Which Heil Prosets should we carry?
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Dear Eric,
My vote would be for the Pro Set Plus. I have used one fairly intensively for upwards of 4 years, mainly for chasing ssb dx on 80m. The headphones are sensitive and comfortable and most of the time I use the HC4 mic insert for its penetrating qualities but I also use the HC5 for less demanding contacts. I'm itching to use the Pro Set Plus with my K3, ordered with deposit on 11 May and now getting tantalisingly close to shipment! Happy New Year to you, Wayne, all at Elecraft and all list subscribers. Geoff G3UCK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a recent message, Ken Kopp <[hidden email]> writes
>The stiff cord on the MH-2 is capable of dragging the radio around the >desk before it yields. It's very "stiff". The MH-2 certainly drags my K2 around with it. I have considered changing the curly cable for a more flexible one and will do so when I find the time. I wonder why Elecraft have not asked for a more suitable cable to be fitted to this microphone? That could make the MH-2 more popular. 73 -- David G4DMP West Yorkshire, England, UK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi,
> 25 db supression earphones that put your head in a vise are bad enough > for a 5 hour flight. I would not relish that for a 48 hour contest. Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6 feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot zulu denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I find it almost impossible. Most of the serious contesters here in southern and eastern Bavaria use passive suppression pilot headsets, so I'm not the only one who prefers them. I can see that the pressure on the ears might be a reason not to want to use this kind of headset. They are a fairly tight fit, but I still prefer them to every Heil Headset I have come across, because of the 25dB suppression. I would not call them a vise though. vy 73 de toby PS: Panzerkopfhörer (e.g. for camera operators at rock concerts) are much less comfortable but have even more passive suppression of the surroundings. They are also very heavy. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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too bad the computer industry doesn't have any nice desk microphones
as it does have some GREAT headsets. like from "altec" "koss" or logitek ..comfy...with a boom electret,,,,,I noticed a "telex" brand baby shotgun desk mic , that would work.... but needs a ptt switch... How about a tiny interface box that simply accepts the two plugs from the typical computer headset, with a ptt switch on it...and maybe even four buttons to fire off the memories in the K3 ???????? ( by then I hope Wayne has a way to plug such a remote memory switch into the radio).... I course I do realize that all K3 owners could construct such an appliance easily. ( I did this for my K2 portable setup, even had a radioshack memory sound chip in the hand held controller) ...to keep saying cqcqcq qrp ny9h ) bill bill _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Bose has the Bose Aviation-X - $995.00
I always use my Bose noise cancelling cans for CW operating but I am not sure I want to shell out $995.00 to get the microphone too! Jay - KT5E Toby Deinhardt wrote: > Hi, > > > 25 db supression earphones that put your head in a vise are bad enough > > for a 5 hour flight. I would not relish that for a 48 hour contest. > > Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6 > feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot > zulu denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I > find it almost impossible. Most of the serious contesters here in > southern and eastern Bavaria use passive suppression pilot headsets, > so I'm not the only one who prefers them. I can see that the pressure > on the ears might be a reason not to want to use this kind of headset. > They are a fairly tight fit, but I still prefer them to every Heil > Headset I have come across, because of the 25dB suppression. I would > not call them a vise though. > > vy 73 de toby > > > PS: Panzerkopfhörer (e.g. for camera operators at rock concerts) are > much less comfortable but have even more passive suppression of the > surroundings. They are also very heavy. > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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One contest group purchases the Bose NR headsets, and then adds a mike
boom to them. - David Wilburn [hidden email] K4DGW K2 S/N 5982 On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 23:00 +0100, Toby Deinhardt wrote: > Hi, > > > 25 db supression earphones that put your head in a vise are bad enough > > for a 5 hour flight. I would not relish that for a 48 hour contest. > > Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6 > feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot zulu > denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I find it > almost impossible. Most of the serious contesters here in southern and > eastern Bavaria use passive suppression pilot headsets, so I'm not the > only one who prefers them. I can see that the pressure on the ears might > be a reason not to want to use this kind of headset. They are a fairly > tight fit, but I still prefer them to every Heil Headset I have come > across, because of the 25dB suppression. I would not call them a vise > though. > > vy 73 de toby > > > PS: Panzerkopfhörer (e.g. for camera operators at rock concerts) are > much less comfortable but have even more passive suppression of the > surroundings. They are also very heavy. > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Now I like that - I have a pair of BOSE Quiet Comfort 2 headphones and they
are extremely good, very comfortable etc - I fine they do tend to make your ears a little hot though. On 28/12/07 23:47, "David Wilburn" <[hidden email]> sent: > One contest group purchases the Bose NR headsets, and then adds a mike > boom to them. -- Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that! -Lewis Carroll, mathematician and writer (1832-1898) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a message dated 12/28/2007 10:07:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes: Elecraft needs a desk microphone in it's product line. The stiff cord on the MH-2 is capable of dragging the radio around the desk before it yields. It's very "stiff". I have a Heil Goldline w/desk stand that gives me the choice of switching between cartridges ... the best of both worlds. I also have a ProSet with an HC-5 cartridge. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP K2 #5665 K3 #56 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I agree with the Heil Goldline and a desk stand. I used an Astatic dynamic mic with a boom holder for years and really liked it. I have both the Heil Proset 5 and the Elecraft Proset K-2. Different type mic elements but they both work equally well on my K2 and K3 and several other rigs. The desk mic is the only addition I'd like to see, preferably a design that will work hand-held as well as on a stand or arm. Al WA6VNN **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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My "Baptism of Fire" was with MD4K on the IOM in CQWW MM .
Thirty seconds after the contest started I was in shock..Five other operators, all in the same small room shouting their heads off. Transmitting CQ and callsign, and hearing the same said by others, albeit not quite in sync is quite off-putting ! That fact they are GOOD OPERATORS was shown in the results table when it was published. They managed just fine. The Heil headsets were about as good as a "Chocolate Fire Guard", however eventually my brain started filtering out the background noise. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:00:34 -0800, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Toby wrote: > > Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6 > feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot zulu > denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I find it > almost impossible. > > ----------------------------------- > > Anyone who knows how to operate a radio doesn't shout at the mic, no matter > what! > > Maybe a little consultation on technique before the next contest would > improve his score and your sanity. > > Maybe a huge sign on the wall: GOOD OPERATORS DON'T SHOUT! > > Just the same, it's hard to have several people talking in the same room > while trying to hear marginal audio. That does require the most isolating > 'phones you can get. > > Ron AC7AC > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Ron AC7AC wrote:
> Anyone who knows how to operate a radio doesn't shout at the mic, no > matter > what! <snip> ------------------------------------------------------------------ Amen! Interesting to note that the operators of 'world class' contest stations never appear to suffer from sore throats caused by shouting during a contest period, while some other folk end up 'croaking'. My Heil ProSet Plus headset allows my rigs to be driven to full output without shouting, including an unmodified K2/100 #3255 without an external audio preamp, and is comfortable to wear for long periods. The combination of the HC5 mic element and 2.1 kHz transmitter filters breaks pile-ups without having to use the HC4 mic element, at the same time receives complimentary reports on audio quality. External acoustic noise has never been a problem here. Tom N5GE wrote: > My feeling is that offering the Heil Pro-Set versions with the mono 1/8" > plug > will be great. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Agree about having the smaller plug for the headphone connection, but would suggest that it be a stereo plug rather than a mono plug to allow use of binaural outputs.. Happy New Year to everybody! 73, Geoff GM4ESD _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby Deinhardt" <[hidden email]> To: "WILLIS COOKE" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry? Just try and work multi-2 SSB using Heil with the other OP less than 6 feet away "shouting", "NEGATIVE my call is delta delta five foxtrot zulu denmark denmark one two three four five florida zanzibar ..." I find it almost impossible. Hmmmmmmmmmmm! I suppose these same folks when working CW, and can't get their call or report received correctly, start pounding their paddles harder! You get about the same effect! Dave W7AQK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Good evening, morning, day or night,
> That's why air traffic controllers, emergency service dispatchers and many > others are carefully taught to *never* raise their voices on the air. They > need to be heard, and heard correctly, as quickly as possible. I suppose it might be a question of definition of what a raised voice is. I'll never forget the first time I was in a studio during the 6PM news (actually it was shortly before 7PM) and was very surprised at the volume which the anchor used to speak. He did not shout (you breath differently when you shout) but he talked loudly. I have heard this time and time again at work over the years, a loud voice is better than one which is too low. This does not mean shouting or yelling! According the sound techs this has something to do with the dynamic range of the speech and allows lower microphone gain, which reduces the audio impact of the room surrounding the speaker. Also lower microphone gain has the advantage of picking less unwanted noise. When I referred to shouting I put in quotes on purpose, because I wanted to point out that when trying to fish out a week one, even a normal level voice will seem like shouting. vy 73 de toby es HAPPY NEW YEAR _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a message dated 12/29/2007 3:01:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes: Good evening, morning, day or night, > That's why air traffic controllers, emergency service dispatchers and many > others are carefully taught to *never* raise their voices on the air. They > need to be heard, and heard correctly, as quickly as possible. I suppose it might be a question of definition of what a raised voice is. I'll never forget the first time I was in a studio during the 6PM news (actually it was shortly before 7PM) and was very surprised at the volume which the anchor used to speak. He did not shout (you breath differently when you shout) but he talked loudly. I have heard this time and time again at work over the years, a loud voice is better than one which is too low. This does not mean shouting or yelling! According the sound techs this has something to do with the dynamic range of the speech and allows lower microphone gain, which reduces the audio impact of the room surrounding the speaker. Also lower microphone gain has the advantage of picking less unwanted noise. When I referred to shouting I put in quotes on purpose, because I wanted to point out that when trying to fish out a week one, even a normal level voice will seem like shouting. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ In a broadcast studio, you have sound engineers monitoring everything that goes in and out of the transmitter, modulation levels are high priority. So a good sounding announcer is where it starts, a good engineer is where it flows. Ham Ops need to be both! Al WA6VNN **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Re: Shouting at the Mic? (WAS: Which Heil Prosets shouldwe carry?)
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Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> In the broadcast biz we had a lot of such people because along with > "projection" they learned to enunciate and modulate their voices for > the most pleasant effect. The end result is a lot of volume and range > with far better than average understandability at all levels. > I think it's almost a lost art these days... Proper articulation, whether you call it projection or enunciation or modulation or whatever, is just speaking consciously with a knowledge and appreciation of how to use the voice for maximum intelligibility. People don't naturally do this; you have to think about it and learn it. Radio operators who know how to articulate properly get more complete contacts under difficult conditions. It's really like using organic, brain-centric speech compression/clipping -- you boost the amplitude-domain and/or the time-domain parameters of sounds that typically get short shrift in ordinary speech. Bill W5WVO _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Try putting a piece of paper towel between your ear and the headset. I find
that it makes it more comfortable when wearing headset for long periods of time and it seems to keep things cooler. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Ferrington, M0XDF Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:59 PM To: [hidden email]; elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which Heil Prosets should we carry? Now I like that - I have a pair of BOSE Quiet Comfort 2 headphones and they are extremely good, very comfortable etc - I fine they do tend to make your ears a little hot though. On 28/12/07 23:47, "David Wilburn" <[hidden email]> sent: > One contest group purchases the Bose NR headsets, and then adds a mike > boom to them. -- Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that! -Lewis Carroll, mathematician and writer (1832-1898) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Shouting at the Mic? (WAS: Which Heil Prosets should wecarry?)
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In the controlled environments of which I am familiar (military and
commercial) all operators have side tone whether they like it or not. We amateurs have a choice of side tone or not and I'm coming to the conclusion that's at least half the problem of shouting. David G3UNA > It's good your operators did well, but there's strong evidence their > success > was in spite of their voice technique, not because of it. > > I based my comments on extensive studies done by military and commercial > services that showed that a raised, strained voice reduces communications > efficiency, especially in a stressful situation. > > That's why air traffic controllers, emergency service dispatchers and many > others are carefully taught to *never* raise their voices on the air. They > need to be heard, and heard correctly, as quickly as possible. > > Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > My "Baptism of Fire" was with MD4K on the IOM in CQWW MM . Thirty seconds > after the contest started I was in shock..Five > other operators, all in the same small room shouting their heads > off. Transmitting CQ and callsign, and hearing the same said by > others, albeit not quite in sync is quite off-putting ! > > That fact they are GOOD OPERATORS was shown in the results table > when it was published. They managed just fine. > > The Heil headsets were about as good as a "Chocolate Fire Guard", > however eventually my brain started filtering out the background > noise. > > 73 > Stewart G3RXQ > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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