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I second Cookies comments.
The self righteous of the comments from some QRP advocates is a continual annoyance. I have seen these same comments time and time again on the reflector. Let it go! Why do the QRP fanatics have to lobby so hard for thier cause? Can't they let people make thier own decisions? One size does not fit all! There is a real insult to those who do not hold thier views hidden (or not so hidden) in thier comments. If you think I am talking to you, I probably am! Do us all a favor and do not reply. We already know your opinion! This is the kind of stuff that makes some people not want to use the reflector. I hang in here because of the wealth of technical info. I have my mail all presorted by sender and Subject. I also use the delete key! So no lectures on how deal with this. BTW, I have a KX1 (fully loaded with the smd cw tuning aid that I built myself) that I use when backpacking in the High Sierras and when hanging out in Golden Gate Park here in San Francisco. I also have a K3-100 kit. As nice as it is, it was only when I picked up an Ameritron 811-H amp that I started making progress on several awards. In no time I got the last five states I needed for WAS CW and am close to getting DXCC. Before I got the amp, I had 85 confirmed countries. I now have 92 and am awaiting cards/LoTW for 17 recent contacts! I live on a small San Francisco lot and use a twisted semi-flattop dipole cut for 40 meter cw. It is a real sky warmer but with the amp and 500 watts it covers the world. I have parts of a Cushcraft MA5B for 20. The two element Yagi on 20 really helps even though it is heavily trapped and low to the ground. Again, the 500 watts really helps! -----Original Message----- snip............... .... this conversation upsets me a great deal. I am a member of SKCC and I see the QRP thing tearing it up at the moment. That the conversation is coming to the Elecraft reflector as well is doubly upsetting. I am not totally against QRP, but the bragado that is taking place here and elsewhere leads the inexperienced to think that all they have to do is buy a QRP rig and a Buddypole and work the world. I see newbie after newbie crying that no one will work them for some perceived reason and the real reason is that no one hears them. The best, cheapest, most effective rig for a newbie is to buy a 100 watt transceiver and put up a dipole or Carolina Windom or such. Deed restrictions sometimes limit them to an attic antenna or a trap vertical or something small. To influence them to use a compromised antenna system and QRP is little short of criminal. It is certainly rude and not in the best interest of the hobby. I see numerous posts by newbies that are upset that every contact is a minimum exchange then 73. They want to rag chew with people, but they are running QRP. Of course you can rag chew with your next door neighbor at QRP and if you catch a great opening sometimes you can carry on for a few minutes before QSB gets you. But most of the time it is a struggle to get your name, qth and club number. To hear QRP advocates saying that they are the essence of ham radio and great operators revolts me. Worst of all is talking about trying a call with 100 mw then 1 watt then 2 watts I find totally rude and repulsive. I seldom see the need for more than 100 watts, but I will turn it up if I need to. The only time I turn it down to QRP is if you tell me you are QRP, then I will turn the power down until you can't hear me either. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> > I'm wondering, what percentage of contacts you've made QRO, that you > > would estimate as not attainable QRP. > To answer your question, very few. > Isn't the important question, what's fun for you? > > Ron AC7AC Ron is exactly right. That's the bottom line. We all do this for enjoyment. That's part of the definition of "amateur". People have different personalities, and different things are fun for different people. Personally, as a 6-meter operator, I've done QRP, I've done middle-of-the-road 100 watts, and I've done QRO -- and for me, QRO is more fun. I can give more people a new state or grid. I can rag-chew more easily with some of the top 6-meter ops in the country under marginal band conditions. I can generate pileups and then run them, which is really a hoot! (For me.) I get tons of QSL cards and respond to them on the same day I get them, which I really enjoy. A lot of guys hate getting QSL cards, but I love it. So that's just me. At the end of the day, it's whatever floats your boat. There will always be guys who say (rightly) that they can work anything with 5 watts, eventually, that they can work with a kilowatt right now. There will always be guys who say (rightly) that the laws of physics are immutable, and there will always be QSOs that simply cannot be completed under adverse conditions without high power. I don't have a dog in this fight; both assertions are true, more or less. But I know what I enjoy, and for me, that's the bottom line. Bill W5WVO MY life is too short to run QRP! :-) You might have a different opinion. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Oh, Oh. Someone using geek language :-).
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They had me "Jatz Cracker ed"
Gary VK4WT Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra -----Original Message----- From: John N1JM <[hidden email]> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:35:13 To: <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Your Opinion: The realities of QRP vs. QRO Oh, Oh. Someone using geek language :-). Steve Ellington wrote: > > Obviously a troll. > > Steve Ellington > [hidden email] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dw" <[hidden email]> > To: "Elecraft_List" <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:34 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] Your Opinion: The realities of QRP vs. QRO > > > A few years back in our little farming community, there was a fellow > whose name was Francis. > Francis was an avid hunter. > At this time, the rumor went around the community that > Francis had been fined for deer jacking. > Out of his truck one night, with a spot light, he took a shot at a > plastic deer planted by game wardens. > Soon it became a joke...Sir Francis the deer slayer. > > Something within me seemed to understand Francis' point of view. > He was a pragmatist... He had little interest in the thrill of the hunt. > He was focused on the efficiency of the catch. > > Although QRO is far from illegal, it does seem to be somewhat more > focused on the efficiency of the catch than the thrill of the hunt. > So there is a certain un-romantic reality to QRO vs. QRP. > > I'm wondering, what percentage of contacts you've made QRO, that you > would estimate as not attainable QRP. > > I hope I didn't break the list rules getting off-topic with the story > :~/ > -- > dw > [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 > 07:54:00 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Your-Opinion%3A-The-realities-of-QRP-vs.-QRO-tp2429074p2432357.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Since everyone has an opinion here's mine. I believe that QRP and QRO both have a place in ham radio. I really enjoy QRP operation because it brings back the thrill of every contact that I had when I started in ham radio. When conditions are marginal the extra power of QRO (100w in my case) can often make the difference between no QSO and a completed one, most notably on 6m and 160m. I do not take the opinion that running the legal limit means that one does not enjoy the thrill of the hunt. Look at the big contest stations around the world and often they are the only ones workable when conditions are marginal. Working QRP stations can often increase the thrill of the station on the other end.
73 Dan N0TK Highlands Ranch, CO -----Original Message----- From: dw <[hidden email]> To: Elecraft_List <[hidden email]> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 5:34 am Subject: [Elecraft] Your Opinion: The realities of QRP vs. QRO A few years back in our little farming community, there was a fellow whose name was Francis. Francis was an avid hunter. At this time, the rumor went around the community that Francis had been fined for deer jacking. Out of his truck one night, with a spot light, he took a shot at a plastic deer planted by game wardens. Soon it became a joke…….Sir Francis the deer slayer. Something within me seemed to understand Francis’ point of view. He was a pragmatist….. He had little interest in the thrill of the hunt. He was focu sed on the efficiency of the catch. Although QRO is far from illegal, it does seem to be somewhat more focused on the efficiency of the catch than the thrill of the hunt. So there is a certain un-romantic reality to QRO vs. QRP. I'm wondering, what percentage of contacts you've made QRO, that you would estimate as not attainable QRP. I hope I didn't break the list rules getting off-topic with the story :~/ -- dw [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have a K1, it was my only HF rig from 2003 to 2008 when My K3/100 #696 arrived. I still use the K1 from time to time. My goal it WAS CW QRP, 40 QSL cards received so far. I am now also getting into CW traffic nets on 80, have often done it with 5 watts. Sometimes when conditions are a bit difficult I run 80 Watts. Sometimes even that is not enough. Both power levers for me are fun. But the QRP contact seems to have somewhat more thrill. Wish I could change from 5 Watts to 80 Watts by pressing PF2. 73, Ty, W1TF, K3 #696, K1 # 1423 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Wow Cookie! I wasn't trying to ruin your week, or even your
day! I thought I made it fairly clear that how one approaches the hobby is a very individualistic thing. If you want QRO (and big antennas), that's fine! I'm certainly not being critical of that approach. I just don't subscribe to it, that's all. When I entered the hobby in 1955, there were scads of stations running rigs like an AT-1 (Heathkit) at 30 watts or so INPUT. What do you suppose that converts to in today's methodology of measuring ones' transmitter power based on OUTPUT? It probably wasn't much, if any, more than half that amount. Actually, the maximum power allowed used to be 1 KW INPUT. Now it's 1.5 KW Output. Not a move in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. I don't get upside down about power levels like that, but when some station is 20, 30, or even 40 over S9 don't you think that's a little excessive? The rule has always been that you run only as much power as is "necessary", but that is a rule that has continually been ignored. I probably don't have the right perspective about "newbies", but if they think ham radio should be just like a telephone call from their friend down the street, that escapes me a bit. This smacks of a complete divergence from how ham radio started, and how it remained for most of the last several decades. Working another station always had some uncertainty to it. What I hear you saying is that every QSO should be S9 or better, lest we lose the interest of the newbies. I'm probably one step short of being a fossil, but I want at least some contacts to be a challenge. True, there are plenty of times when you want communication without a hassle, and many aspects of the hobby are based on that. A good "armchair" ragchew is obviously all that many folks want. I say fine! I enjoy that too! But if every aspect of ham radio was strictly armchair, that would bore me to death. If you eliminate challenge from the equation, I just don't think there would be nearly the number of people involved in the hobby. I agree though, not everyone is interested in the least in being challenged. That, I think, is the substance of our disagreement. You, I think, are interested in showing newbies how easy it is to talk to New York City, or Tokyo, and I'm more interested in showing them that it can be done with a minimal amount of investment, or with a somewhat "spartan" setup. I completely agree that some folks may be much more impressed with your approach than mine. I just don't agree that a majority would be find that preferable. Maybe we can agree that it would be a 50-50 split? I've always been somewhat in awe of the various "superstations" that exist, with huge antennas and high dollar gear, etc. But I have never been inclined to want to emulate those stations. I certainly can afford a much more exotic station than I have, but it just doesn't appeal to me. The easier it gets, the less interested I am. It's that simple. I've spent a fair amount of money on radios, like my K3, but to be honest with you my KX-1 can give me a bigger kick. If I work a DXpedition with my K3, and then later with my KX-1, which one do you think I'm going to talk about more? So, if what you say is true, that most newbies want it "easy", I don't think the hobby has a very bright future. They might as well just fire up their computers and use Skype or Echolink. Why bother with trying to tweak your antenna, or worrying about sunspots and propagation? If you want to eliminate uncertainty from the equation, ham radio has no real purpose. Dave W7AQK ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIS COOKE" <[hidden email]> To: "Elecraft_List" <[hidden email]>; "dw" <[hidden email]>; "David Yarnes" <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Your Opinion: The realities of QRP vs. QRO David, this conversation upsets me a great deal. I am a member of SKCC and I see the QRP thing tearing it up at the moment. That the conversation is coming to the Elecraft reflector as well is doubly upsetting. I am not totally against QRP, but the bragado that is taking place here and elsewhere leads the inexperienced to think that all they have to do is buy a QRP rig and a Buddypole and work the world. I see newbie after newbie crying that no one will work them for some perceived reason and the real reason is that no one hears them. The best, cheapest, most effective rig for a newbie is to buy a 100 watt transceiver and put up a dipole or Carolina Windom or such. Deed restrictions sometimes limit them to an attic antenna or a trap vertical or something small. To influence them to use a compromised antenna system and QRP is little short of criminal. It is certainly rude and not in the best interest of the hobby. I see numerous posts by newbies that are upset that every contact is a minimum exchange then 73. They want to rag chew with people, but they are running QRP. Of course you can rag chew with your next door neighbor at QRP and if you catch a great opening sometimes you can carry on for a few minutes before QSB gets you. But most of the time it is a struggle to get your name, qth and club number. To hear QRP advocates saying that they are the essence of ham radio and great operators revolts me. Worst of all is talking about trying a call with 100 mw then 1 watt then 2 watts I find totally rude and repulsive. I seldom see the need for more than 100 watts, but I will turn it up if I need to. The only time I turn it down to QRP is if you tell me you are QRP, then I will turn the power down until you can't hear me either. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ --- On Thu, 3/5/09, David Yarnes <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: David Yarnes <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Your Opinion: The realities of QRP > vs. QRO > To: [hidden email], "Elecraft_List" > <[hidden email]>, "dw" <[hidden email]> > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:35 AM > Willis and All, > > I very much respect your opinion, but I reject much of it > from my point of view. In particular, your assertion that > 80% of the contacts would be lost at QRP levels. I feel > much of the problem of operating at QRP levels is the QRM > from QRO stations! A CW or PSK31 op, in particular, might > tend to agree with this. There are a lot more stations > out > there that should be turning their power down, there there > are stations who need to turn their power up! > > I also personally feel that your suggestion that "big > antennas" and power is what we need to impress new hams > just might be 180 degrees out of phase. Not only are > "big antennas" out of reach for me from a > practical standpoint, I find the cost somewhat daunting. > I > would think new hams might be scared off if they think > getting a license needs to be followed by a very large > outlay of money to get effectively equipped. I've > always found that emphasizing how easy it is to get > started > works better. Let them develop their own opinion as to > whether bigger is better. > > Finally, and this may be a bit of "heresy", I > question the absolute definition of QRP. Yes, for > contests > and awards we do need a fixed level, but I also think it > should be perfectly acceptable to say that running a K2 or > Argonaut V at nearer their upper power limit is still > "QRP". To me it's all relative. Not many > folks will agree with me I fear, but I've always felt 15 > or 20 watts was pretty much QRP in comparison to what most > folks run. Besides, there is a great disparity between me > running 5 watts to my vertical, and another person running > 5 > watts into his 4 element beam at 70 feet! In other words, > just saying everyone must run 5 watts doesn't make the > playing field equal. > > But all of this is just individual perception. What works > best for you is what you should probably do. It's no > big deal really. The main thing is to enjoy what you are > doing, and there is no sin in cranking up the power. The > beauty of this hobby is that there are so many different > ways to approach it. Nothing "cookie cutter" > about it. > > Dave W7AQK > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIS COOKE" > <[hidden email]> > To: "Elecraft_List" > <[hidden email]>; "dw" > <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Your Opinion: The realities of QRP > vs. QRO > > > > I would estimate that 90% of my QRO contacts would > have not been possible with QRP. 98% would not have been > enjoyable because I don't particularly enjoy contacts > where repeats are required to exchange any info. I would > guess that if only QRP to QRP were legal the QRP stations > would lose 80% of their contacts. This is based on QRP > being 5 watts. If QRP is 1 watt or 100 milliwatts the > problem will be much greater. If it is 10 watts, not > quite > so bad. I really think that QRP is generally bad for the > hobby and reduces my enjoyment when others use QRP, > especially new hams that don't understand the importance > of big antennas and running a reasonable amount of power. > > > > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke > > K5EWJ > > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, dw <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > >> From: dw <[hidden email]> > >> Subject: [Elecraft] Your Opinion: The realities of > QRP vs. QRO > >> To: "Elecraft_List" > <[hidden email]> > >> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:34 AM > >> A few years back in our little farming community, > there was > >> a fellow > >> whose name was Francis. > >> Francis was an avid hunter. > >> At this time, the rumor went around the community > that > >> Francis had been fined for deer jacking. > >> Out of his truck one night, with a spot light, he > took a > >> shot at a > >> plastic deer planted by game wardens. > >> Soon it became a joke…….Sir Francis the deer > slayer. > >> > >> Something within me seemed to understand > Francis’ point > >> of view. > >> He was a pragmatist….. He had little interest in > the > >> thrill of the hunt. > >> He was focused on the efficiency of the catch. > >> > >> Although QRO is far from illegal, it does seem to > be > >> somewhat more > >> focused on the efficiency of the catch than the > thrill of > >> the hunt. > >> So there is a certain un-romantic reality to QRO > vs. QRP. > >> > >> I'm wondering, what percentage of contacts > you've > >> made QRO, that you > >> would estimate as not attainable QRP. > >> > >> I hope I didn't break the list rules getting > off-topic > >> with the story > >> :~/ > >> -- dw > >> [hidden email] > >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: > >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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This is the truth about QRP vs. QRO, as I see it. ;-) First of all, as so
many have already pointed out, it's all good. But, have you ever wondered why the QRP guys seems to be more vocal about QRP than the QRO guys? I'm a QRP guy myself and I can tell you it's because, it's so much fun and for every other reason everyone else has mentioned. Now, why is it that some QRO guys feel that they have to defend themselves against the QRP crowd. I'll tell you why...GUILT. That's right, guilt. If their spouses were to find out that it wasn't necessary to spend mega bucks on rigs, amps, towers and antennas and that they could operate on much less...well you get the picture. :-) Seriously, I think everyone should do what interests them the most. Our hobby has so much to offer. Just as long as we all keep it in perspective and realize that QRP RULES! ;-) Gary, N7HTS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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But QRP simply does NOT rule everywhere... ...for DXing on the low bands (80/160), ...for EME or meteor scatter on VHF, ...when propagation is marginal or atmospheric QRN is high, ...in emergency communications when a life depends on it. Sure QRP works well on the HF bands when conditions are good...it's a heck of a lot of fun to work across the world with a 2 Watt rig in an Altoids tin and a piece of wire...but please don't make blanket statements about "QRP ruling" for many activities...it simply doesn't. If QRPers want a REAL challenge, try working DXCC on 160m with 5 Watts. 73, Bill W4ZV (who loves both) |
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No QRP 160 DXCC here. I rarely even hear DX on 160. But I do have QRP WAS on 160m. Must not be too common, as ARRL couldn't recall the last time they had issued one. 73, Bob N6WG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Your Opinion: The realities of QRP vs. QRO > > > Gary D Krause wrote: >> >> Just as long as we all keep it in perspective and >> realize that QRP RULES! ;-) >> > > But QRP simply does NOT rule everywhere... > > ...for DXing on the low bands (80/160), > ...for EME or meteor scatter on VHF, > ...when propagation is marginal or atmospheric QRN is high, > ...in emergency communications when a life depends on it. > > Sure QRP works well on the HF bands when conditions are good...it's a heck > of a lot of fun to work across the world with a 2 Watt rig in an Altoids > tin > and a piece of wire...but please don't make blanket statements about "QRP > ruling" for many activities...it simply doesn't. > > If QRPers want a REAL challenge, try working DXCC on 160m with 5 Watts. > > 73, Bill W4ZV (who loves both) > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Your-Opinion%3A-The-realities-of-QRP-vs.-QRO-tp2429074p2437055.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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He had a wink after his 'QRP RULES!' statement. Winks, as in just
joking, giving you guys some crap, ha ha ha , hi hi hi...that sort of thing. I seriously doubt anyone here is bashing or calling anyone out, it's all fun, to each their own, don't push this or that upon someone unless they ask, you know, be happy. Text emails don't show emotion, and feelings don't get understood because of this. Tongue in cheek, smile, it's Friday!!! Yea!!! hi hi... 73, Mike WE0H Building my K2...almost done... Bill W4ZV wrote: > Gary D Krause wrote: > >> Just as long as we all keep it in perspective and >> realize that QRP RULES! ;-) >> >> > > But QRP simply does NOT rule everywhere... > > ...for DXing on the low bands (80/160), > ...for EME or meteor scatter on VHF, > ...when propagation is marginal or atmospheric QRN is high, > ...in emergency communications when a life depends on it. > > Sure QRP works well on the HF bands when conditions are good...it's a heck > of a lot of fun to work across the world with a 2 Watt rig in an Altoids tin > and a piece of wire...but please don't make blanket statements about "QRP > ruling" for many activities...it simply doesn't. > > If QRPers want a REAL challenge, try working DXCC on 160m with 5 Watts. > > 73, Bill W4ZV (who loves both) > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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OK, we've passed the overload threshold ;-)
The QRP/QRO thread is officially closed (until it pops up next year..) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator ---- ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I really, really tried not to respond to this thread. It was definitely a troll, but after reading through these messages the hook finally set. I just don't understand the need within the Ham community to create these arbitrary bifurcations. Why QRP vs. QRO? Why SSB vs CW, or straight key vs. paddle vs. keyboard? Why contesters vs. rag chewers? Our hobby is so broad that there is room for all of these differnt viewpoints and different operating styles. Further, there is no regulation, no law, no tradition that states you have to participate in any of these activities. If something "disgusts" you (a genuine grumpy old man remark), then just avoid it. There is plenty of bandwith out there -- just spin the dial. John, WA6L |
Re: Your Opinion: The realities of QRP vs. QRO
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In reply to this post by n6wg
Psst... don't tell anyone yet... I am only missing four states for WAS qrp.... and they are all east coast... --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > From: [hidden email] > To: [hidden email]; [hidden email] > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:41:33 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Your Opinion: The realities of QRP vs. QRO > > Hi Bill > No QRP 160 DXCC here. I rarely even > hear DX on 160. > But I do have QRP WAS on 160m. Must > not be too common, as ARRL couldn't recall > the last time they had issued one. > 73, Bob N6WG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Your Opinion: The realities of QRP vs. QRO > > > > > > > > Gary D Krause wrote: > >> > >> Just as long as we all keep it in perspective and > >> realize that QRP RULES! ;-) > >> > > > > But QRP simply does NOT rule everywhere... > > > > ...for DXing on the low bands (80/160), > > ...for EME or meteor scatter on VHF, > > ...when propagation is marginal or atmospheric QRN is high, > > ...in emergency communications when a life depends on it. > > > > Sure QRP works well on the HF bands when conditions are good...it's a heck > > of a lot of fun to work across the world with a 2 Watt rig in an Altoids > > tin > > and a piece of wire...but please don't make blanket statements about "QRP > > ruling" for many activities...it simply doesn't. > > > > If QRPers want a REAL challenge, try working DXCC on 160m with 5 Watts. > > > > 73, Bill W4ZV (who loves both) > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://n2.nabble.com/Your-Opinion%3A-The-realities-of-QRP-vs.-QRO-tp2429074p2437055.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: Your Opinion: The realities of QRP vs. QRO
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In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
Geez, Bill! Do you actually believe that I think that QRP rules in every
situation? I didn't say that. I guess I shouldn't joke on the reflector. Gary, N7HTS On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:34:53 -0800 (PST) Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Gary D Krause wrote: >> >> Just as long as we all keep it in perspective and >> realize that QRP RULES! ;-) >> > > But QRP simply does NOT rule everywhere... > > ...for DXing on the low bands (80/160), > ...for EME or meteor scatter on VHF, > ...when propagation is marginal or atmospheric QRN is high, > ...in emergency communications when a life depends on it. > > Sure QRP works well on the HF bands when conditions are good...it's a heck > of a lot of fun to work across the world with a 2 Watt rig in an Altoids tin > and a piece of wire...but please don't make blanket statements about "QRP > ruling" for many activities...it simply doesn't. > > If QRPers want a REAL challenge, try working DXCC on 160m with 5 Watts. > > 73, Bill W4ZV (who loves both) > -- > View this message in context: >http://n2.nabble.com/Your-Opinion%3A-The-realities-of-QRP-vs.-QRO-tp2429074p2437055.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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