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JIM DAVIS-11

Where is it in the MANUAL???

I'd like to SET the internal clock of the K3 to be somewhere near accurate, but where is that
EXPLAINED IN THE K3 manual?

Jim/nn6ee

PS,
Even Elecraft needs to EXPLAIN more in the manuals because not ALL OF US ARE "IT" GENIUSES!!!

Jim/nn6ee
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Bob Cunnings NW8L

Re: Where is it in the MANUAL???

It's described in the "Miscellaneous Setup" section under the "Time
and Date" heading - on page 47 of the K3 Owners Manual.

Bob NW8L

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:11 PM, JIM DAVIS <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'd like to SET the internal clock of the K3 to be somewhere near accurate, but where is that
> EXPLAINED IN THE K3 manual?
>
> Jim/nn6ee
>
> PS,
> Even Elecraft needs to EXPLAIN more in the manuals because not ALL OF US ARE "IT" GENIUSES!!!
>
> Jim/nn6ee
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S Sacco

Re: Where is it in the MANUAL???

In reply to this post by JIM DAVIS-11

Whatever you do:

1) Do NOT look at the K3 Owner's Manual
2) ESPECIALLY, do NOT look at the "Contents"
3) Really, do NOT look under the "Configuration" section in "Contents"
4) If it's the last thing you do, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES look at the
"Miscellaneous Setup" line, which would indicate Page 47.
5) If, my some horrible mistake, you actually go to page 47, DO NOT READ the
section where it says:

Time and Date
CONFIG:TIME sets the 24-hour real-time-clock
(RTC). Tap 1 / 2 / 3 to adjust HH/MM/SS using
VFO A. This URL shows UTC as well as all U.S.
time zones: tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/timer.pl
CONFIG:DATE MD selects US (MM.DD.YY). or
EU (DD.MM.YY) date format using VFO A.
CONFIG:DATE is used to set the date. Tap 1 / 2 /
3 to adjust MM/DD/YY or DD/MM/YY.

In my older version of the manual, it was found on page 44.

;-)

73,
Steve NN4X <-- in UPPERCASE, 'cause I'm proud of my callsign.
Saint Cloud, Florida

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM, JIM DAVIS <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'd like to SET the internal clock of the K3 to be somewhere near accurate,
> but where is that
> EXPLAINED IN THE K3 manual?
>
> Jim/nn6ee
>
> PS,
> Even Elecraft needs to EXPLAIN more in the manuals because not ALL OF US
> ARE "IT" GENIUSES!!!
>
> Jim/nn6ee
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Tom Hammond-2

Re: Where is it in the MANUAL???

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Jim:

>I'd like to SET the internal clock of the K3 to be somewhere near
>accurate, but where is that EXPLAINED IN THE K3 manual?
>
>PS,
>Even Elecraft needs to EXPLAIN more in the manuals because not ALL
>OF US ARE "IT" GENIUSES!!!

It's on page 47 of the rev D2 manual:

Time and Date

CONFIG:TIME sets the 24-hour real-time-clock
(RTC). Tap [1] / [2] / [3] to adjust HH/MM/SS using
VFO A. This URL shows UTC as well as all U.S.
time zones:

tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/timer.pl

CONFIG:DATE MD selects US (MM.DD.YY). or
EU (DD.MM.YY) date format using VFO A.
CONFIG:DATE is used to set the date. Tap [1] / [2] /
[3] to adjust MM/DD/YY or DD/MM/YY.

Were I you, I'd strongly consider downloading the PDF version of the Manual
and then use Acrobat reader (free) to SEARCH for words (like "CLOCK") within
the PDF... a really EASY way to find subjects you can't find otherwise in the
Manual.

73,

Tom Hammond N0SS
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Sid K3SX

Re: Where is it in the MANUAL???

I echo this. I immediately downloaded the manual when I got my K3 in
January and have saved countless moments of frustration by searching.
Sometimes the keyword is not what you expect it to be and having the
ability to electronically thumb through the manual is a huge plus.
73,
Sid K3SX

> Were I you, I'd strongly consider downloading the PDF version of the Manual
> and then use Acrobat reader (free) to SEARCH for words (like "CLOCK") within
> the PDF... a really EASY way to find subjects you can't find otherwise in the
> Manual.
>
> 73,
>
> Tom Hammond N0SS
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w7aqk

Re: Where is it in the MANUAL???

In reply to this post by S Sacco

Jim, Steve, and All,

Well, Steve is being a little hard on Jim, but the point is that most
questions are answerable in the manual---somewhere! The problem is that the
"contents" page at the front isn't all that helpful with regard to many
specific questions. A lot of things you want to find out more about aren't
going to be specifically identified there. The manual really needs a good
index. Maybe one day that will happen. In the meantime, one of the best
ways to track down stuff is to use the "online" version of the manual, and
do a search. Choosing the right key word is always tricky, but that seems
to be a good option.

Speaking of the manual! I just received my 2nd RX. Included in the packet
is an installation guide, which had several sheets of errata. In this case,
2 full pages are completely replaced. Since the manuals are all spiral
bound, it isn't that easy to insert updates. However, it can be done if you
have a little patience, and carefully unbind the manual, then re-insert the
binding after inserting the updates. Problem is, the update pages are not
pre-punched. I sure wish Elecraft would do that (most of us don't have the
little gadget that punches holes for spiral binding), especially when there
are complete pages that need to be replaced. Alternatively, I would just as
soon Elecraft not bind their manuals at all! It's not too difficult (or
costly) for us to buy our own 3 hole punch (or whatever system you want to
use), and then updating would be considerably easier. Yes, I know we can
make our own copies and do that, but printer ink cartridges are very
expensive, and mass duplication is fairly inexpensive on a per copy basis.

Spiral binding is a very inexpensive process comparatively, but it wasn't
meant for documents requiring frequent updates. It was designed for
reports, etc. that are in final form. Just about every updatable manual
system you find in business employs some sort of ring binding system to
facilitate easy updating. It also makes it much easier to insert your own
notes, etc. Also, once a manual has been punched for spiral binding, it
can't be repunched for ring binding very effectively because the old
punching process weakens the new holes.

Lastly, a ring binder system would enable you to put all your accessory
manuals in a "tabbed" section with the main manual, and in a single binder.

I know I'm spitting into the wind, but I hope Elecraft will re-evaluate
their manual process in the future. We are fortunate to have a radio that
keeps evolving. I think the manual system for it should be improved to
better support it.

Dave W7AQK

----- Original Message -----
From: "S Sacco" <[hidden email]>
To: "JIM DAVIS" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where is it in the MANUAL???

> Whatever you do:
>
> 1) Do NOT look at the K3 Owner's Manual
> 2) ESPECIALLY, do NOT look at the "Contents"
> 3) Really, do NOT look under the "Configuration" section in "Contents"
> 4) If it's the last thing you do, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES look at
> the
> "Miscellaneous Setup" line, which would indicate Page 47.
> 5) If, my some horrible mistake, you actually go to page 47, DO NOT READ
> the
> section where it says:
>
> Time and Date
> CONFIG:TIME sets the 24-hour real-time-clock
> (RTC). Tap 1 / 2 / 3 to adjust HH/MM/SS using
> VFO A. This URL shows UTC as well as all U.S.
> time zones: tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/timer.pl
> CONFIG:DATE MD selects US (MM.DD.YY). or
> EU (DD.MM.YY) date format using VFO A.
> CONFIG:DATE is used to set the date. Tap 1 / 2 /
> 3 to adjust MM/DD/YY or DD/MM/YY.
>
>
> In my older version of the manual, it was found on page 44.
>
> ;-)
>
> 73,
> Steve NN4X <-- in UPPERCASE, 'cause I'm proud of my callsign.
> Saint Cloud, Florida
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM, JIM DAVIS <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to SET the internal clock of the K3 to be somewhere near
>> accurate,
>> but where is that
>> EXPLAINED IN THE K3 manual?
>>
>> Jim/nn6ee
>>
>> PS,
>> Even Elecraft needs to EXPLAIN more in the manuals because not ALL OF US
>> ARE "IT" GENIUSES!!!
>>
>> Jim/nn6ee
>> ______________________________________________________________
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Where is it in the MANUAL???

Dave and All,

An index has already happened.
Take a look at the manual currently on the Elecraft website Rev D2,
January 1, 2009.
That version of the manual *does* have an Index, and has been shipping
with K3s since early January.

Download the .pdf version of the manual and you can use the search
function of Adobe Reader to find things in the manual as well.

73,
Don W3FPR

dyarnes wrote:
> Jim, Steve, and All,
>
> ... The manual really needs a good index. ...
>
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