-22 10:00 PM, ky7k wrote:
>> Ultimatic mode, in addition to Iambic A and B.
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:54 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>
>>> I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've
>>> seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes.
>>> Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want?
>>>
>>> You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your
>>> intent.
>>> Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry Moore
>>> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
>>> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>>> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
>>> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
>>> Patriotic.
>> Steve - KY7K
>> [hidden email]
>> Get OUT and play radio!
>>
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