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wayne burdick

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

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How far are you from W7RDP?

On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:10 PM, K7WIA wrote:

> I can detect the beacon using WSJT9, but I can not hear it in the
> speaker,
> The freg I have for zero beat in CW-REV is 50.02576. and I should
> be close,
> calibrated w/ sprectran w/WWV
>
> I see a 20 second line on the waterfall every 60 seconds and have
> been for
> the last 15 minutes.
>
> my K3 does not have the PR6 preamp.. just using the one in the K3..
>
> Ed K7WIA
>
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Al Gulseth-2

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

Wayne,

After noting the mention of using WSJT to detect the beacon (and since you
obviously would like to "encourage" the use of XG3s in beacon service) it
occurred to me: what about QRSS mode? Assuming the hardware would handle the
long on/TX times associated with QRSS, it seems to me that all that would be
needed would be a firmware update to allow the slower QRSS CW speed. (A
number of QRPers I know are experimenting with QRSS, mostly on 30M, and I
suspect expanding the idea to other bands (e.g. 6M) might be of interest to
some of them.)

TNX/73, Al

On Tue June 21 2011 8:13:31 pm Wayne Burdick wrote:

> How far are you from W7RDP?
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:10 PM, K7WIA wrote:
> > I can detect the beacon using WSJT9, but I can not hear it in the
> > speaker,
> > The freg I have for zero beat in CW-REV is 50.02576. and I should
> > be close,
> > calibrated w/ sprectran w/WWV
> >
> > I see a 20 second line on the waterfall every 60 seconds and have
> > been for
> > the last 15 minutes.
> >
> > my K3 does not have the PR6 preamp.. just using the one in the K3..
> >
> > Ed K7WIA
> >
> > --
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KD7PY

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

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per Google Earth, I am 18.42 miles away..

this is not Kansas.....seattle is a very hilly city. and from Goggle earth. the beacon is in a hole for me, and a lot of hills between it and me.. although I do have a clear horizon to the cascade Mtns to the east from my QTH and in the direction of the beacon.......
Ed K7WIA

wayne burdick

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

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In reply to this post by Al Gulseth-2

I'll pass this onto the engineer who wrote the XG3 firmware (Paul
Saffren). If we get enough demand we could add this.

Thanks,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Al Gulseth wrote:

> Wayne,
>
> After noting the mention of using WSJT to detect the beacon (and
> since you
> obviously would like to "encourage" the use of XG3s in beacon
> service) it
> occurred to me: what about QRSS mode? Assuming the hardware would
> handle the
> long on/TX times associated with QRSS, it seems to me that all that
> would be
> needed would be a firmware update to allow the slower QRSS CW speed.
> (A
> number of QRPers I know are experimenting with QRSS, mostly on 30M,
> and I
> suspect expanding the idea to other bands (e.g. 6M) might be of
> interest to
> some of them.)
>
> TNX/73, Al
>
> On Tue June 21 2011 8:13:31 pm Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> How far are you from W7RDP?
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:10 PM, K7WIA wrote:
>>> I can detect the beacon using WSJT9, but I can not hear it in the
>>> speaker,
>>> The freg I have for zero beat in CW-REV is 50.02576. and I should
>>> be close,
>>> calibrated w/ sprectran w/WWV
>>>
>>> I see a 20 second line on the waterfall every 60 seconds and have
>>> been for
>>> the last 15 minutes.
>>>
>>> my K3 does not have the PR6 preamp.. just using the one in the K3..
>>>
>>> Ed K7WIA
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-6M-beacon-W7RDP-B-on-the-air-tp6
>>> 501662p6502566.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at
>>> Nabble.com.
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wayne burdick

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

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In reply to this post by KD7PY

In that case, you now hold the record for copying an unamplified XG3
beacon :)

The previous record was 1/4 mile or so.

Wayne

On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:46 PM, K7WIA wrote:

> per Google Earth, I am 18.42 miles away..
>
> this is not Kansas.....seattle is a very hilly city. and from
> Goggle earth.
> the beacon is in a hole for me, and a lot of hills between it and me..
> although I do have a clear horizon to the cascade Mtns to the east
> from my
> QTH and in the direction of the beacon.......
> Ed K7WIA
>
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

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According to QRZ, Beacon Doug, W7RDB, is on the Sammamish Plateau and not in Seattle. Seattle is due west of Doug unless his repeater is at some other location. Line of sight distance between my QTH and W7RDP is about 11.5 miles. Also, I am on a hill top and depending on where Doug is located we could have close to line-of-sight path. I don't have a gain antenna, just a 300 foot delta loop that I can tune to 6 meters.

Oh, I have not heard his beacon, started listening at about 7:45 PM and it is now 8:10 PM.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Do we have any experts at path-loss calculations (over typical
> Seattlian terrain) on the list?
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:
>
>> I should be line of sight to Seattle. I know I am south of it and
>> he is using a gain antenna. Do you think he will reach beyond the
>> outskirts of Seattle?
>> Kevin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:26:00 -0700, Wayne Burdick
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, at 0 dBm power output, his XG3 may only be audible to fairly
>>> close stations unless there's a serious band opening.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>> On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> Trust that all is well with you.
>>>>
>>>> It crossed my mind that if your QTH is off the back of Doug's
>>>> W7RDP/B Moxon
>>>> and you are some distance apart, you might not hear his XG3 beacon
>>>> because
>>>> of the large f/b ratio that is typical of a Moxon. For example one
>>>> of my
>>>> wire 40m beams was a Moxon and was back on to Continental Europe
>>>> (DLs, Is
>>>> and such), and its f/b was a good 30ish db depending on the angle
>>>> of arrival
>>>> of the Eu signals.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Geoff
>>>> GM4ESD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Rock
>>>> On June 21, 2011 at 22:06 Z, Kevin Rock wrote
>>>>
>>>>> I have scanned from 50.020 to 50.030 on both my 6 meter
>>>>> horizontal loop
>>>>> and on my G5RV. No signals at all except for one birdie.
>>>>> Kevin. KD5ONS CN85jq
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Jessie Oberreuter-2

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

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Alas, no copy from CN87uo, just north of the U-District :(. I have
excellent shots S and W, and have a pretty good shot E, but not
line-of-site.

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> In that case, you now hold the record for copying an unamplified XG3
> beacon :)
>
> The previous record was 1/4 mile or so.
>
> Wayne
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:46 PM, K7WIA wrote:
>
>> per Google Earth, I am 18.42 miles away..
>>
>> this is not Kansas.....seattle is a very hilly city. and from
>> Goggle earth.
>> the beacon is in a hole for me, and a lot of hills between it and me..
>> although I do have a clear horizon to the cascade Mtns to the east
>> from my
>> QTH and in the direction of the beacon.......
>> Ed K7WIA
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-6M-beacon-W7RDP-B-on-the-air-tp6501662p6502638.html
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Bill W4ZV

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

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wayne burdick wrote

In that case, you now hold the record for copying an unamplified XG3
beacon :)

The previous record was 1/4 mile or so.

Wayne

I hope you realize that 1000 microwatts (1 mW or 0 dBm) is very QRO in the world of weak signal beacons. Try 27 microwatts at a distance of 546.8 miles on 80 meters. ;-)

http://www.eham.net/articles/10078

When lightning season is over (next fall), I'll hook up my XG3 to my 3-stack on 10 meters (22 dBi gain) and see if you can hear me in W6 land.

73, Bill W4ZV

Bill K9YEQ

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

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I may put one up in here in WI when I get my alternative other side of the
house coax line installed. Might as well use the XG3 near 100% of the time.
Line loss could be a detrimental factor, but I do have.75" heliax to help.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
We need more beacons :)

Wayne

On Jun 21, 2011, at 4:51 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

>
> I'm watching this with great interest and anticipation from EM12jq!
>
> 73,
> Tom
>
> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
> ARRL Lifetime Member
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>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:48:15 -0700, Doug Phillips <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> After corresponding with Wayne a little today, I have my XG3 running
>> a 0dBm into a Parr 6M stressed Moxon aimed South at about 45' agl,
>> CN87xo, just east of Seattle. The frequency set on the XG3 is
>> 50.025MHz, my
>> K3/10 thinks it is a little lower but not by much. The XG3 is set to
>> send 5 seconds of 0dBm tone, then W7RDP/B at 15 wpm CW, then 10
>> seconds of tone at 0dBm, repeating every 60 seconds.
>>
>> One thing I found out is to add a word space before the call
>> otherwise the first letter is truncated, and I added one after just
>> in case.
>>
>> 73, Doug W7RDP

Bill K9YEQ

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

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Wayne,

You have now thrown the gauntlet!

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----

In that case, you now hold the record for copying an unamplified XG3 beacon
:)

The previous record was 1/4 mile or so.

Wayne

On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:46 PM, K7WIA wrote:

> per Google Earth, I am 18.42 miles away..
>
> this is not Kansas.....seattle is a very hilly city. and from Goggle
> earth.
> the beacon is in a hole for me, and a lot of hills between it and me..
> although I do have a clear horizon to the cascade Mtns to the east
> from my QTH and in the direction of the beacon.......
> Ed K7WIA
>

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kevinr@coho.net

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

I think stacked and phased 20 element Yagi-Udas will get me the title at
150 miles!! How much aluminum can one put into the sky?
Kevin. KD5ONS

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:40:45 -0700, Bill K9YEQ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wayne,
>
> You have now thrown the gauntlet!
>
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> In that case, you now hold the record for copying an unamplified XG3
> beacon
> :)
>
> The previous record was 1/4 mile or so.
>
> Wayne
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 6:46 PM, K7WIA wrote:
>
>> per Google Earth, I am 18.42 miles away..
>>
>> this is not Kansas.....seattle is a very hilly city. and from Goggle
>> earth.
>> the beacon is in a hole for me, and a lot of hills between it and me..
>> although I do have a clear horizon to the cascade Mtns to the east
>> from my QTH and in the direction of the beacon.......
>> Ed K7WIA
>>
>
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kevinr@coho.net

Re: XG3 6M beacon W7RDP/B on the air

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I know a guy in Minnesota with a ton of hard line on a very tall tower. I
think his 6m antenna is attached part way up the side at about 1000 feet.
I think you may want to convince him to add an XG3 beacon on that hardline
during his off hours. Or raise the 6m loop up a bit and put it at 2000
feet. That should increase the radius the 0 dBm signal can cover. What
do you think Scott?
73,
Kevin. KD5ONS

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:27:46 -0700, Bill K9YEQ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I may put one up in here in WI when I get my alternative other side of
> the
> house coax line installed. Might as well use the XG3 near 100% of the
> time.
> Line loss could be a detrimental factor, but I do have.75" heliax to
> help.
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> We need more beacons :)
>
> Wayne