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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Windows vs Mac

> My Macs run fine, and Apple is not nagging me to update the OS in my
> old Mac Mini, which is running 10.5. If you have an old Mac, run the
> older OSs. You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it
> as well, but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS.

You can't upgrade to Mountain Lion from Leopard (10.5) as Apple will
not allow that. The user *must* upgrade through each major version
if the hardware will support it.

> You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it as well,
> but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS.

But there's the rub ... one can't stay current with even incremental
upgrades and bug fixes on many applications without staying current
on the operating system upgrades. Apple enforces that with iTunes
(needed to sync iPad, etc.) and in the support for development systems
by what is available in the software libraries (equivalent to Windows
DLLs). Try running the *current version* of MacLoggerDX on Lion.

There is no reason for removing support from the new operating systems
other than to force upgrades.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 8/24/2012 11:44 AM, Scott Manthe wrote:

> Joe,
> This is simply wrong. While Apple releases incremental OS upgrades about
> once a year, Apple doesn't require anyone, let alone "all users," to buy
> an upgrade. I waited over a year before I upgraded to Snow Leopard
> (10.6) and have no plans to upgrade to Mountain Lion (10.8) any time
> soon. My Macs run fine, and Apple is not nagging me to update the OS in
> my old Mac Mini, which is running 10.5. If you have an old Mac, run the
> older OSs. You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it as
> well, but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
> On 8/24/12 10:56 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> > Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and
>> > ability to work in harsh environments.
>>
>> While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their
>> software policies make that long term reliability useless. Apple
>> simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that
>> all users purchase each incremental update. In addition, each
>> major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware
>> (e.g. "Mountain Lion" will not run on Intel "Core2 Duo" systems
>> that are only a four years old) and many application updates
>> require the current OS version.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Windows vs Mac

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> I'm running an iMac Intel Core 2 Duo from Aug 2007 and ML will run on
> that.

Not on my Core2 Duo Mac Minis.

> My experience (and it's extensive on many OS) is that windows sytems
> 'time out' faster than Apple ones.

Far from it ... there are still a lot of Windows XP systems in service
today (and Microsoft is still maintaining "Extended Support" for XP)
but very few OS-X 10.1/10.2/10.3 systems still out there.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 8/24/2012 12:08 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

> Sorry, I don't agree Joe - there are regular 'point' upgrades that are free, easy to download and install, but you don't have to upgrade if you don't wish too. The major version upgrades (10.5 -> 10.6 -> 10.7 -> 10.8) are paid for, but then so are the windows equivalents.
> you don't have to upgrade and while it's true older hardware doesn't support the latest OS, you can go a long way with older hardware and software before it becomes a problem. The latest OSX 10.8 (Mountain Lion) will run on an iMac & a MacBook Pro from mid 2007 (other models from later dates).
> I'm running an iMac Intel Core 2 Duo from Aug 2007 and ML will run on that.
>
>
> There are few applications (if any) that 'require' ML, a few do require Lion, but then is been around since 2011, most apps run on 10.6 (Snow Leopard) with no problems and that’s been around since August 2009.
>
> My experience (and it's extensive on many OS) is that windows sytems 'time out' faster than Apple ones.
>
> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
>

Elecraft K3

Re: Windows vs Mac

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I was not happy with Parallels on my iMac. I run Boot Camp which comes with OSX and I find it runs flawlessly.

Really helps to save on desk space just to have the space of a monitor.

HTH

73 de Eric, KG6MZS

On Aug 24, 2012, at 7:17 AM, David Christ wrote:

> There is one other potential solution. You could possibly run
> windows as a virtual machine on the Mac. We use Mac laptops but have
> one program that we need to run which is available for Windows only.
> We are using Parallels to virtualize Windows XP. Works great for
> this application. How it would work for any particular logging
> program I cannot say as I have not tried. In theory this should work.
>
> David K0LUM
>

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Re: Windows vs Mac

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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ...I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis
> in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 ....

============
And for those who like this idea, note that you can buy a Windows machine
with identical specs for about 60% of the price of a Mac.

Tony KT0NY

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Scott Manthe-2

Re: Windows vs Mac

Also note that identical specs does not mean identical performance or
hardware... Anyone who has actually switched from one of those "60%"
Windows machines to a Mac soon understands the differences.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 8/24/12 1:15 PM, Tony Estep wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> ...I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis
>> in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 ....
> ============
> And for those who like this idea, note that you can buy a Windows machine
> with identical specs for about 60% of the price of a Mac.
>
> Tony KT0NY
>

Paul Huff-3

Re: Windows vs Mac

In reply to this post by Paul Huff-3

A big "thank you" to all of the responses that I have received both on and off
the list regarding my question about Windows vs. Mac ham radio usage. I'm not
sure that additional list bandwidth needs to be taken up with a continuation of
this topic but I would still appreciate any additional thoughts sent to me
off-list. I'm several months away from any decision but I just like to ask all
the questions first rather than regret the results later!

Thanks again and 73,
Paul - N8XMS

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KC8I - Lyn

Re: Windows vs Mac

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Paul,

Their are lots of good posts here to help you out. I have a couple more pluses for the Mac...

- Operating system software can used on more than one Mac at a time. No need to buy a new copy or contact Apple when installing on another Mac. Great for trying various hardware.

- Mac OS is now sold through the App Store. I paid $20 once and it upgraded all three of my Macs. (Better than $100+ per PC for Windows!)

- Hardly any threats from malware. Many of us don't bother to run scanning software -YMMV! It's always a good idea to monitor a couple of Mac news sites to keep on top of things, though.

- Simple sound interface for digital modes using Griffin iMic. (Should work with PC too, I understand)

- All Elecraft software (that I know of) is available in a Mac native version

My shack Setup...
- Mac Mini, 8Gb memory, OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
- MacLoggerDX for rig control and logging
- Elecraft software for KX3 Utilities and W2 wattmeter on-screen display
- Griffin iMic for sound interface with rigs or iPad
- cocoaModem for digital modes
- iPad with iSDR for KX3 band-scope and MacLoggerDX HD
- Parallels 7 Desktop with Windows 7 (mainly to run PowerSDR for Flex 1500)

Also have...
- Mac PowerBook Pro 13" laptop, OS x 10.8, Parallels 7 Desktop with Windows XP (just in case)
- HP Pavilion with AMD Athlon II and Windows 7 (bought to try a "recommended" PC for Flex)
- Acer NetBook with XT (handy portable for Windows ham utilities, when required)
- A couple of older Macs (yes they still work fine without the latest OS)
- A couple of Ubuntu Linux installations (not much ham support)

I'd be glad to chat off-line if I can offer you any help in your decision.

Lyn - KC8I

PS - Life is too short to do Windows!
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Lu Romero - W4LT

Re: Windows vs Mac

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Im a perenial believer in MS Windows. But I do have a
Mac... An old 2004 vintage Dual G5 that I run Final Cut Pro
on to edit video. It still works just fine for what I need,
but I cannot run any newer FCP versions past 5.1.7 as they
only run on the new Intel platform Mac... But I had that at
work and its a really nice machine... The hardware is a work
of art!

Machines of any kind are not obsolete until they stop doing
what you want to do!

Disclaimer... Im a contester. For logging, I have not found
anything in either Mac OS or Linux that can beat either
WinTest or N1MM for functionality. So the decision is
pretty easy for me... Windows is the OS of choice at W4LT,
running N1MM Logger 98% of the time.

As far as hardware age, I have a slew of cast off from work
Dell GX280's. These were literally thrown away from my
former employer, and I gave them a good home. They are
circa 2004 vintage with 3.4Ghz hyperthreading Pentium 4's
and 2GB of RAM and a 40GB HD. They have dual monitor cards
and GigE LAN, too. This is what I use for both my personal
machine, the machine that runs my WinRadio, my local Cluster
using VE7CC and both my wife and my own personal desktop,
each dedicated to their own "purpose".

These "older" boxes all run Win XP SP3 (one is running Win7,
another one is slated to run Win8 (when my MS employed
Brother in Law gets me a copy) and they do everything I have
ever needed to do. These boxes run Elecraft apps just fine,
do rig control with MicroHam uRouter and run N1MM perfectly.

These can be purchased on the internet from several "off
lease" vendors for the cost of the OS... You basically get
the hardware for free. Our club also runs 5 of these
machines in all 5 operating positions and has done so for
three years now with no complaints.

Before you go and spend $3k on a new Mac, consider spending
$170 (or less, in my case, $0) for some off lease hardware
that usually comes with a licensed copy of the OS and see
how that works for you. It works for me here and at our
Multi-2 operation at the Tampa Amateur Radio Club just fine.

I strongly recommend that you get a machine and dedicate it
to Ham Radio applications... This is the way to go not only
for safety, but for maximum flexibility. Hardware is
getting so cheap now that its real easy to use dedicated
machines for dedicated uses.

And you end up getting to be pretty good at setting up
workgroups while youre at it!

Lu Romero - W4LT
Tampa - K3/P3/K1
Riding out the two storms... Issac and the RNC!

Message: 26
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:40:10 -0400
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
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> Mountain Lion will not run on machines that have a 32-bit
EFI (bios).
> It has nothing to do with the processor type. My going on
5 year old
> Core 2 Duo Mac Book Pro runs just fine with 10.8. My 2007
Quad Core
> Mac Pro does not, because it has a 32-bit (rather than
64-bit) EFI.
> Time passes, technology changes. You might be able to load
Windows 8
> on some ancient machine, but getting it to run in any
useful way is a
> completely different issue. And realistically, most
computer systems
> are getting pretty ancient at the 5 year mark.

Windows XP was a screamer on a 2 GHz Core 2 Duo, Vista was a
hotrod
on that processor, Windows 7 is the most stable operating
system ever
on that platform ... all on a four year old Mac Mini that
Apple will
not support with Mountain Lion. Even the Windows 8 preview
runs just
fine on another system with similar processor/RAM although
it could
probably benefit from another couple GB of RAM.

I certainly do not consider those systems "ancient" by any
means *but*
it means that I will not be running OS-X on anything for a
long time.
I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the
Mac Minis
in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 and
enjoy the
far greater choice of amateur software as well.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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Windows vs Mac

In reply to this post by Phillip Lontz

I use crossover too, but it will not run programs like HRD or K3EZ, so be
aware of that.

Laptops etc are so inexpensive these days, that you can use a different one
for each OS to see what you like and prefer or learn to use esp with Linux.

Many laptops are now being released with dual HDD's which work well with
dual boot using Linux grub to decide the OS is the best way to go.

Adrian ... vk4tux

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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Townsend
Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2012 12:44 AM
To: Bill Frantz
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

I have used Macs since 1984... From the the earliest 128k machines to the
newest 27" imac's. They all have served me well with out any virus
contamination. Four or five years ago I started running windows software on
some of my machines. In general that has been a success and I have been
pretty happy with the results. Currently I use a program called Crossover to
run windows apps. The point of Crossover is that you do not need any
Microsoft software running in the background.
I suspect that the Apple iPad will find it's way into the ham radio world
more and more as time passes.... Wht? Because it simply works... Really
well. Tight integration between the development software and the hardware.
Love to write for the iPad and iPhone.

Phil
Santa Fe
KF5ROJ

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability
> to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to run at least
> two operating systems on one computer, so having dual-boot, windows
> and OSx is a common way of using the hardware.
>
> Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need.
> My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured for
> either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it for
> computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a SignaLink USB
> as an interface.
>
> I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under OSx.
> I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and liked it. I
> don't have any experience with any of the Windows ham radio software,
> so don't ask for comparisons. :-)
>
> Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
>
> On 8/24/12 at 6:44, [hidden email] (Paul and Sue Huff) wrote:
>
>> Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
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Matt Maguire

Re: MacLoggerDX vs RUMlog

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What are the reasons you prefer MacLoggerDX over RumLog? Is it purely because of the iPad companion application, or are there other reasons as well to choose MacLoggerDX over RUMLog? How is the integration with the Elecraft KX3?

73, Matt VK2ACL

On 25/08/2012, at 12:41 AM, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Quite a lot of software is available for OSX (iMac OS) now and I think MacLoggerDx is one of the best (although not free) and has a companion version for iPad. It does a lot, including rig control. See http://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacLoggerDX.html
> There is a forum too http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/dogparklist and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macloggerdx/
>
> For digital modes, there is cocoamodem, very good and has an interface to MacLoggerDX (via OSX scripting language - AppleScript).
> See http://www.w7ay.net/site/Applications/cocoaModem/index.html (Chen is an ex Apple engineer and all his software is good).
>
> There are plenty of other logging programs, including http://www.k1gq.com/SkookumLogger/, http://www.aetherlog.com, http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/RUMLog.html (free) and many more.
>
> A good place to look is http://machamradio.com which is "Devoted entirely to amateur radio operators using macintosh"
>
> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
>
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>
> On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff wrote:
>
>> Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective
>> wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
>>
>> My shack computer is getting a little "long in the tooth" and I am starting to
>> research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists
>> of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that
>> I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a
>> very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that "in the
>> old days" most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
>>
>> So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio
>> software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
>>
>> BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days
>> but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn,
>> however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able
>> to easily switch it back into it's "standard" manufacturers configuration for my
>> wife who is even less techie than I am.
>>
>> Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
>>
>> 73,
>> Paul - N8XMS
>>
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: MacLoggerDX vs RUMlog

My opinion.

I use MacLoggerDX mainly because all I need is a good database and with UI entry, edit, and display screens. I like the fact that the log is stored in SQLite databases so I can easily access directly with my own programs for doing various things -- like computing the total distance of all my accumulated QSOs by summing over all the distance measures between my QTH and the other end where it is available. If not available I just guess.

PEH

On Aug 24, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Matt Maguire <[hidden email]> wrote:

> What are the reasons you prefer MacLoggerDX over RumLog? Is it purely because of the iPad companion application, or are there other reasons as well to choose MacLoggerDX over RUMLog? How is the integration with the Elecraft KX3?
>
> 73, Matt VK2ACL
>
> On 25/08/2012, at 12:41 AM, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Quite a lot of software is available for OSX (iMac OS) now and I think MacLoggerDx is one of the best (although not free) and has a companion version for iPad. It does a lot, including rig control. See http://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacLoggerDX.html
>> There is a forum too http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/dogparklist and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macloggerdx/
>>
>> For digital modes, there is cocoamodem, very good and has an interface to MacLoggerDX (via OSX scripting language - AppleScript).
>> See http://www.w7ay.net/site/Applications/cocoaModem/index.html (Chen is an ex Apple engineer and all his software is good).
>>
>> There are plenty of other logging programs, including http://www.k1gq.com/SkookumLogger/, http://www.aetherlog.com, http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/RUMLog.html (free) and many more.
>>
>> A good place to look is http://machamradio.com which is "Devoted entirely to amateur radio operators using macintosh"
>>
>> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
>>
>> Some tortures are physical / And some are mental, / But the one that is both / Is dental. -Ogden Nash, poet (1902-1971)
>>
>> On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff wrote:
>>
>>> Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective
>>> wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
>>>
>>> My shack computer is getting a little "long in the tooth" and I am starting to
>>> research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists
>>> of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that
>>> I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a
>>> very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that "in the
>>> old days" most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
>>>
>>> So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio
>>> software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
>>>
>>> BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days
>>> but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn,
>>> however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able
>>> to easily switch it back into it's "standard" manufacturers configuration for my
>>> wife who is even less techie than I am.
>>>
>>> Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Paul - N8XMS
>>>
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Re: Windows vs Mac

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On Aug 24, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Scott Manthe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Also note that identical specs does not mean identical performance or
> hardware... Anyone who has actually switched from one of those "60%"
> Windows machines to a Mac soon understands the differences.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
> On 8/24/12 1:15 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> ...I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis
>>> in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 ....
>> ============
>> And for those who like this idea, note that you can buy a Windows machine
>> with identical specs for about 60% of the price of a Mac.
>>
>> Tony KT0NY
>>
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Re: Windows vs Mac

In reply to this post by Paul Huff-3

An OS, by itself, is useless without user level tools and applications.

When considering Windows vs. Mac OS vs. Linux, you must consider what apps you intend to use with it.

I am a UNIX/Linux bigot. I also like MacOS. But, I use Windows in my ham shack.

Windows is, by far, the most well supported platform for ham radio applications. Yes, I could run them in a virtual machine or an emulator in another OS, but why?

Don't pick your OS first. Choose the apps you want first and see what the common denominator OS is among those applications. Chances are it will be Windows.

Don't play religion with OSes. You will be doing yourself a BIG disservice. Be pragmatic.

73, Tony K4QE
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Re: MacLoggerDX vs RUMlog

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I've been using MLDX for a long time, before RumLog was available and never really looked at RumLog, so no reasons really and can't say if one is better than the other. MLDX/K3/KX3 integration is good. I understand RumLog has some specific functions for K3, so I will give it a try someday.
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
Success is the ability to go from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm. - Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965).

On 24 Aug 2012, at 22:33, Matt Maguire wrote:

Mike Reublin

Re: MacLoggerDX vs RUMlog

In reply to this post by Phil Hystad-3

RUMLog also uses SQLite db, and has a built-in custom query screen where
you can enter SQL.

73, Mike NF4L

On 8/24/12 7:51 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:

> My opinion.
>
> I use MacLoggerDX mainly because all I need is a good database and with UI entry, edit, and display screens. I like the fact that the log is stored in SQLite databases so I can easily access directly with my own programs for doing various things -- like computing the total distance of all my accumulated QSOs by summing over all the distance measures between my QTH and the other end where it is available. If not available I just guess.
>
> PEH
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Matt Maguire <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> What are the reasons you prefer MacLoggerDX over RumLog? Is it purely because of the iPad companion application, or are there other reasons as well to choose MacLoggerDX over RUMLog? How is the integration with the Elecraft KX3?
>>
>> 73, Matt VK2ACL
>>
>> On 25/08/2012, at 12:41 AM, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Quite a lot of software is available for OSX (iMac OS) now and I think MacLoggerDx is one of the best (although not free) and has a companion version for iPad. It does a lot, including rig control. See http://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacLoggerDX.html
>>> There is a forum too http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/dogparklist and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macloggerdx/
>>>
>>> For digital modes, there is cocoamodem, very good and has an interface to MacLoggerDX (via OSX scripting language - AppleScript).
>>> See http://www.w7ay.net/site/Applications/cocoaModem/index.html (Chen is an ex Apple engineer and all his software is good).
>>>
>>> There are plenty of other logging programs, including http://www.k1gq.com/SkookumLogger/, http://www.aetherlog.com, http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/RUMLog.html (free) and many more.
>>>
>>> A good place to look is http://machamradio.com which is "Devoted entirely to amateur radio operators using macintosh"
>>>
>>> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
>>>
>>> Some tortures are physical / And some are mental, / But the one that is both / Is dental. -Ogden Nash, poet (1902-1971)
>>>
>>> On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective
>>>> wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
>>>>
>>>> My shack computer is getting a little "long in the tooth" and I am starting to
>>>> research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists
>>>> of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that
>>>> I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a
>>>> very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that "in the
>>>> old days" most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
>>>>
>>>> So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio
>>>> software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days
>>>> but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn,
>>>> however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able
>>>> to easily switch it back into it's "standard" manufacturers configuration for my
>>>> wife who is even less techie than I am.
>>>>
>>>> Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Paul - N8XMS
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