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I am interested in getting into CW contesting and have seen reference to
the Winkey Keyer by K1EL. My Rig is an Elecraft K3 and I use N1MM for logging. Is there utility in using a keyer in addition to that provided by Elecraft? Thanks in advance. -- Frank KD8FIP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have the Winkey keyer. It works very well with N1MM and my K3. The
software to add character strings to the keyer come with the kit. 73, Kevin. KD5ONS On 1/29/2012 3:49 PM, Frank MacDonell wrote: > I am interested in getting into CW contesting and have seen reference to > the Winkey Keyer by K1EL. My Rig is an Elecraft K3 and I use N1MM for > logging. Is there utility in using a keyer in addition to that provided by > Elecraft? Thanks in advance. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 1/29/2012 3:49 PM, Frank MacDonell wrote:
> Is there utility in using a keyer in addition to that provided by > Elecraft? No such utility is needed -- N1MM talks to it directly via the USB or serial connection. The WinKey works pretty well and takes only a few hours to build. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Frank MacDonell
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Frank MacDonell <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am interested in getting into CW contesting and have seen reference to > the Winkey Keyer by K1EL. My Rig is an Elecraft K3 and I use N1MM for > logging. Is there utility in using a keyer in addition to that provided by > Elecraft? Yes. The WinKeyer accepts data from the computer and translates it into dits and dahs. The alternative ways to send CW with N1MM Logger require the dits and dahs to be generated on the computer, and output in the form of signals on control lines of a serial or parallel port, which can be subject to timing irregularities on the computer. The WinKeyer is not susceptible to those timing irregularities. The K3 does provide commands for sending data as CW, but N1MM Logger does not implement those commands. Another benefit (maybe) is that the WinKeyer provides a single speed control that applies to both computer and hand-generated CW. Also, if you are interested in SO2R, it can share a paddle between the two radios, driven by N1MM Logger focus. 73, ~iain / N6ML ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 1/29/2012 3:49 PM, Frank MacDonell wrote: >> Is there utility in using a keyer in addition to that provided by >> Elecraft? > > No such utility is needed -- N1MM talks to it directly via the USB or > serial connection. The WinKey works pretty well and takes only a few > hours to build. I believe he meant utility as in "fitness for some purpose or worth to some end" (m-w.com) :) ~iain / N6ML ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Frank MacDonell
* On 2012 29 Jan 17:50 -0600, Frank MacDonell wrote:
> I am interested in getting into CW contesting and have seen reference to > the Winkey Keyer by K1EL. My Rig is an Elecraft K3 and I use N1MM for > logging. Is there utility in using a keyer in addition to that provided by > Elecraft? Thanks in advance. The Master Keyer 1 by Dale, N0XAS is also worthy of consideration. It speaks the K1EL/WinKeyer protocol and will work with N1MM and other loggers (I use mine as such with CQRlog on Linux). It offers many features that can be kept close at hand at the operating position. You can find it at http://www.hamgadgets.com I am a satisfied customer. 73, de Nate, N0NB >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Frank,
If you just want to 'buy' something or if you just want to spend your money, then probably go with the Winkey. However in my opinion, that is really silly since N1MM sends perfect CW via the serial port. Just read the K3 setup notes in the N1MM documents where it tells you how to set up N1MM's Config to key your K3 via either the DTS or the RTS serial line that you have connected between your K3 and your PC. The only additional thing you need to do in your PC is to shut off all Windows generated sounds; doing this will eliminate the random (and seldom) 'CW stutter' generated by your PC. I have been using my PC serial port for better than 10 years and with internal sound generation turned off, I have never heard the 'CW stutter'. 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank MacDonell Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:49 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Winkey Keyer I am interested in getting into CW contesting and have seen reference to the Winkey Keyer by K1EL. My Rig is an Elecraft K3 and I use N1MM for logging. Is there utility in using a keyer in addition to that provided by Elecraft? Thanks in advance. -- Frank KD8FIP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Frank MacDonell
Yes, in most cases. Most logging programs are capable of forming Morse dits and dahs and sending them via a suitably configured and level-converted serial or parallel port. But if the computer is heavily loaded, such as by telnet spotting data, the code can be garbled. To avoid this, many contesters use an external keyer like the K1EL or others. I do. The logger sends ASCII characters to the keyer very quickly and the keyer generates dits and dahs externally, independent from computer load. It also obviates the need for level converters, although those are very simple circuits to build if you can handle a soldering iron.
Have fun! Rick N6XI -- Rick Tavan On Jan 29, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Frank MacDonell <[hidden email]> wrote: > I am interested in getting into CW contesting and have seen reference to > the Winkey Keyer by K1EL. My Rig is an Elecraft K3 and I use N1MM for > logging. Is there utility in using a keyer in addition to that provided by > Elecraft? Thanks in advance. > > -- > Frank KD8FIP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Nate Bargmann <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The Master Keyer 1 by Dale, N0XAS is also worthy... ========== I can't comment on the Winkey, but I also have a Master Keyer, and like Nate I like it. You can control it from your computer or use its memories.It does many more things than most of us will ever need for a keyer to do. Returning to Frank's original question: Frank, for many contests, you can program 2, 3 or 4 messages into your K3 and that will be all you'll need. You can send 'em via the M1-M4 arc buttons. For example, if you search & pounce, and the exchange is just a report and your zone, you need only two: one for your call and one for 5nn04 or whatever. Your computer can generate the CW for other more complicated exchanges if needed. So if you're just dipping your toe into contesting, there's no need to start right out by buying a keyer. 73, Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 1/29/2012 4:10 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:
> I believe he meant utility as in "fitness for some purpose or worth to > some end" (m-w.com):) Yeah, after I read your excellent response I figured that out. :) 73, Jim ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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My favorite external keyer is the Island Keyer II. Details at http://wb9kzy.com/ik2.htm
More features and memories than you'll ever know what to do with. Barry W2UP |
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In reply to this post by Frank MacDonell
As said, N1MM can key the K3 via the serial port.
Still, I use my old K1EL keyer because: - easy and quick change of keying-speed - easy hook-up and integration of my CW-paddle - easy and understandable ptt from the keyer to the K3 - easy setup (delays etc.) in the winkey page of N1MM. 73 Arie PA3A Op 30-1-2012 0:49, Frank MacDonell schreef: > I am interested in getting into CW contesting and have seen reference to > the Winkey Keyer by K1EL. My Rig is an Elecraft K3 and I use N1MM for > logging. Is there utility in using a keyer in addition to that provided by > Elecraft? Thanks in advance. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Please note:
I have and use a WinkeyUSB keyer with my K3. It works well and does all the things you would expect. WINDOWS will cause uneven CW keying if used directly from logging software do to it very nature. Using the Winkeyer (or other similar devices) will deliver perfect code everytimne. All of Arie's statements are true and relevant. BUT...... If you are using the K3 DATA modes (FSK D or PSK D) to send digital via paddles, you must first re-connect the paddles to the PADDLE IN jack. The keyers connect thru the KEY IN jack and are not seen by the K3's internal keyer thus eliminating the ability to send digital messages via the paddles. Also, using the K3 M1-M4 buttons to send code will use the K3 internal keyer. Nor can you store CW into the M1-M4 memories via the paddles. This is not a condemnation of external keyers, just a bit of info that might be relevant to your situation. For me, the jury is still out on the continued use of the WinkeyUSB. It works well for keying, but...... ...bill nr4c On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:54:28 +0100, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > As said, N1MM can key the K3 via the serial port. > > Still, I use my old K1EL keyer because: > - easy and quick change of keying-speed > - easy hook-up and integration of my CW-paddle > - easy and understandable ptt from the keyer to the K3 > - easy setup (delays etc.) in the winkey page of N1MM. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > Op 30-1-2012 0:49, Frank MacDonell schreef: >> I am interested in getting into CW contesting and have seen >> reference to >> the Winkey Keyer by K1EL. My Rig is an Elecraft K3 and I use N1MM >> for >> logging. Is there utility in using a keyer in addition to that >> provided by >> Elecraft? Thanks in advance. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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This is a beautiful excuse for owning another paddle, one for the external
keyer and one for the internal keyer. You can never have enough paddles. ;-) /Rick N6XI On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:58 AM, nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote: > > BUT...... > > If you are using the K3 DATA modes (FSK D or PSK D) to send digital via > paddles, you must first re-connect the paddles to the PADDLE IN jack. > The keyers connect thru the KEY IN jack and are not seen by the K3's > internal keyer thus eliminating the ability to send digital messages via > the paddles. > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 1/30/2012 8:19 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:
> This is a beautiful excuse for owning another paddle, one for the external > keyer and one for the internal keyer. You can never have enough paddles.;-) Yeah, I have three paddles active in my SO2R station (two K3s). One connected directly to each K3, sitting out of the way for those special uses, and one connected to the WinKeyer, in the center of my operating position. When considering alternate keyers, if you're a contester, make certain that the keyer you plan to buy or build is supported by the logging software that you plan to use with it. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Just plug the paddle into the K3.
Then the computer can send at its speed and you can send at your speed. :-) You don't need to plug into the winkey. Fred KE7X -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick Tavan N6XI Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:20 AM To: nr4c Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Winkey Keyer This is a beautiful excuse for owning another paddle, one for the external keyer and one for the internal keyer. You can never have enough paddles. ;-) /Rick N6XI On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:58 AM, nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote: > > BUT...... > > If you are using the K3 DATA modes (FSK D or PSK D) to send digital > via paddles, you must first re-connect the paddles to the PADDLE IN jack. > The keyers connect thru the KEY IN jack and are not seen by the K3's > internal keyer thus eliminating the ability to send digital messages > via the paddles. > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Fred,
The nice thing about the Winkey - paddle in Winkey - N1MM combo is that computer-CW and paddle-CW are the same speed and easily changable by one knob in the winkey. Also, if the computer is keying and I tap the paddle, the paddle immediately takes over and stops the computer-CW. This are both very nice features, because I use the paddle in contests for non standard messages. (Just ran the CQ160-cw from PI4D this way) 73 Arie PA3A Op 31-1-2012 1:35, Cady, Fred schreef: > Just plug the paddle into the K3. > Then the computer can send at its speed and you can send at your speed. > :-) > You don't need to plug into the winkey. > Fred > KE7X > > - ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In addition to all the excellent features of the WinKey already mentioned:
The VERY BEST thing about the WinKey is that it includes the Ultimatic mode! For my K3 setup, I use a WK2USB with dual-lever paddle (Brown Brothers), but I also keep a single-lever Vibroplex paddle connected directly to the K3 paddle input for visitors who can only send with Iambic keyers. Bud, W2RU On Jan 31, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > Fred, > > The nice thing about the Winkey - paddle in Winkey - N1MM combo is that > computer-CW and paddle-CW are the same speed and easily changable by one > knob in the winkey. Also, if the computer is keying and I tap the > paddle, the paddle immediately takes over and stops the computer-CW. > This are both very nice features, because I use the paddle in contests > for non standard messages. > > (Just ran the CQ160-cw from PI4D this way) > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > > Op 31-1-2012 1:35, Cady, Fred schreef: >> Just plug the paddle into the K3. >> Then the computer can send at its speed and you can send at your speed. >> :-) >> You don't need to plug into the winkey. >> Fred >> KE7X >> >> - > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Bud, You're only the second person in the world I know who uses Ultimatic (the other being my HST teammate, Gary, W5ZL). I'm sure he'll be glad to know he has company :.) Barry W2UP |
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Barry,
Add a 3rd to your list. Ultimatic is the only way I can use dual lever paddles. Most of my paddles are single lever for that very reason. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/1/2012 7:55 AM, Barry wrote: > Bud, > You're only the second person in the world I know who uses Ultimatic (the > other being my HST teammate, Gary, W5ZL). I'm sure he'll be glad to know he > has company :.) > > Barry W2UP > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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